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Cracked frame on my 327 NG (update 9/4 - it’s back!)
After a range session today that included my beloved 327 NG, I noticed what is definitely a crack above and in front of the forcing cone. Pics ......
I’ve never sent a gun back to the mother ship but will obviously be calling them in the am. Anyone else ever seen this in this specific location? Stressing since they’ve been out of production for some time and wonder about replacement.
Edit to add, less than 1,000 rounds, 90% 38 Sp, no hand loads.
UPDATE 9/4, Got it back today and was told that it was a “surface, manufacturing blemish” and was thoroughly inspected and test fired. Hope this helps for those with similar issues.
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Would an M&P frame be the same? Meant to say M&P R8.
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Tough luck.
Believe the 327 TRR8 frame may be the same.
I think these may still be in production.
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Wow, that sucks! I'm glad you were not harmed. Hopefully they can just fit the barrel onto an R8 frame.
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After sending S&W some pics this am, it's heading back to the Mother Ship. We'll see ......
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327s are still in production.
The frames are all the same with the exception of the 2" pug nosed fixed sight
They will just swap out the frames
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327s are still in production.
The frames are all the same with the exception of the 2" pug nosed fixed sight
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How many rounds and what loads are you shooting through it?
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How many rounds and what loads are you shooting through it?
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As mentioned in my post, less than 1,000 rounds, mostly 38 Special, no hand loads. All store bought ammo.
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I see a line in the finish. Not unlike others I've seen in various other S&Ws. But no crack. Usual location would be underneath the barrel.
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I see a line in the finish. Not unlike others I've seen in various other S&Ws. But no crack. Usual location would be underneath the barrel.
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It looks like a crack to me and not a line in the finish. And I know that KalamazooKid has several S&W revolvers and figure he would know to check and see if it's a crack with something fine and sharp, like a knife blade to see if it's a mark or a scratch. I do agree that it is an unusual position for a crack though.
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It looks like a crack to me and not a line in the finish. And I know that KalamazooKid has several S&W revolvers and figure he would know to check and see if it's a crack with something fine and sharp, like a knife blade to see if it's a mark or a scratch. I do agree that it is an unusual position for a crack though.
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I've successfully used a bit of oil to see if a crack was indeed a crack; along with some "hand only" pressure flexing back and forth on the barrel and frame while looking at the oil filled crack you can certainly tell if the crack weeps or not. Also, I've successfully used a set of spark club gappers to check a crack too as they are paper thin in their smallest sleeves.
OP, what was/were the brand, weight of projectile, and Ft-lbs manufacturer claims for the hottest factory loads that you shot thru her? I've seen the results of "Ultramax" brand grenade quite a few good working semi-autos and a couple revolvers...
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OP, what was/were the brand, weight of projectile, and Ft-lbs manufacturer claims for the hottest factory loads that you shot thru her? I've seen the results of "Ultramax" brand grenade quite a few good working semi-autos and a couple revolvers...
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Trust me, it’s a crack.
Of the 1,000 or so rounds, probably 85-90% have been factory 38 Sp, the balance a mix of my carry loads - Speer GD or Hornady XTP. All weighing in at 158 gr.
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Wow, I hope that doesn't happen to me with my S&W model 357 Night Guard in 41 magnum.
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Your cracked frame locks simialar to the casting flaw on my 325NG. None of my other Night Guards has anything to it's degree. Fortunately it hasn't turned into a crack.
Hope they get your's fixed quickly.
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WOW BLUEDOT37, that looks like it could create a stress riser for a crack to form on. I would think that would be a good pic to send to S&W and see if they would want to change that frame out also.
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It went back to S&W after I bought it to have the factory defective cylinder (hard extraction) replaced. Didn't really think much of it at the time. Since then it's had a bunch of 45 Supers shot thru it so hopefully it's just cosmetic & sound materially. Hope, hope. 
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Man, that must have been a Monday or Friday gun! 
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A Hump Day gun, Oct. 08, 2008, a Wednesday. 
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Usually it's a polishing flaw, caused by the abrupt transition from the top strap flat to the barrel thread reinforcing ring. But I am content to await the verdict from S&W.
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A Hump Day gun, Oct. 08, 2008, a Wednesday.
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Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays are out. Tuesdays and Thursdays still good, except for three-day weekends. Or if it was the one sunny day of the week, or if the weather was bad.
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Just curious as to how that flame shield (or whatever its called) is mounted in the top strap, anyone know ?
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Your cracked frame locks simialar to the casting flaw on my 325NG. None of my other Night Guards has anything to it's degree. Fortunately it hasn't turned into a crack.
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Wow BlueDot, that DOES look very similar. All I know is that I can stick a pin in it (not quite to where it would stay stuck for a pic) and while I never noticed it before, that doesn't mean it hasn't been there all along. Though I doubt it as I'm pretty anal about cleaning my guns.
I also know that S&W sent the return authorization within an hour of sending them 6 pics of it. So, whether it needs replacing or not, at least I'll be able to shoot with confidence - eventually.
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Just curious as to how that flame shield (or whatever its called) is mounted in the top strap, anyone know ?
