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Old 08-24-2018, 09:11 PM
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I say let them fix it and give it a chance.
Well, that's what I've now done, of course. Dropped it off at FedEx this afternoon. We'll see if it comes back 100% fixed or if I get the "okay, try it now" treatment (or the "couldn't duplicate it" treatment). Can't say that I'm super optimistic about it. I hope the mothership proves me wrong.

For the record, I do own a bunch of older all steel (or all SS) j-frames in the collection... but they are all too heavy and/or too valuable to carry (hence, the airweight 442-1).
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You think a steel J frame is too heavy to carry? I guess maybe in the pocket if that's what you mean. But I wouldn't think so in an IWB rig. Or OWB. I carried my Detective Special for quite a while and it's heavier than a steel J frame. And it was not a burden. But IWB.
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I've read a few posts about gun owners sending out their firearms to the repair shop and still having problems with the gun. I'm assuming that theses situations are few and far between.

I've also read of owner's that have sent out their guns and the firearms were repaired to their satisfaction. I sent out a Taurus pistol for warranty work years ago and they repaired the issue to my satisfaction.

I have not been able to get out to the range to test my recently repaired Model 638 but I am optomistic the accuracy issues I was having has been resolved. S&W did include a test firing form that indicates it passed inspection.


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Old 08-25-2018, 02:51 AM
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You think a steel J frame is too heavy to carry? I guess maybe in the pocket if that's what you mean. But I wouldn't think so in an IWB rig. Or OWB. I carried my Detective Special for quite a while and it's heavier than a steel J frame. And it was not a burden. But IWB.
You guessed it. I am a pocket carrier! And when you are used to a Bodyguard .380, LCP II or CM9 in your pocket... then yes, my trusty old Model 49 feels like a brick!
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Old 08-25-2018, 03:04 AM
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I've read a few posts about gun owners sending out their firearms to the repair shop and still having problems with the gun. I'm assuming that theses situations are few and far between.

I've also read of owner's that have sent out their guns and the firearms were repaired to their satisfaction. I sent out a Taurus pistol for warranty work years ago and they repaired the issue to my satisfaction.

I have not been able to get out to the range to test my recently repaired Model 638 but I am optimistic the accuracy issues I was having has been resolved. S&W did include a test firing form that indicates it passed inspection.

All the best in getting your gun back in working order.
Keeping my fingers crossed for sure, but also trying to be realistic and not get my hopes up too high. It's the random intermittent nature of the problem that bothers me. I can just see someone at S&W CS pulling the trigger a dozen times and having it work... and then I get one of those "couldn't duplicate problem" notes back.

It is going to take some serious patience and testing to assure they actually get it to 100%. Unless it is something really obvious to them when they open it up, I see this being a multi-return visits possibility.
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Old 08-25-2018, 09:23 PM
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You guessed it. I am a pocket carrier! And when you are used to a Bodyguard .380, LCP II or CM9 in your pocket... then yes, my trusty old Model 49 feels like a brick!
I'm with you on that. I'm primarily a pocket carrier, especially in the summer. I have a M36 I love, but it's a bit heavy in the pocket - great OWB though. My M38 (and now 442) carries super nice in the pocket. A few ounces makes a huge difference in the course of a day.

In the winter time I carry a 9mm GLOCK IWB.
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Old 08-31-2018, 07:46 PM
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Tell your Taurus loving friend that I bought a new M85 revolver from my LGS that had the bbl misaligned in the frame(didn’t know until after I shot it) that had to go back for repair and after two and a half months was returned with a new replacement bbl and the finish did not match the frame.
I love the gun and it is my concealed carry weapon even though the bbl is blued and the frame is a mat finish. YA 2.5 months!!

I bought a New S&W 360J about 2 months ago from my LGS (To replace the Taurus while it was away)and after a number of times opening and closing the cylinder when I got it home,I noticed the cylinder was dragging (badly) on the forcing cone. Sent it back to the Mothership(unfired) and got it back in 2 weeks(Fed-Ex to Fed-Ex. One week at Smith). They replaced the BOLT. Worked like a charm.

Being without a carry piece I got a new Colt Cobra to replace both the Taurus and the Smith. It worked perfectly!



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Old 08-31-2018, 07:49 PM
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These threads make me crazy; I'd love to open that sucker up and see what's going on in there...
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Old 08-31-2018, 08:20 PM
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Yes,I agree. But if he is not comfortable taking the side plate off,it’s best to send it to the Mothership.
Some 20 years ago I bought a new model 629 -44mag. In taking off the side plate(standard procedure for my new revolvers) I found an extra trigger spring floating around in the works.
Ya. I didn’t know Smith sent extra parts with their guns!
So I suggested a good oiling with Rem Oil,shoot it,and if the problem persist to send it off. SEE post #24.

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Old 09-04-2018, 11:27 AM
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Yes,I agree. But if he is not comfortable taking the side plate off,itís best to send it to the Mothership.
Some 20 years ago I bought a new model 629 -44mag. In taking off the side plate(standard procedure for my new revolvers) I found an extra trigger spring floating around in the works.
Ya. I didnít know Smith sent extra parts with their guns!
So I suggested a good oiling with Rem Oil,shoot it,and if the problem persist to send it off. SEE post #24.

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I assume you were responding to me.

I wasn't suggesting he take off the sideplate, I was saying I want to.

My OCD wants to fix...
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:05 PM
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I assume you were responding to me.

