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Old 05-04-2018, 03:18 PM
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Old 05-04-2018, 03:22 PM
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Looks pretty awesome! Can't wait to see one in person.
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What’s old shall be new again. Yippie
Will you his be a two barrel or is it a traditional barrel
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Round butt??????????
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Looks pretty nice to me ... possibly meaning that a 2.75 version might be coming in a year or two. The blued finish on the recent S&W's - I've seen two 586's at the LGS - have been very nice.
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Geez!! This new 19, and SIGS new P229 Legion SAO, my wife is going to kill me!!!
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Very nice looking revolver, but must not be tempted.
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They also released a 3" Model 19 Carry Comp. The classic looks to be a round butt, the frame is only exposed about an inch down the grip.
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I hope they do something different

4" round butt

3.25" round butt

Just do something DIFFERENT.

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I would guess the 4.25" is a square

However the newly re-introduced Performance Center 3" Model 19 is a round butt
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Why would anyone want a S&W Model 19, when they could have a S&W Model 66?
Because I like blued revolvers way better than shiny ones?
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The grip frame of the 4.25" is only visible to about the top of the medallions, from there down the grips cover the entire frame. It would make sense for it to be a round butt because of this.
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Looks like a blued model 66-8. Nice!
That one is a RB btw

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American Rifleman | Smith & Wesson Reintroduces Model 19 Revolver

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My first S&W...still my favorite...was losing it's ' sparkle ' so I installed some hand made ( not my hands ) grips on it and it's a brand new gun...thanks to S&W for bringing back a classic...
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It is a round butt UncleEd, and they also released a 3" PC model. I agree completely though, always more whining than appreciation we got anything we wanted.
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I for one love it.
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My M29-10 Classic is a square butt, so it wouldn't surprise me if the M19 was SB as well.

That said, this is a reissue of one of the most common revolvers ever made. Surely they could have done something interesting like a 2", 2.5", 3", or 5" barrel.

With the current craze for 3" guns, it is incomprehensible that they would "introduce" a gun and not offer a 3" barrel. Yes, I saw the 3" PC M19, but that is a staggeringly hideous gun.
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Makes me wonder who their target demographic is for these. Many my age won’t own one with a lock, and many, if not most, younger folks seem to prefer semi-autos. With the REAL “classics” still fairly abundant, where do these fit in? Personally, I don’t need any brand new S&W’s, but I believe having them remain in business certainly enhances our hobby, and I’m sure they’ve done their market research, but it would be fun to know exactly what they’re thinking sometimes. Good shootin’,
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Old 05-04-2018, 05:52 PM
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Why would anyone want a S&W Model 19, when they could have a S&W Model 66?
Not everybody likes stainless and really admire polished blued steel and wood, which looks far better than some cheap bead blasted silver finish.

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OK, let's say Smith announces today that this year
the IL will be gone from all new production
guns.

Then the MIM criticisms or something else
like the bluing today doesn't match that
of the 1950s

What, no recessed chambers (useless
though they are)!!!!!!!

Blah, and blah blah and blah.

Or, maybe Smith needs to drop its
entire revolver line and only produce
those wonderful plastic fantastics.
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S&W did a great job on the appearance. The blue looks very nice and it mimics the original pretty well. For those that prefer a new gun, this new “classic” will be the ticket. The new “classic” is a looker and should satisfy many. However, if you can get an original 19 for the same or less money, why wouldn’t you?
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I hope this doesn't qualify as whining or b1+¢h1ng, but it just strikes me as wrong to simply take an old model number, apply it to a pretty much standard current production "new improved" gun, and call it a "Classic." Kinda like "New Old Fashioned." I guess it's just me, but that seems so very contradictory.

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Hope they release a 2.75" barrel model. May have to have one. Love my 69 with the short barrel and keep thinking about a 66 to match it. A blued 19 though... sure!
Don't worry about the IL. When I shoot them I only see the sights anyway.
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Not whining about a square butt.....just always wanted a round butt 4" 19/66.... missed out when they all went round butt in 1995/96........

Got a factory round but 4" 586 ...... nice .... but too big to conceal carry.

Got the square butt 4" guns covered but none had the serial # in the right place to round butt one.