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It is trapped in the little gap between top strap and barrel extension
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Good cuz I'm not happy with the duct tape. Just looks odd.
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"Your cracked frame locks simialar to the casting flaw on my 325NG"
I didn't know that S&W cast any of their frames.
But, the number of things I don't know is quite staggering.
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Have you watched the commercials for this stuff ?
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Nope, don't use the flexing glue, use this.
According to the commercials, it'll glue anything together. Might want to be careful about getting it on your fingers. :-D
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I can just see the Gorila Glue comercial ,the gorilla comes out and Kalamazookid pops one in him looks at the gun and says yep still holdin.Sorry about the crack or flaw in your gun but this thread has turned funny thanks guys needed a little humor this AM. Y'all some funny people ,keep us posted about what they decide about your gun. It would be funny if they slapped some flex tape on it sent it back to you and made a u tube video of your reaction .
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Kalamazookid, did you get this back from the Mothership? Curious about how much missing time it has experienced? How long did the watch stop for?
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No I have not gotten any word yet. I did call a couple of weeks ago but they were just coming off the two week break. So I wait .....
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Wow! I love my 327 NG and to see your frame cracked, oh no.
So I checked my 327 NG and it is cracked on both sides, in the same place! I'll be calling S&W in the morning. I checked my 325pd and it's fine. I hope S&W will take care of us. Everyone with a scandium revolver check for cracks. This is not good.
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No I have not gotten any word yet. I did call a couple of weeks ago but they were just coming off the two week break. So I wait .....
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That blows. I sent my 327 TRR8 back last week. Didn't even shoot it. Made it home and back it went. Flame/Blast shield hit the cylinder on the three test fired chambers. It would clear under cycling, but dinged it under fire. The darn thing was bent and could be shifted. I was hoping they were moving a little faster than that.
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That blows. I sent my 327 TRR8 back last week. Didn't even shoot it. Made it home and back it went. Flame/Blast shield hit the cylinder on the three test fired chambers. It would clear under cycling, but dinged it under fire. The darn thing was bent and could be shifted. I was hoping they were moving a little faster than that.
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Saw that thread, sucks. Coming off the two week break creates a backlog I’m sure. We wait .....
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Interesting thread, always wondered what they do with when a frame cracks. Did you buy it new? Larry
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Thanks for the heads up. I have a couple of customers that have thousands of rounds through their NG's. I will have them checked.
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I see a line in the finish. Not unlike others I've seen in various other S&Ws. But no crack. Usual location would be underneath the barrel.
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Turns out you're absolutely correct, however it would catch a pin when I brushed it across so it was more than just a line. Either way, I'm glad I sent it in just to be confident in shooting ...... or not. 
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Dang, Kid, I just found your thread.
That outcome is a bit hard to swallow.
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Me, too. I might suggest limiting the gun to lower pressure ammo, but that is not easy with .357. Of course, .38s are an option, but the gun is a .357... That's the way I look at things...
Me, I would pack up the gun and sell it, but YMMV. Too many questions for me despite the factory's explanation. Wish you well!
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Me, too. I might suggest limiting the gun to lower pressure ammo, but that is not easy with .357. Of course, .38s are an option, but the gun is a .357... That's the way I look at things...
Me, I would pack up the gun and sell it, but YMMV. Too many questions for me despite the factory's explanation. Wish you well!
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That's like suggesting I limit my Corvette to 2K RPMs (IF I owned one that is). Coupled with Cowboy Bob's post above .... I'm conflicted. This is my "baby" and would never sell it - especially if I thought there was a defect. But also not thrilled with the prospect of reducing it to a "38 Special target gun".
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Update on my 327NG. My 327 was cracked on both side in the same place. I send it back to S&W and today they said that they will replace it. The 327NG is no longer made, so my choices were a 686 or a 329 4". I took the 329 and will use 44 spl. in it or trade it. I'm very happy with the customer service at S&W.
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The problem I'm struggling with is that I just don't feel my 327 is 100% (even if it's 98%, I don't like it), especially since they're replacing others with, admittedly, worse defects. This is/was my nightstand companion - a pretty important part of my arsenal. Well **** ......
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Originally Posted by fisco
Update on my 327NG ...they said that they will replace it.
The 327NG is no longer made, so my choices were a 686 or a 329 4".
I took the 329 and will use 44 spl. in it or trade it.
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Wonder why they didn't offer you a 327TRR8 or 327 M&P-R8 ??
Good to hear they're going to take care of it.
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Location: Oregon
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Originally Posted by BLUEDOT37
Wonder why they didn't offer you a 327TRR8 or 327 M&P-R8 ??
Good to hear they're going to take care of it.
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I tried to get a 2" 327, but it's a Performance Ctr. gun, no way. They only offered the 686 or 329PD and I'm ok with that. I have other .357 mag Smiths, the 65LS and 3" 66-4 top the list. The rep said no other 327 models were available now. The 329PD should be ok loaded with 44spl., but 44mag in a 25oz. revolver, no way-pain. Sorry, I'm a wimp. Maybe with Hogue 500 S&W grips and Buffalo Bores reduced recoil 44mag-maybe. I think I'll stay with 44spl. and let my shooting buddies try it with the mag. loads.
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