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I was looking at a couple of these locally. Thought really hard about picking one up.
64-3 heavy barrel with Crimson Trace grips
64 (no dash or dash 1, I don't recall) pencil barrel with magnas
Neither had box, tools, etc, just the guns. Condition of both was comparable.
$400 for either one, which seems like a decent price to me.

I was thinking the 64-3 would be the better deal with the Crimson Trace grips, but I saw in another post that the pencil barrel was much less common.

So if you had a choice, which would you choose? And would you be a buyer for either at $400?
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1. Pencil barrel.
2. Yes.

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Yes on the pencil bbl.
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Easy choice! In my case, I'm a sucker for tapered barrels!
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Photos are not the best, but there seems to be less external wear on the pencil bbl gun. I know scratches and such on stainless guns can be buffed out, but don't they indicate greater wear on a gun than a less- (or no-) scratched finish? Little too much wear on the bull bbl for my druthers, I can use another "pencil."

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Get the taper barrel.
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As others have said, tapered barrel is where it is at for that price point. I still find GunBroker deals on the heavy barrels from time to time that are $100 less. Plus the tapered barrel balances and points really well.

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Tapered barrel in a heartbeat.
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ditto....ditto....Tapered for sure. I have both in M10 and I just like the way the tapered handle better.

My 64 is a 3 inch heavy, but that's a different animal.
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FWIW I have a 13-1 which is very comparable to a 10-6 (mine's built on a 10-6 frame that was re-stamped 13-1 - but that's another story) and I also have a pre-model number M&P that is almost identical to the tapered barrel model 64, so I understand the comparison you're making. I'll have to handle them side by side to see how they feel to me.

Seems like the general consensus is that at $400 the tapered barrel with the factory magnas is a good buy and significantly better buy than the newer HB with the Crimson Trace laser grips?

But is that from a monetary value perspective, or just from a purist/collector/aficionado/shooter perspective? Both are valid perspectives, so I'm just curious.
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The pencil barrel is a 64 (no dash) and is more rare and worth the cost. The 64-3 heavy barrel is much more common and while worth the 400 it can be had for less and the grips are just grips and don't really add to the worth of the gun.
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But didn't they call it the standard barrel?

Which by the way I always thought it more attractive with better balance than the bull barrel. Of course it doesn't dampen recoil as much as the heavier barrel.
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Aesthetics, coupled with dynamic handling make for a winning combination. I would select the tapered barrel every time.
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Yes a standard barrel 64, at $400, can’t go wrong there.

If you really like and had to have the crimson trace stocks, the heavy barrel is probably a fair deal too at $400 IMO.

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The pencil barrel is a 64 (no dash) and is more rare and worth the cost. The 64-3 heavy barrel is much more common and while worth the 400 it can be had for less and the grips are just grips and don't really add to the worth of the gun.
Great info.

BTW, you are correct about it being a no-dash, but how did you know it isn't a dash-one? Is there something distinctive about the dash-one vs the no-dash that helped you figure it out? Do all the dash-ones have the heavy barrel? Were the no-dash the only model with the tapered barrel?

I called and talked to the seller and will be meeting them tomorrow - to see what kind of deal I can make on the 64 no-dash. If I had the scratch I'd probably try to make a package deal on the two of them, but since I have to choose one I'll be getting the no-dash.
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I believe your assumptions are correct. -1's started with a heavy barrel. All the no dashes I have seen have been pencil barrels.

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Well, I went and looked at it today.
Nice condition, just a couple of tiny handling marks.
Locks up as tight as any I've ever seen. Closest thing to a brand new M64 as I think you'll find.
No box or anything, but I pretty much knew that.
Unfortunately, the stocks aren't original, they number to a newer gun in the 68xxxx range.
Seller would not budge. $400 is his bottom line.
I didn't jump - yet. After some searching on Gun Broker I'm not convinced the value is that much higher than what I'd be into it if I were to make the buy. Gun only sales for the tapered barrel no-dash on Gun Broker seem to range from $380 to $495. Blue book shows NIB north of $600 and fair condition around $300 with the middle of the road value as $400.

My main reason for hesitation is that I already have a bunch of 38 specials. 7 of them to be exact.
two 2" M36 no dash (one blue one nickel)
one 3" M36-1
one 2" M60
one Pre-10 M&P
one M15-5
one M67-6
Plus half a dozen 357s that will all shoot 38's

I've only spent $400 or more on a couple of them. So I'm having a hard time convincing myself to cough up the dough for this one.
Are you enablers ready to convince me I should?
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I have two 64ND revolvers. Only the No Dash had the 4 taper barrel. Paid around $450 for a nice one in 18, paid $400 for a less pristine example in 19. I really like the taper barrel 64s. Even though I already have two 64ND, if I ran across another for $400 Id probably buy it.

Model 64s can be habit forming. A few years ago I had none, now I have multiple ND and -2s, plus a 3 -3.
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I gave $350 for this one in 2012. I'd give $400 today, most definitely. Joe
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Well, like I said, Gun Broker completed auctions seem to place the value on a mechanically near perfect example like this at just under $500. This one doesn't have its original grips so there would be a bit of a value deduct for that.
Though given its approximate date of manufacture (1972) I'm wondering if it could have shipped with non-numbered magnas?

With transfer and all I'd be into it for around $435.
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Well, like I said, Gun Broker completed auctions seem to place the value on a mechanically near perfect example like this at just under $500. This one doesn't have its original grips so there would be a bit of a value deduct for that.
Though given its approximate date of manufacture (1972) I'm wondering if it could have shipped with non-numbered magnas?

With transfer and all I'd be into it for around $435.
That isn't a bad price. Each of the pencil barrels I've sold over the past two years have sold in the $400-$425 range. If you really want a .38 special stainless k frame it is a great one to get and I'd go for it. It sounds like your conflicted on this purchase and if you don't really need another .38 special k frame then move on. Find something that really interests you. Don't just buy for the sake of buying, then you'll have to sell it next week when you find something really interesting.

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