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Old 05-05-2018, 10:08 AM
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I Like It !
So tired of seeing plastic, polymer, painted , tactical ,semi autos..... ad nauseam .
This just put a smile on my old face and a song in my heart.
Blue steel and custom wood grips... Oh Yes.
I'm going to start saving my nickels and dimes right now !
The "dreaded" lock is a non issue to me....don't see it as a problem at all.
And I totally agree with post #63...only accurate revolvers are interesting
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I'm just glad to see that Smith & Wesson has enough faith in the revolver market, to take a chance and bring it back. With no real hope of either police or military contracts, they're putting their money in the hands of ordinary handgunners.

In this day of plastic semi's, I for one am glad to see it.
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Wonder if the front sight will stand up straight on this'un???????????
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Wonder if the front sight will stand up straight on this'un???????????
From what I have read, this is one of the benefits of the two piece barrel... the shroud can consistently be mounted in the correct position, e.g., front sight vertical. The two piece barrel should allow consistent and correct gaps at the forcing cone as well. [Added: See later post. The Mdl 19 K-Comp has a one-piece barrel]

I haven't read any posts about two piece barrels breaking, cracking, separating, etc., for a long time. I think S&W probably has it down pretty good by now.

I'm glad S&W is continuing to make L frames with one piece barrels though and wonder what the logic/rationale is, in S&W's inner circles, for making both types of barrels. Most of us (on this forum) would probably prefer one piece barrels, but I am working myself towards being open minded on the two piece barrels!

Thank goodness there are still old S&W revolvers out there to show us how they were made in the old days -- but S&W can't going back to those methods of milling, bluing, recessing, pinning, etc., and to not using MIM for certain parts, ever again.
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If revolver sales are down, which I don't believe for a second. It's because of people bitching about how things aren't made the same way anymore and refusing to buy the newer guns. News flash people, times change, so do methods and materials. Smith isn't going to return to pinned barrels and recessed chambers, Colt isn't going to start hand fitting Pythons and Royal Bluing guns again, Ruger isn't going to bring back the Security Six. Sounds like a bunch of old farts arguing about the merits of a Studebaker versus a Packard.
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Why should they change it when the revolver BUYERS buy every one they make? They sure don't seem to stay on the shelves long around here.
You can go shopping for a new "classic" S&W today around town and go home with probably 10 or more of them by the end of the day.

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Now the no lock new J frames, grab one when you see it. It will be gone within a week or less.
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Paladin85020 , nailed it for me. While I do not like the lock, I dislike the lines of the frame even more, I like the fact that N-Frames still retain the classic lines, but I just do not like the fatter lines of the K an L frames. I am sure they are well done , but I still prefer the original.
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Old 05-05-2018, 02:21 PM
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Praise the Lord praise s&w pass the .38 special & the .357 magnum ammo
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Old 05-05-2018, 02:55 PM
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Several posts have been deleted because people either can't be bothered with reading the rules, or can't remember what they say. For you guys, I'll help you out:

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After things settle down a bit on availability,
I suspect the new Model 19 will retail for
around $700.

As CajunBass said, let's just be glad Smith
has faith in the revolver market.

I think a $700 price tag will be attractive.

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I all for the new 19, it should bring down the prices on the older
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I would have guessed the opposite in the case of the 4 inch. Round butt, stainless barrel and IL all go to show they can't duplicate the original."They don't make em like that anymore" just enhances the value of the Model 19
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I would have guessed the opposite in the case of the 4 inch. Round butt, stainless barrel and IL all go to show they can't duplicate the original."They don't make em like that anymore" just enhances the value of the Model 19
I'll bet it has no effect on older (i.e., original) Model 19 prices whatsoever. It's a completely different market as I see it... those who want the real thing vs. those willing to settle for a newly-manufactured replica.
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I certainly don't see this new version of the Model 19 affecting the prices of the older Model 19's. I think it will be people who want a Model 19 size revolver for shooting 357 Magnum without restrictions who will buy this new revolver. I also think bringing this new version to market is a good idea, but it will not significantly change the demand for the originals.
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Thank you Smith & Wesson for reintroducing another
Revolver to Market. I like it.

