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Old 05-08-2018, 08:32 PM
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With the two-piece barrel, the whole problem of the thin section of barrel beneath at the 6 o’clock point (looking toward the muzzle) has been adequately addressed.
Not really. They eliminated the need for the 6 o’clock cut on the forcing cone by eliminating the gas bushing. Some late model 66 owners on this forum have complained about the cylinder hanging up due to fouling blasting back into ejector channel. That’s my only apprehension with this set because my range sessions are typically 300 to 400 rounds. Folks on this forum noted problems south of those figures.
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Old 05-09-2018, 05:31 PM
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I have totally enjoyed reading and participating in this excellent exchange of unedited thoughts and opinions! It has taught me more than I expected and made me appreciate more our very well versed members. What I have gained mostly, is enhanced appreciation of my original Model 10, Model 19 and Model 36. The fact that they are all in the S&W Classic Series, but can't be duplicated, ensures I will never part with them!
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I emailed the factory this week and asked about the barrel and moonclips on the Model 19 3" K-Comp. Answer: the Model 19 K-Comp has a one-piece barrel. It is not moon-clipped.
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Here are my pros and cons of the new M-19.

Pros:
Grips look like they don't flare at the bottom as much as old target grips so they should fit my medium/large hands better.

Blueing looks pretty good.

Plus P rated.

Two piece barrel should be very accurate.

Don't care about pinned barrels and prefer non recessed chambers.

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Wood grips are not as pretty as Goncalo Alves but they are acceptable.

The lock on the side is STILL ugly to me, if they put it anywhere else I probably wouldn't mind it as much. I have a bunch of other guns with a key lock and they don't really bother me.

$800+ price tag, I can still by an excellent used M19 for a lot less if I shop hard. If it had a street price of $575 like a GP 100 I could see them selling a lot of them.
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Old 05-09-2018, 09:52 PM
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Not really. They eliminated the need for the 6 o’clock cut on the forcing cone by eliminating the gas bushing. Some late model 66 owners on this forum have complained about the cylinder hanging up due to fouling blasting back into ejector channel. That’s my only apprehension with this set because my range sessions are typically 300 to 400 rounds. Folks on this forum noted problems south of those figures.
None of that fouling caused a barrel shank to crack did it?
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HOO BOY! My first revolver was a 4" 19! I LIKE! AND...that LOCK no longer stands out like a pimple on the Homecoming Queen's nose! Also, it seems reasonably easy to replace with the filler I see mentioned here on a regular basis! Hmmmm...4.25 in? 2 3/4 in.? What's not to like? Decisions, decisions. Me new 4" Match Champ is definootely in peril! Buy one, have Both? BUT...I'm supposed to be reducing the number of my firearms! WOE!

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I have a new 66 with a 2.75” barrel. Great weapon with no problems. I have always been a fan of the 19. I have 2 19-5’s. One with a 4” and one with a 6” barrel. They are 2 of my favorite revolvers.

I am thrilled S&W is coming out with a 19 classic. I have a bunch of the “classic” revolvers. All have been outstanding. Functionally and finish are great. I will probably buy 2 of these new 19’s when they hit the internet for sale.
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The hunt is on. The idea of a new M19 in the box with warranty, ready to go, without necessarily worrying about dinging a "collectable", appeals to me. Sort of like driving a rental Mustang versus a lovingly restored one with family history.
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Somebody mentioned the new 19 would be rated for .38 +P. This is a .357 Magnum, right?
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The S&W website shows grips much darker than the promotional images and says the grips are composed of "custom wood". What is that? It looks like laminate of some sort.
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Old 05-10-2018, 08:01 PM
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Judging by the number of enthusiastic positive responses, it looks like the new Model 19 "Classic" is going to be a great sales success! And believe it or not, this old school curmudgeon is pleased about that.

Time to invest in mothership stock again? Maybe so!
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Somebody mentioned the new 19 would be rated for .38 +P. This is a .357 Magnum, right?
Yes, .357 S&W Magnum.