Stuck with my 3" round butt 66s ...I guess......
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The Carry Comp 19 from Performance Center looks more interesting to me.

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The Model 19 K-Comp looks great -- like a baby 586 L-Comp. I'll bet it even has the problem the 586 L-Comp has -- the Tritium sight vial is very small and thus difficult to see. But that doesn't stop the 586 L-Comp from being a great gun, and I think the Carry Comp 19 will be great too. And, a bit smaller, it will be easier to carry.

I have a 586 L-Comp -- from the first batch of 200 -- and it is superb. It is far and away my most accurately shooting gun. It is like a small rifle.

As for the Model 19 K-Comp, there are tons of grip styles for K/L frames if the smallish Altamonts don't work for the shooter. I have VZ G-10's on my 586 L-Comp, for example, to give me a little more purchase.

Why do I have any semi-autos around here? I should sell two of them and order a Model 19 K-Comp.
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I paid attention when S&W brought out other “Classic” guns. The 29 and 27 seem closer to the originals. I wondered what would happen to the pricing of the originals. Looks like no impact as far as I can tell. In fact, the prices have continued Northbound. The Classic 19 has a two piece barrel. And isn’t quite as close to the original. I’m guessing the old guns will become even more valuable. I wouldn’t mind having the new model to carry. I’d rather have it confiscated as evidence instead of one of my “old” 19’s or 66’s. In the rare event of me using it. If it got nicked or scratched I wouldn’t feel nearly as bad. Any K is a great gun to shoot. I may buy the 3 inch for myself....

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I paid attention when S&W brought out other “Classic” guns. The 29 and 27 seem closer to the originals. I wondered what would happen to the pricing of the originals. Looks like no impact as far as I can tell. In fact, the prices have continued Northbound. The Classic 19 has a two piece barrel. And isn’t quite as close to the original. I’m guessing the old guns will become even more valuable. I wouldn’t mind having the new model to carry. I’d rather have it confiscated as evidence instead of one of my “old” 19’s or 66’s. In the rare event of me using it. If it got nicked or scratched I wouldn’t feel nearly as bad. Any K is a great gun to shoot. I may buy the 3 inch for myself....
Where did you get the two piece barrel info from?
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Stainless barrel? Grips that look like plain pressed sawdust? Narrow trigger and hammer, both MIM? Check out the locking bolt recess on the first charge hole past the hammer. It has the dreaded shallow, incomplete ramp scallop cut that leads to bolt bounce and deformity of the locking recesses. It's already happened on the second charge hole out of battery on a brand new photo op gun. Hump backed frame to fit in the IL? Dog leg cylinder stop? Scrape or scratch in the bluing on the left side of the trigger guard (maybe glare)? My limited experience with newer Smiths with EDM cut barrels and MIM lock parts is they are fantastic shooters, better than equivalent old Smiths, but the aesthetics just aren't there. If Smiths had always looked like this we would be on a Colt forum.
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The info provided indicates the barrel is stainless which I would guess means it's a 2 piece barrel. Well, at least it's something for those that have always wanted one.
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Makes me wonder who their target demographic is for these. Many my age won’t own one with a lock, and many, if not most, younger folks seem to prefer semi-autos. With the REAL “classics” still fairly abundant, where do these fit in? Personally, I don’t need any brand new S&W’s, but I believe having them remain in business certainly enhances our hobby, and I’m sure they’ve done their market research, but it would be fun to know exactly what they’re thinking sometimes. Good shootin’,
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IMO the P&R Model 19 is worth $100 more today.
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Where did you get the two piece barrel info from?
Smith said the barrel is made of stainless and the rest of the gun is carbon. Then there is the pic in the link below which shows identical construction to the new 66.

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My thoughts exactly.
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Great move. I hope it drives down the prices on the original Model 19's.
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I think you can see the end of the barrel, in front of the edge of the shroud, at the muzzle, in the one photo. So it appears to be a two piece barrel. [Added later: the Model 19 is two-piece, the Model 19 K-Comp is one-piece].