Collecting; like I always say, the Side Plate "Lock" and
Two Piece Shrouded Barrel are just another phase.
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They won't probably drive down prices but does add
leverage when dealing on a used piece. Buying something
new, untouched, and reliable, usually is always better.

Now, please bring back the "Classic" Stainless Steel
Mountain Gun in 45Colt, 44Mag, and 41Mag.
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I also think bringing this new version to market is a good idea, but it will not significantly change the demand for the originals.
Yeah , some of the pre-lock , pre MIM , 19s I see selling on online auctions go for some pretty amazing prices. I would be interested in hearing how accurate this new 19 is. Some of my most accurate Smiths are my 1990 and newer 686-4s, 66-5 and 629-5.
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Yeah , some of the pre-lock , pre MIM , 19s I see selling on online auctions go for some pretty amazing prices. I would be interested in hearing how accurate this new 19 is. Some of my most accurate Smiths are my 1990 and newer 686-4s, 66-5 and 629-5.
I've never had an opportunity to shoot a two piece barrel gun before, but I've not seen any complaints on Dan Wesson guns and very very few on S&W's - except maybe one loosening up?
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So S&W really does read this forum! Now if they'd only release a classic 2 1/2" bbl.
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I've never had an opportunity to shoot a two piece barrel gun before, but I've not seen any complaints on Dan Wesson guns and very very few on S&W's - except maybe one loosening up?
When I worked for Wackenhut security CPO we were issued the early 2 piece pre-lock Model 64s and frankly, I was amazed at the accuracy!

Softball size group total shot at 25 yds in to 3 yds ALA POST standards Double action with bulk Winchester 158 ball rounds! Very smooth DA pull as well. Almost as if a action job was done.
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I Like It !
So tired of seeing plastic, polymer, painted , tactical ,semi autos..... ad nauseam .
This just put a smile on my old face and a song in my heart.
Blue steel and custom wood grips... Oh Yes.
I'm going to start saving my nickels and dimes right now !
The "dreaded" lock is a non issue to me....don't see it as a problem at all.
And I totally agree with post #63...only accurate revolvers are interesting
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Think this will be available with the 3 T's?? Might make the gougers on some of the gun sites lower their prices On older guns
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Regardless of all these comments....I relish the fine workmanship and quality of my older 19 (and look alike 17). We must understand that the new (improved?)versions are the result of company demands for lower costs in production, material and possibly quality control. Here's to more talk and shooting!
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I've had 3, m19s in 4" in last year, no boxes but near mint. I
let them all go at $750 or less, one on forum last week for
$680 shipped, very nice shape with Patridge front. The only
reason it caught my attention. It didn't stay long, I missed it
while PMed owner. I normally don't do 4" and only blue. Not
everyone is a S&W collector and there are a lot of 19s in the
wood work. No doubt largest part of production over the years
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Darn I should have passed on my old M19-3 4" like new for $300,but guess I can live with it. They do not turn up very often anymore. The new one will fill in the gap for those searching today. I am happy with the old old one. I like the carbon blue guns,they are smoother and hold up better than stainless.
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They should build the "Classic" lines as per the most desired engineering change of the originals; no lock, no frame mounted firing pin, no MIM parts, etc...along with the actual enhancements such as the forcing cone and ball detent in the new K-frames. I would buy one in that case...even if it cost a bit more.
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On the 2 piece barrel thing . A few years ago I had a Dan Wesson , model 15 and it was incredibly accurate . I'm considering another one . I just bought another S&W model 19-5 nickel , 4 " barrel last week . Will have to wait a spell , Regards, Paul
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Darn I should have passed on my old M19-3 4" like new for $300,but guess I can live with it. They do not turn up very often anymore. The new one will fill in the gap for those searching today. I am happy with the old old one. I like the carbon blue guns,they are smoother and hold up better than stainless.
I too, love the carbon steel blued guns... I picked up a near Mint Model 19-4 TH/TT at a gunshow for only $350.