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The S&W website shows grips much darker than the promotional images and says the grips are composed of "custom wood". What is that? It looks like laminate of some sort.
The grips shown in the articles and on the S&W web page appear to be made by Altamont. They are made of "dyed birch laminates," according to Altamont's web page. Altamont makes other "factory" grips for S&W revolvers, and they look pretty sharp while not being terribly expensive; they generally run $50-60 direct from Altamont.

S&W's web page also notes, in the specs for the Model 19 K-Comp: "Grips: Custom Wood and Synthetic Included," which makes me think they include a second set of soft "rubber" grips in the box.
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Just do something DIFFERENT.

Remove the lock?
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Old 05-11-2018, 03:55 AM
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S&W's web page also notes, in the specs for the Model 19 K-Comp: "Grips: Custom Wood and Synthetic Included," which makes me think they include a second set of soft "rubber" grips in the box.
^^^^what he said. My recent 586 L-Comp, a RB K/L design, included a Hogue-style rubber backless grip and the wedge for installing it. Not my cup of tea.

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It makes the firearms compatible with Canadian law which requires a 105MM minimum barrel length
The Canadian law is 4.2 inches.
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The Canadian law is 4.2 inches.
Thinking that the Canadians wrote the regulations with metric units, but y'all are going on about a whole 0.066" difference or thereabouts.

And neither seems to be anywhere near Canada....

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None of that fouling caused a barrel shank to crack did it?
No. It stopped their guns from firing way faster.
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The Carry Comp 19 from Performance Center looks more interesting to me.

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I'd buy one right now, if it had a scandium frame, titanium cylinder and no lock..
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One hole too many for my taste.
I'm old, and prefer older guns.
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This is exciting news! I got the new 66-8 4.25" when it was released back in '14, and my first new purchase last year was the new 66-8 2.75". Which has me wondering if this new M19 Classic will have the cylinder lock-up of the 4.25" that it sure appears to be based on, or the newer lock-up design of the 2.75"? I like the 2.75" design better from an aesthetic point of view, but don't know that it's necessarily better. In fact, I've been wondering if newer 66-8 4.25" models have converted to the newer lockup design.

Anyone know for sure? I nosed around for some pics, but didn't see anything that gave me a good look with the cylinder open.
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I would be intrested in a 610 if they would come back out with them.
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Want.

I’m a sucker for the Classics. I have a 27-9 and 586-8, and I love them as much as my 1970 production P&R 19-3. I have my 586 and 19 sittting together right now and darn if I can tell a substantial quality difference. S&W does a great job with the Classic line, and I don’t mind the lock but I’d be tickled pink if they started releasing Classic guns without them and even more so if they regressed engineering changes to the 1960s . It could be done with all that CNC machinery. But then I’d go bankrupt from trading guns to get them all. So it’s just as well for me that they don’t because my hubby would KILL me! Mama’s into wheelguns
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Want.

I’m a sucker for the Classics. I have a 27-9 and 586-8, and I love them as much as my 1970 production P&R 19-3. I have my 586 and 19 sittting together right now and darn if I can tell a substantial quality difference. S&W does a great job with the Classic line, and I don’t mind the lock but I’d be tickled pink if they started releasing Classic guns without them and even more so if they regressed engineering changes to the 1960s . It could be done with all that CNC machinery. But then I’d go bankrupt from trading guns to get them all. So it’s just as well for me that they don’t because my hubby would KILL me! Mama’s into wheelguns
It a way, it's probably better that they don't roll everything (and I do mean everything) back to the "good old days" as that smacks of producing "counterfeits" rather than producing an updated, new technology "replica" of the originals. I'm also certain that the cost would be prohibitive, CNC technology notwithstanding. Could you even do it (and do it right) without extensive trained gunsmithing labor? I don't think so.

Folks read me and sometimes think that I am just an old curmudgeon who hates the IL and MIM parts. The honest truth is that I probably own more S&W handguns right now with MIM parts than handguns without... and it doesn't bother me a bit. It's really many other aspects of the mothership's revolver art (and I do consider it "art") that would never motivate me to get really excited over a modern manufacturing technique-produced replica. The truth is that I'd be far more likely to buy a brand new S&W revolver design from the mothership than one trying to be something that it isn't. Example: I still have a Model 442-1 on my Want List. Go figure!
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I hope this doesn't qualify as whining or b1+¢h1ng, but it just strikes me as wrong to simply take an old model number, apply it to a pretty much standard current production "new improved" gun, and call it a "Classic." Kinda like "New Old Fashioned." I guess it's just me, but that seems so very contradictory.

