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hello i buy a smith & wesson with cannon ventilate, the barrel is a smith & wesson, i would like to have information on the amount of manufacture of this revolver,

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Take the grips off and read the serial number off the bottom of the grip frame.

Open the cylinder and read the model and dash number on the frame under where the barrel comes thru the frame. Ignore any other markings on the yoke.

What is the serial number, model number, and dash number?

Show pictures of the markings on both sides of the barrel.

Knowing this we can better help you.
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Better pictures of the barrel and markings will help, too.
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I've never seen a 686 with a ventilated rib before. I wonder if someone made a Smolt with a Python barrel or if someone milled the slots in a 686 barrel. Very interesting.
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This will be an interesting and educational thread. Welcome to the forum from North Dakota
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Mr. Administrator apologize for the mistake I made, this weapon is a no, there is no purchase of planned it is a mistake translator,

I post other photos here who can give me more information,

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It's interesting that the barrel is marked Smith & Wesson. The stock 686 barrel does not have, IMO, the "rib" material above the bore to be safely milled out to create a vent rib; nor is it a Python barrel with a Smith & Wesson roll mark.. So where did the barrel come from ?? Someone should be able to solve the mystery
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Compare the barrel on my stock 686, the rib is the same thickness, someone with enough machining finesse can do the work. The barrel rib could have been widened when vents were machined in.

An example of that kind of work is the vent rib I had machined into a 5.5" M41 barrel by E.W. Kovachic Technologies.

The font on barrel roll marks of the OP's gun looks correct for a S&W barrel, they match mine. The bolt pin position and the weep hole on the underside of the barrel lug all look S&W.

What's intriguing to me is the military "flaming bomb" proof marks... anyone recognize them?




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I'm pretty sure that is a S&W factory barrel that someone has made into a Python - like vent rib barrel. That one looks better than the new S&W version.
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What's intriguing to me is the military "flaming bomb" proof marks... anyone recognize them?
IIRC, that's the Liege, Belgium proof stamp.
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Compare the barrel on my stock 686, the rib is the same thickness, someone with enough machining finesse can do the work. The barrel rib could have been widened when vents were machined in.

An example of that kind of work is the vent rib I had machined into a 5.5" M41 barrel by E.W. Kovachic Technologies.

The font on barrel roll marks of the OP's gun looks correct for a S&W barrel, they match mine. The bolt pin position and the weep hole on the underside of the barrel lug all look S&W.

What's intriguing to me is the military "flaming bomb" proof marks... anyone recognize them?




The machining of the vent rib would, in fact, require some real skill. If viewed from the bore of my stock 686 barrel, the vents as shown would have been cut perilously close to the bore
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Keep in mind that S&W did make some entirely different models for export and not sold in the US. Do not know if this is one. Needs a letter.
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That is actually fairly easy for someone with the right tools and skills. I could do it with no problems.
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The "flaming bomb" is indeed the Liege proof house stamping.
The underlined L means that it was proofed there in 1990.
The Y with a star above is the "signature" of the proofer.

As for the other stamps, I don't know.
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The "brick crown" in picture 4 seems to be a St. Etienne, France proof mark. :

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Got the pop corn popped, can't wait to see how this one works out. Looked like a Smython, but sounds like that is off the table. Sure looks nice regardless of it's DNA.
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That is actually fairly easy for someone with the right tools and skills. I could do it with no problems.
The cuts could be made with a mill no problem. You would have to square the ends up with a small file safed on the flats. I don't think they would be much if any closer to the bore than the sides of the barrel seeing as how the rib is raised up from that profile. Look at those cuts compared to the top of ejector rod shroud cut. Why is anothe question, but hey if it made some one happy fine.

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An example of that kind of work is the vent rib I had machined into a 5.5" M41 barrel by E.W. Kovachic Technologies.
For inquiring minds with a M41: EWK Arms

I'm going to get more info, that 'vented' M41 barrel is 9 shades of cool!
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The "flaming bomb" is indeed the Liege proof house stamping.
The underlined L means that it was proofed there in 1990.
The Y with a star above is the "signature" of the proofer.

As for the other stamps, I don't know.