That said, I like the new one w/ lock removed and plugged, and with the PC's Master Revolver Action Job it would be one to for security duty/carry/around the farm/house gun.
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Does anyone know the rationale behind the extra .25" of barrel length on newer Smith and Ruger DA revolvers? Seems like it's only purpose is to make all of my existing holsters obsolete.

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It makes the firearms compatible with Canadian law which requires a 105MM minimum barrel length
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I've never had an opportunity to shoot a two piece barrel gun before, but I've not seen any complaints on Dan Wesson guns and very very few on S&W's - except maybe one loosening up?
Tom,
The Dan Wessons can get loose as well. Back when I used to shoot silhouette, typically the first thing I did was put the wrench on the barrel nut.

Now that the Dan Wesson patents have expired, Smith and Wesson has had the opportunity to give us some amazingly accurate revolvers using the multi-piece, tensioned, barrel design.

One of the first things that shooters comment on when I let them try my 327 TRR8 or 327 JM is how good they make the shooter look

I am looking forward to picking up one of the new Model 19s. Hopefully equipped with a 2 3/4" barrel like the new Model 66 has.

If you make it to Florida, I have plenty of multi-piece, tensioned, barreled Smith and Wessons or Dan Wessons for you to try





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Because they'd rather have a blued professional looking gun that conceals better under a coat rather than a flashy bright pimp's gun.
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Now the no lock new J frames, grab one when you see it. It will be gone within a week or less.
What town? I would love to get one since they are all just sitting unsold. Heck ...I might get two!
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I've been mulling on this since I saw the first post on the Model 19 K-Comp. I'd like to try a revolver with the two piece barrel -- it promises good durability and accuracy. I understand that it makes assembly easier for S&W, and if that keeps costs down, fine. [Added: see later post. The Mdl 19K-Comp has a one piece barrel]

My PC 586 L-Comp has a great trigger and I'd expect the same in a PC 19 K-Comp. I'm surprised the 19 K-Comp doesn't have a moon-clipped cylinder (like the 586 L-Comp and the 640 and 442 Pro models) but that is a feature I don't need.

The Model 19 K-Comp is a handy sized gun and while it is more black than blued, the aesthetics are very good. It could well become a walk-in-the-woods and going-fishing carry gun for me. .357 Magnum is a good caliber for this role.

MIM is moot. IL is moot, too. Bashing is not allowed, but mentioning how to deal with it is okay, I think. I've disabled the locks on my other S&W revolvers while keeping the lock fixture in place and visible. Disabling the lock gives me a small margin of reliability, or the perception of it. Getting in there and making the change, and not messing anything up, gave me a new appreciation for this 100+ year old design. TK Custom sells a plug for the IL hole -- S&W Safety Delete Lock System Replacement Plug - TK Custom - Moonclips & Accessories for Competition Shooters & Sportsmen -- it appears to be the one made by Original Precision -- S&W Lock Delete - ORIGINAL PRECISION -- and I installed one of these in my 686 Plus 3" and am happy with it. I'm kind of ambivalent on the plug idea, overall, but I would install a plug in a 19 K-Comp, if I get one. Black plug in black frame should look okay.

The 19 K-Comp fits a niche. The SCSW 4th Ed says S&W produced a PC Model 19 K-Comp in 1994, so its not a new idea. [Added later: there is also mention in other sources of Mdl 19 K-Comp production in 2005]. We're not privy to their thinking -- we don't know how many they will make, how long they will make them -- and we don't know how well they will sell. But I'm going to start saving up for one. 586 L-Comps seem to be discounted around $200 from their MSRP of $1208 -- so perhaps the 19 K-Comp will be able to be found on the internet for around $900.
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Rover, I think you will find the Carry Comp is a one piece barrel unlike the 4.25". By virtue of the design of the power ported Smith barrels I don't see how a 2 piece barrel would be possible. I would also expect it is cut for moonclips. While it doesn't mention them on Smiths website, it also doesn't mention it for the 586 L-Comp.