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I am definitely in for one! And folks, don't go by the MSRP. Those will probably be priced close to a hundred dollars less than that once they make it to the dealers shelves. Still pricey, but IMO worth it.
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If they would make it in the famous S&W nickel finish I would probably spring for one. But I'm not too enamored with the present blue job that S&W uses. To me it doesn't look as good as the old carbonia blue they used to use and it also doesn't seem to hold up as well either. I do have a model 27 made around 1991 or so, after they had switched from the carbonia process to a newer process and it doesn't seem to hold up as well.
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Or a L/N frame 357? To me the 19/66 is only suited for the very occasional magnum round.
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Because I like blued revolvers way better than shiny ones?
My thoughts exactly! I’m not a fan of stainless in a wheelgun.
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Not one on gunbroker.

Anyone know when SW is releasing this model?
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With all the back and forth about the
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Not one on gunbroker.

Anyone know when SW is releasing this model?
I would like to know this as well. This is only a guess on my part, but I suspect they may not make it to market until later this year or early next.

I am most definitely buying one!
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This would have made my dad smile. He was bummed when they quit making the model 19. He carried a nickel 19-3 and was one of the few pistols he kept through the years. He'd always pause the few times we went to a gun show together to look at a model 19, and shudder at the price a NIB 19 was going for. I never asked him what he paid for his in the 70s, but I imagine it was a fraction of what they go for now-a-days.

I'd like to add either a more robust .357 and have been eyeing a older supposed newer-fired 686 aways away... and the 66-8 since it came out. I think I'd probably stick with stainless (my dad's, which is suppose is mine now, is nickel) because it have bluing-wear-anxiety. I've got to find something to feed magnums through. I'll throw 1000 wadcutters through the 19 per one 158 gr. magnum (and never... ever anything lighter) for fear of cracking the forcing cone. It's still my dad's gun in my eyes and it'd break my heart to wreck it. I've got a couple if 10s... but that's my only .357.
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S&W has stuck with short throw hammers since standardizing them in 1948. Only the shape of the spur changed then the method of making them.
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Makes me wonder who their target demographic is for these. Many my age won’t own one with a lock, and many, if not most, younger folks seem to prefer semi-autos. With the REAL “classics” still fairly abundant, where do these fit in? Personally, I don’t need any brand new S&W’s, but I believe having them remain in business certainly enhances our hobby, and I’m sure they’ve done their market research, but it would be fun to know exactly what they’re thinking sometimes. Good shootin’,
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Even though revolver's are selling a lot a revolver revival is happening.

We are in the 2nd coming of the 10mm I believe it now that a GP100 10mm 6 shot exists.

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The new 19 will be a good shooter just like the 66-8 is. I gave mine to my son as a wedding present and have regretted it every day since.

Would such a gun ever be so coveted as my Highway Patrolman? Of course not, but the new guns are great shooters and I will buy another one.
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Why would anyone want a S&W Model 19, when they could have a S&W Model 66?
You could have both, like I do.
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Old 05-21-2018, 09:55 AM
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S&W made an L-frame 44 magnum and it is holding up quite well with a steady diet of full magnum loads . I have no doubt the new 19's/66's will do the same with 357 magnum loads .
The down fall of any make of 357 , be it Smith , Ruger , Colt etc is the usage of light weight bullets , 125 gr or less . That is what eats up forcing cones if loaded with max charges of W296-H110 ( ball / spherical powders ) . Use the light weight bullets , but in a 38spl load . For the 357 , the lightest I would recommend is 140 gr . That long cylinder on the 19's / 66's is made ideally for the " Keith swc " , 173 gr ( Lyman 358429) . Seat that bullet on top of 7.0 grs of Unique , 7.5 WSF or 13.5 grs of Alliant 2400 and you have 2 perfect loads for midrange and 1 upper end load . You will wear out before the gun does . Regards, Paul
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I have been watching gunbroker and my online sellers like crazy and they are starting to show up. First one I have seen available was online this afternoon. I bought one. $800 even with shipping and no CC charge. A little high, I know, but as the 19 is one of my all time favorite revolvers I couldn’t help but grab it.