Thanks for that info... not to thread steal, but the OP would probably be interested in the answer to this question, would the proofing have been a requirement as an import selling in the EU?
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There is a requirement for proofing in some European countries, but not all.
For instance, my native Norway have no such requirement.

For example, guns imported directly from the US to Norway bear no proof marks at all, but there has been significant side-import of especially S&W revolvers from Germany over the years and they are all proofed (Liege stamps), as I know this to be required before any gun can be sold on the German market.

Proofing is not just for imports, even German made guns get proofed, although usually with German stamps.
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Based on the BEW serial number prefix, the gun left the factory in Springfield, Mass., in ..…
March - April 1990.
In my opinion, the gun appears to be a standard production Model 686-3 Distinguished Combat Magnum with a standard barrel that was modified aftermarket. The gun also looks like it was polished.

The 6-inch barrel would make it a product code 104224, if it had a white outline rear sight. The hammer and trigger are not stainless steel, they are carbon steel with a surface treatment called "flashed chrome".

The grips are known as "Combat Stocks" and are highly desirable and collectable, and no longer made. The grips alone can sell for $250 in the USA.

The proofs and markings look to be fairly typical of a gun imported into the European Union. Most seem to go to Belgium first for processing, then move about to distributors internally within the EU.

barthelemot, did it come to you in the original factory box?
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Hello
Thank you for all his information, Sir
No, I don't have the original box,
A Belgian police officer ordered this gun on 04.28.1990 to Akah France
Akah France importer has been closed for 13 years

Thank you very much

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There is a requirement for proofing in some European countries, but not all.
For instance, my native Norway have no such requirement.

For example, guns imported directly from the US to Norway bear no proof marks at all, but there has been significant side-import of especially S&W revolvers from Germany over the years and they are all proofed (Liege stamps), as I know this to be required before any gun can be sold on the German market.

Proofing is not just for imports, even German made guns get proofed, although usually with German stamps.

Swiss did not proof or stamp guns they imported, but I have a 629-2 Classic Hunter here with German proof marks on the barrel, cylinder and crane, but nothing from Belgium. Was probably sold new by Engels and later imported into Switzerland.





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Based on the BEW serial number prefix, the gun left the factory in Springfield, Mass., in ..…
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In my opinion, the gun appears to be a standard production Model 686-3 Distinguished Combat Magnum with a standard barrel that was modified aftermarket. The gun also looks like it was polished.



The 6-inch barrel would make it a product code 104224, if it had a white outline rear sight. The hammer and trigger are not stainless steel, they are carbon steel with a surface treatment called "flashed chrome".



The grips are known as "Combat Stocks" and are highly desirable and collectable, and no longer made. The grips alone can sell for $250 in the USA.



The proofs and markings look to be fairly typical of a gun imported into the European Union. Most seem to go to Belgium first for processing, then move about to distributors internally within the EU.



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Thank you for all his information, Sir

No, I don't have the original box,

A Belgian police officer ordered this gun on 04.28.1990 to Akah France

Akah France importer has been closed for 13 years



Thank you very much

If this gun could talk... So imported new in Belgium, then France, likely as a stock 6 inch 686-3 with target stocks. Then (tastefully imo) customised with a total polishing, milling the barrel Python style and adding S&W original combat stocks. I like it.

Seems AKAH France still exists today

AKAH - Albrecht Kind GmbH

Belle arme en tout cas, et probablement unique en son genre. Félicitations.

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That’s a very nice gun and this is a very interesting thread. Nice to hear from so many international members.
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That is a very nice looking 686, barthelemot. I generally favor a N frame Smith & Wesson over an L frame like your 686, but that is a very nice looking gun and I wouldn't mind owning one like yours. The ventilated rib someone milled on your barrel really makes that gun look good. I don't know why S&W doesn't offer a model such as that from them directly, without having to get the rib slots milled like someone did with yours.
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First shot at the club at 82 feet, 12 bullets Caliber 38 a real wonder and 6 bullets caliber 357 what a nice sound
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Nice to see you out and enjoying that piece!
I like it very much.
And welcome to the Forum from Pennsylvania!
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That's a very nice Model 686 with some precision milling to create the ventilated rib barrel. I like it!
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