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Rover, I think you will find the Carry Comp is a one piece barrel unlike the 4.25". By virtue of the design of the power ported Smith barrels I don't see how a 2 piece barrel would be possible. I would also expect it is cut for moonclips. While it doesn't mention them on Smiths website, it also doesn't mention it for the 586 L-Comp.
The L-Comp was originally (2000) advertised as being cut for moonclips


The F-Comp (built on a 66) is not cut for moonclips


I did not buy a K-Comp and I do not recall off the top of my head.

I would expect the current Model 19 Carry Comp to also not be cut for moonclips.

I can not recall any of the revolvers in the Carry Comp family to have been cut for moonclips. I am positive that the models 60, 640 and 67 were not. I am less sure of the others.
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Bravo, Sir. I couldn't agree more.
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I hope some of the youngins among us buy them because it will help keep the mothership in the revolver business (and in business in general), but it's not for an old fogey like me. I've been spoiled for life by the real thing.

I tried to buy a "Classic" a couple times, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. Why buy an imitation when you can still go out and find the real thing?
We youngins (just turned 30) are keeping them in business and this should help too! Let me offer a little insight as to why any of us are buying pistols like this.

I know that an IL and MIM is a deal breaker for the forum guys but the younger and newer crowd who love wheel guns have previously been interested in purchasing stainless, bead blasted or cerakote "working guns". We're not on the forum talking about how S&W has lost it's way and should only make old guns, we're buying the new Model 66's and 69's and using them! The IL (easily disabled) and MIM (we grew up with modern manufacturing practices) don't matter to us! We're just now doing the same for new Miroku Citori's & Remlins (Non JM Marlins).

We buy these due to availability and the reasonable effort to find them in the cities and metro areas that my generation has gravitated too. We work long or odd hours and our jobs don't offer much in the way of time off to look at pawnshops across the country for unicorn no dash pistols. We find our S&W's on the internet and then it's a done deal. We've beat them up backpacking, fishing, hunting, throwing them around in the car on road trips and haven't though twice about it.

Yeah, the stock new S&W trigger pull sucks but we're also the co-oping and DIY generation who made Youtube what it is today. My friends and I have stones, power custom jigs, etc. to fix that.

Now that we (meaning the upcoming generation) are aging into a point where we're buying houses (much later in life than our baby boomer counter parts), we're getting room for reloading and big gunsafes, the appeal of blued "fancy" guns is starting to set in.

Would I love a perfect P&R Model 19? Of course! But I'd rather drop $900 for a new pistol and custom work than drop $1300 on gunbroker.com for a vintage smith of questionable condition.

I just purchased a Model 57 Modern Classic. It has an internal lock, MIM parts, etc. but I don't care. What was more important was that it was a decent price (low $700's) and it was readily available on gunbroker instead of chasing down leads for a more expensive but vintage N Frame .41 Mag. It's a beautiful new gun that I don't mind shooting or customizing. There is no risk of ruining a collector item when I have the barrel cut down to 5" and put a gold bead front on it or so it'll be the perfect N frame for me.

So there you go, good on S&W for making it and yes we'll buy it and no it won't be the same as your pistol from the 60's. It'll be mine from the time in my life when I could get a sweet new gun and have it altered to match me.