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S&W made an L-frame 44 magnum and it is holding up quite well with a steady diet of full magnum loads . I have no doubt the new 19's/66's will do the same with 357 magnum loads .
The down fall of any make of 357 , be it Smith , Ruger , Colt etc is the usage of light weight bullets , 125 gr or less . That is what eats up forcing cones if loaded with max charges of W296-H110 ( ball / spherical powders ) . Use the light weight bullets , but in a 38spl load . For the 357 , the lightest I would recommend is 140 gr . That long cylinder on the 19's / 66's is made ideally for the " Keith swc " , 173 gr ( Lyman 358429) . Seat that bullet on top of 7.0 grs of Unique , 7.5 WSF or 13.5 grs of Alliant 2400 and you have 2 perfect loads for midrange and 1 upper end load . You will wear out before the gun does . Regards, Paul
..most true but unfortunately if one is carrying a .357 Magnum for personal defense the most effective load is a 125 JHP at 1400 fps...

My first cenerfire handgun was a 1970 Model 19-3. It ate up 10K rounds of .357 Magnum reloads mostly with the cast Lyman/Thompson gas check bullet at 1200 fps...only six rounds of .38 Special were ever fired through the gun. Went back to the factory in 1976 to be tightened up and nickel plated. Was shot another 10K and sold about 1980...so you are right...with a moderate lead bullet load they will outlast most shooters....

Nice to see that S&W is bringing back another updated Classic.

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For the novice the new version is a facsimile. For the guy's in the know - it's a joke! "Ain't nuthin' like the real thing Baby"!

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S&W did a great job on the appearance. The blue looks very nice and it mimics the original pretty well. For those that prefer a new gun, this new “classic” will be the ticket. The new “classic” is a looker and should satisfy many. However, if you can get an original 19 for the same or less money, why wouldn’t you?


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In for the win! Love it and it's trigger is butter smooth.
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In for the win! Love it and it's trigger is butter smooth.
Good to hear as I'm interested in one. Grips look good also.
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In for the win! Love it and it's trigger is butter smooth.
Now that looks nice!
Can't wait till they reach the west coast..

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Interesting thread and responses.

When I was a kid in the early 60's I remember the old duffers who comprised the spit & whittle club at the local Otasco/gun shop complaining loud and long that all the new guns being built by Colt, S&W, Remington etc. were all junk compared to the way "they used to build em" and they for sure wouldn't last a lifetime like the ones built during their younger days. Turns out they were wrong about that.

I'll bet they would be surprised at the prices some collectors are paying for the guns from that time frame now.
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If revolver sales are down, which I don't believe for a second. It's because of people bitching about how things aren't made the same way anymore and refusing to buy the newer guns. News flash people, times change, so do methods and materials. Smith isn't going to return to pinned barrels and recessed chambers, Colt isn't going to start hand fitting Pythons and Royal Bluing guns again, Ruger isn't going to bring back the Security Six. Sounds like a bunch of old farts arguing about the merits of a Studebaker versus a Packard.
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Interesting thread and responses.

When I was a kid in the early 60's I remember the old duffers who comprised the spit & whittle club at the local Otasco/gun shop complaining loud and long that all the new guns being built by Colt, S&W, Remington etc. were all junk compared to the way "they used to build em" and they for sure wouldn't last a lifetime like the ones built during their younger days. Turns out they were wrong about that.

I'll bet they would be surprised at the prices some collectors are paying for the guns from that time frame now.
It was the same in the mid/late 70's when I was looking for my first handgun. "Don't get a new one, they're junk. Look for a nice used one from (insert most any year before whatever year it was at the time, here)."

Even later, after having been out of shooting for a number or years, when I came back I was told "Don't get a 19-4...they're junk. You want one older than that."
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It's always been part of human nature to bad mouth the new, There's a reason it's called progress. Things change either by design or regulation. It's the "Curmudgeon" effect and it's mostly old men who get it.


"Yea, they don't make them like that anymore" is commonly heard. I'll wait to find an old one...etc, etc, etc.
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