Which is an idea that takes getting used to, although S&W has been making them since at least 2005 (Mdl 619 and 620). It might be time to accept this feature, which is also used in the new Mdl 66.
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While my old ones look more like genuine classics, the new design features introduced in the 66-8 cured the flaw that took down the K-frame .357 line. Unlike our lovely old 19s, this one can shoot 125 grain magnums all day long and both days on weekends without worrying about its forcing cone.

Oddly I never have owned a 19 with barrel under 6”. After these have been on the market long enough for used ones to be available I might buy a used one. It is safe to say the price will be way below equivalent condition old 19s. I bought an apparently unfired NIB modern Model 10 for what a Bud’s police surplus older 10 would have cost. Believe it or not, my modern 10’s lock hole is not lined with Great White Shark teeth and does not bite off my thumb. I expect these new 19s will also shoot very well.
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While my old ones look more like genuine classics, the new design features introduced in the 66-8 cured the flaw that took down the K-frame .357 line. Unlike our lovely old 19s, this one can shoot 125 grain magnums all day long and both days on weekends without worrying about its forcing cone.
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I think you can see the end of the barrel, in front of the edge of the shroud, at the muzzle, in the one photo. So it appears to be a two piece barrel.

Which is an idea that takes getting used to, although S&W has been making them since at least 2005 (Mdl 619 and 620). It might be time to accept this feature, which is also used in the new Mdl 66.
Yep, and I'll tell you my 620 is by far and away the best shooting revolver in my gun safes. Blows all the 29's, 28's, 27's,19's, 65's so on and so forth clean out of the water. It's by no means the prettiest revolver, but it's accuracy earned it the job of testing all my .38/.357 handloads.
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New Model 19 Classic pros

1- Comes with Smith’s warranty
2- No more cracked forcing cones
3- No stress shooting, if you scratch stocks , wear the blue finish who cares
4- Two piece barrel design
5- Better cylinder locking system
6- New , you know the history, no worries about how previous owner abused it.

New Model 19 Classic Cons

1- Not a Classic
2- No forged parts
3- No pinned barrel
4- No recessed cylinder
5-Has the lock
6- New process bluing and Not so nice stocks
7- Will never be a Classic
I think it’s a win for everyone gives you the choice of owning both old and new and being able to enjoy both.
I love old muscle cars ,Classic Mustangs both Shelby’s and Boss series are my favorite. You can now own both a Classic from the 60’s -70 golden era or the new model Shelby’s and Bosses.The pros and cons are similar to that of the Smith and Wesson new “Classic “ line of revolvers . Choice of old vs new. These are the good old days in that regard.

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I hope some of the youngins among us buy them because it will help keep the mothership in the revolver business (and in business in general), but it's not for an old fogey like me. I've been spoiled for life by the real thing.

I tried to buy a "Classic" a couple times, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. Why buy an imitation when you can still go out and find the real thing?
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Smith said the barrel is made of stainless and the rest of the gun is carbon. Then there is the pic in the link below which shows identical construction to the new 66.

American Rifleman | Smith & Wesson Reintroduces Model 19 Revolver
I can't find that tidbit.

While the two piece barrel might look ugly, smith has been producing them since 05-06ish (619 and 620 models) and are well noted for their accuracy.
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I can't find that tidbit.

While the two piece barrel might look ugly, smith has been producing them since 05-06ish (619 and 620 models) and are well noted for their accuracy.
The spec's on the S&W site say carbon steel frame , stainless steel barrel. I think it's a safe bet it's 2 piece barrel like the new 66-8.
My 69 with the 2 piece, 2.75" barrel is very accurate and surprised me with shrinking groups as I stepped up the velocity. It's a great shooting revolver! Like it so much it's my avatar.
I will be greatly tempted when (I don't think it's a matter of "if") the 19 is released with the 2.75" barrel.
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I like the idea of this classic. If I want to carry my M-19 working armed security I can carry the Classic M-19 w/ lock removed and not worry about having my P&R 19-4 taken due to a shooting investigation, holster wear, or minor finish issues from duty carrying. And CCW as well with the 2 3/4 in if they offer it.
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I can't find that tidbit.

While the two piece barrel might look ugly, smith has been producing them since 05-06ish (619 and 620 models) and are well noted for their accuracy.
no kidding. see my post #63.
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no kidding. see my post #63.
LOL. That's what I get for not reading.
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