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If revolver sales are down, which I don't believe for a second. It's because of people bitching about how things aren't made the same way anymore and refusing to buy the newer guns. News flash people, times change, so do methods and materials. Smith isn't going to return to pinned barrels and recessed chambers, Colt isn't going to start hand fitting Pythons and Royal Bluing guns again, Ruger isn't going to bring back the Security Six. Sounds like a bunch of old farts arguing about the merits of a Studebaker versus a Packard.
I think most everyone would be just fine if the factory returned to producing the era just after the P&R versions.
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The point is they aren't going to. It doesn't matter what everyone would be happy with. Those days are over and they aren't coming back.
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Let me offer a little insight as to why any of us are buying pistols like this.
Thank you for the "insight"! Unfortunately, you seem to have gotten the impression that I look down on folks buying these new "Classic" revolvers when nothing could be further from the truth. As I said above and reiterate: I hope folks much younger than ancient moi buy lots of them as it will help keep the mothership in the revolver business. Just because they aren't for me personally, don't assume that I think they aren't for anyone. Hardly! Like they say, different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your new "Classic"!
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New Classic Model 19- $826.00 and with the "Lock" ?

thank you, but NO!
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"...Just always wanted a 4" 19/66...."

Me too. Friend and I were discussing that one day in the '70s. In about a month he showed me one. He had sent a round butt 2 1/2" 66 to the factory for a 4" re barrel. Nice. We had a kid in college at the time and I never got around to it, much to my regrets. His made a nice carry gun.

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New Classic Model 19- $826.00 and with the "Lock" ?

thank you, but NO!
You can probably subtract about $100.00 from manufacturer suggested retail. I know my local dealer would.
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You can probably subtract about $100.00 from manufacturer suggested retail. I know my local dealer would.
I paid $745 for a new model 66-8 combat magnum-cheap! The new guns offered will be around the same price with a carry comp added. (Which the pc carry comp will be more expensive) These guns for the prices offered are well worth the money. Ball detent. 2 piece barrels. No force cone defect at 180!
Accuracy has been amazingly remarkable when I've compared it to PC models and pro models. Something about shooting a K frame-i agree! These new barrels are worth it.
And I shoot alot. I'm sure nobody wants to hear this.
And the lock?
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I still don't know what makes it classic. Looks like all the others they have made for the last 20 years.
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More REAL classic 19s for me!
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Always wanted a K Comp and I'll stand in line to get one. Thanks S&W this gun really satisfies my K frame Magnum itch!
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Thumbs down "CLASSIC", WITH A LOCK, COME ON.

I wish anyone that buys one, happiness with it. I could likely buy a good condition original for less $, with better bluing/grips, and NO lock. Forgive me for speed reading, or not reading every post, but I saw no mention of what is mims, or not. The grips did not wow me. + I don't need another 357 That I'm only gonna shoot 38's thru. Good luck if you get one.
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Why would anyone want a S&W Model 19, when they could have a S&W Model 66?
Let's hope the new batch of 19's are better than the 66's. Like I've seen before here on this forum the new 66's had some major QC issues. Canted barrels, rough actions etc. I saw one (screwy 66) at a LGS & that was a deal breaker. If these 19's are better I may dump my problematic GP100/7 & get one!
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I love the recently reintroduced Model 66, and following up with a blue version makes good sense.

The L Frame is wonderful, but I said years ago they should make it in full lug (as they do), and traditional lug (I detest the term “half lug”), or traditional ejector shroud. They should have made the 686 Mountain Gun a standard production item.

With the two-piece barrel, the whole problem of the thin section of barrel beneath at the 6 o’clock point (looking toward the muzzle) has been adequately addressed. I prefer the 158 grain bullet anyway, which means no problem using Magnum ammo in the old 19/66, as it was the short length of bullet combined with the extra hot 1,400 fps 125 grain Magnum round that caused the problem - the short bullet didn’t seal the gap quite long enough thereby allowing the blow-torch effect on that thin section of barrel at the six o’clock point. Apparently, nanoseconds really do make the difference.

In any event, we now have a 19/66 that truly is everything Bill Jordan wanted back in the mid 1950s.

Good show.

PS - that little lock comes right out revealing the true intent of that little hole above the cylinder release - an “oil application port” for that one drop once per year.
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