I wasn't suggesting he take off the sideplate, I was saying I want to.

My OCD wants to fix...
I know what you mean. It's probably some simple little thing. But when it doesn't work brand new right out of the box and still doesn't work after lubing and hundreds of dry-fire trigger pulls, I guess it's best to send it back to the mothership... which is what I have done. No word back yet from the mothership other than an e-mail saying that they have received it.

By coincidence, I was in a shop today where an old couple were trying out a 442-1 and a couple other j-frames. I felt like telling my story, but I bit my lip. Just because mine was a disappointment doesn't mean that they are all that way.
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Old 09-13-2018, 02:42 PM
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Well, the FedEx guy just dropped off my repaired Model 442-1. It is back from the mothership exactly 20 days after I sent it in... less than 3 weeks turn-around including shipping.

The repair documents indicate that S&W replaced the sear and the sear spring. It also indicates that it was tested for function and apparently passed.

Obviously, the first thing I checked was see if they had fixed the lock-up problem and it appears that they did. I won't be 100% sure until I take it to the range and do a lot more dry firing, but a fair amount of dry firing over the last hour failed to recreate the issue or any hint of it.

Cosmetically, my "brand new factory fresh" gun took a bit of a hit. Disappointing for an anal retentive old fool like me, but not unexpected and not the end of the world. I'll replace the buggered-up screws and live with the rest. It could have been worse.

Overall, S&W CS did their thing and they did it quickly and successfully. The warranty worked... and that's about all one can ask for short of better quality control before the guns leave the factory.

This was my first brand new S&W revolver in 35 years and the only one that ever had to go back for a warranty repair. Lesson learned. I think I'll stick with the old stuff.

Will I keep this gun now? Or trade it for something else? I'll have to let you know somewhere down the road.
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Will I keep this gun now? Or trade it for something else? I'll have to let you know somewhere down the road.
At least if you sell or trade it now, you can rest assured that you are selling/trading a functional piece and the cosmetics will speak for themselves. I have a 2016 Model 442-1 and a 2018 Model 642-1. I've shot both a fair amount and they both work as they should. The 442-1 is tight and the 642-1 is very tight. With the Houge grips they shoot pretty darn good, too.

Newer J-frames are lower left and upper right. The Model 60s are . . . well, old school.


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Glad that you got your gun back in working order. I was going to say the sear may be a touch too long ( not much you can do there ) or that there may have been a piece of millings floating around in the works. I would have at least popped off the sideplate and blown it out, then oiled and dry fired to see. I have a 629 that I would like to get tightened up, but I am wary of sending the gun in as it has a scope on it which I don't want to take off and the gun is in beautiful shape for being fired. So I just kind of balk on it.
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Glad you got it back in working order.

My opinion: The 442-1 will never be collectible, it's a carry piece, it can look used as long as it functions. The most valuable gun you have is the one you have on you in a time of need - looks don't matter.
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I know it!
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Well, the FedEx guy just dropped off my repaired Model 442-1. It is back from the mothership exactly 20 days after I sent it in... less than 3 weeks turn-around including shipping.

The repair documents indicate that S&W replaced the sear and the sear spring. It also indicates that it was tested for function and apparently passed.

Obviously, the first thing I checked was see if they had fixed the lock-up problem and it appears that they did. I won't be 100% sure until I take it to the range and do a lot more dry firing, but a fair amount of dry firing over the last hour failed to recreate the issue or any hint of it.

Cosmetically, my "brand new factory fresh" gun took a bit of a hit. Disappointing for an anal retentive old fool like me, but not unexpected and not the end of the world. I'll replace the buggered-up screws and live with the rest. It could have been worse.

Overall, S&W CS did their thing and they did it quickly and successfully. The warranty worked... and that's about all one can ask for short of better quality control before the guns leave the factory.

This was my first brand new S&W revolver in 35 years and the only one that ever had to go back for a warranty repair. Lesson learned. I think I'll stick with the old stuff.

Will I keep this gun now? Or trade it for something else? I'll have to let you know somewhere down the road.
Good deal OP. Call Smith up tomorrow morning; tell them what happened and nicely request they send you new replacement yoke and sideplate screws (or whichever one(s) they used the wrong driver size for. I'm positive they will put them in the mail for you tomorrow!
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This problem is why I’m reluctant to buy online. At the local fun shop, I can inspect before buying.
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This problem is why Iím reluctant to buy online. At the local fun shop, I can inspect before buying.
There is no question that had I bought locally, this never would have happened. After the first dry fire lock-up, I'd have handed it back to the dealer and said "No thanks."
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Good deal OP. Call Smith up tomorrow morning; tell them what happened and nicely request they send you new replacement yoke and sideplate screws (or whichever one(s) they used the wrong driver size for. I'm positive they will put them in the mail for you tomorrow!
Yeah, a couple folks have pointed that out. I'm out-of-pocket with day surgery today, but sometime next week I'll call the mothership and order all new sideplate screws. Pay or freebee... doesn't matter a hoot.
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Just prayed for your surgery to be a success and that your gun 442 shoots straight and is reliable! They really are nice carry guns, IMHO. Obviously they need to work to do that job though. Hopefully yours does now.

Stephen Camp talked about his very first experience with a Model was after a first few shots, he had one lock up on him. And he was a Police Officer. He got it fixed and even though it took a while, he eventually trusted it and learned that was really not a common thing. Sometimes we just get bad luck with guns.

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