This time they've gone too far

stu1ritter · #51 08-13-2018, 05:41 PM

To me, that revolver is the same as modern art, I just don't get it, but that's just me. Probably showing my age.

Stu

PALADIN85020 · #52 08-13-2018, 05:41 PM

You call that a revolver? THESE are revolvers.

John

Wise_A · #53 08-13-2018, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DonD

I hardly think this is a terrible looking revolver and personally I have no issues with unfuted cylinders.

I hardly think the greater mass of the cylinder makes much of a difference in trigger pull.

I've never understood why people complain about the mass of the cylinder in relation to trigger pull. I mean, just look at the thing. When one side is going up, the other side is going down. Why the hell would increasing the mass by small amounts actually translate to increased effort?

I mean, they made this thing, once.

Falkirk Wheel - Wikipedia

Why is this thing so crazy, besides the obvious?

Each half carries 500 tons of water, plus 50 tons for the container itself. Archimedes' principle means that it doesn't matter whether there's a boat in it or not, since objects displace their own weight in water.

Each half-turn of this combined 1100-ton mass requires just 1.5 kWh of power. For reference, this is amount of electricity would boil about eight kettles of water.

oink · #54 08-13-2018, 06:18 PM

Personally I think the new gun looks very unappealing. However, if they sell, more power to them.

Tom S. · #55 08-13-2018, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by muddocktor

Tom S, does that gun have the quick change front sight system like my 629-3 Classic and 627 Pro have? If so, then changing that out doesn't take but a minute to something you want them. And the ventilated rib works for me too.

The ventilated rib would look better to me though if it were used with a traditional barrel design such as the model 27 has. The flat sided barrel just doesn't appeal to me like the old design does and I bet a ventilated rib on a model 27 would look mega cool. The unfluted cylinder and the fancy dancy cylinder release don't make a difference for me, but I can see how the cylinder release might help someone that is suffering with arthritis.

Yes, it is the "quick change", though mine seems to be a bit tight and requires a bit of effort.

Birdgun · #56 08-13-2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Wise_A

I've never understood why people complain about the mass of the cylinder in relation to trigger pull. I mean, just look at the thing. When one side is going up, the other side is going down. Why the hell would increasing the mass by small amounts actually translate to increased effort?

I mean, they made this thing, once.

Falkirk Wheel - Wikipedia

Why is this thing so crazy, besides the obvious?

Each half carries 500 tons of water, plus 50 tons for the container itself. Archimedes' principle means that it doesn't matter whether there's a boat in it or not, since objects displace their own weight in water.

Each half-turn of this combined 1100-ton mass requires just 1.5 kWh of power. For reference, this is amount of electricity would boil about eight kettles of water.

There is this thing called Moment of Inertia.

shocker · #57 08-13-2018, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PALADIN85020

You call that a revolver? THESE are revolvers.

John

This is a revolver.

Wise_A · #58 08-13-2018, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Birdgun

There is this thing called Moment of Inertia.

And when it comes to fluting a cylinder or not, it's minuscule.

jtcarm · #59 08-13-2018, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Wise_A

And when it comes to fluting a cylinder or not, it's minuscule.

It’s not just the trigger pull. See S&Wlowegan’s response further up the thread.

Wise_A · #60 08-14-2018, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Wise_A

I've never understood why people complain about the mass of the cylinder in relation to trigger pull.

It's like I wasn't even addressing legitimate drawbacks to unfluted cylinders, and was strictly pointing out where people were being a little irrational. But hey, I like guns, and I'm fairly annoyed by the trends of "Guns must be optimized for X" and "Guns made today suck". So I'll play ball.

The action revolver market is really small compared to the revolver market in general, which is already pretty teensy compared to the handgun market. Of that itsy-bitsy market of action revolver shooters, even fewer are likely to shoot enough that the additional wear on the cylinder stop slot is a legitimate concern. And of that small number of shooters, how many of them are going to shell out Performance Center money instead of buying a standard model and having it tuned to their liking?

Not a lot, I'm thinking.

But there are way more people who'll spend extra money to get an unfluted cylinder because they think it looks cool, and that's fine. If you want to piss and moan about how the marketing says it's "made for competition" or sumsuch, take a pill and relax. It's marketing. It's written to sell guns. They're not going to tell people that their high-dollar, optioned-out revolver "looks cool, but isn't much better than a standard model in practical terms".

Instead, maybe just be happy there are still two companies with complete lineups of decent revolvers.

Besides, forget the unfluted cylinder. The ventilated rib with the partial ejector rod shroud is homely as ****.

El Biblioitecario · #61 08-14-2018, 11:34 AM

My guess is the explanation has nothing to do with aesthetics, but that it is cheaper to manufacture a cylinder without running it through a flutemaker.

500SNW · #62 08-14-2018, 04:54 PM

The unfluted cylinder doesn't bother me a bit. What I do find hideously ugly are the tapered underlugs on some of the PC revolvers. I'll take a full lug and I'll settle for a half lug...but forget the tapered.