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Best bang for the buck, is the Ruger MK III, MKIV. However, a Marvel upper for your 1911 is remarkable.
Once you get to the $1000 range, the Model 41 rules. My Model 41s have been VERY ammunition sensitive, and I experienced too many alibies.

Having owned virtually all the target guns available in the last 60 years, including Colt Target Woodsman, Smith Model 41, Browning Medalist, Hammerli 208S, Rugers, Walthers, etc., I would conclude that the Pardini has been the most accurate and most reliable .22 I have used in competition. However, it is a 5-shot gun made for bullseye.
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This is what I use to punch holes in cardboard targets!
Great pistol, shoots better than me!
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My 22lr favorite, Ruger Mk IV Lite w/Dead Air Mask and Vortex Venom. Unbelievably quiet, easy to break down & clean, which is important given how dirty everything gets with a suppressor.
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Favorite .22s…

Number 1:

K-22 • shipped: November 20, 1947

Number 2:

Model 64-2 • shipped: April 1981

And Number 3:

Ruger 22/45 LITE + Gemtech Outback IID
“quiet as a mouse farting in cotton!"
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I have not had the ability to own other SW .22 handguns except this 622:

smith wesson 622 - Bing

I only feed it CCI Stinger ammo. That's the agreement.
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K-22 and Ruger Mk II. Sights and barrels as you like them. I've seen 10's of thousands of rounds through a variety of 22's. Those two are the most reliable and can be as accurate as any. A lady student of mine can wax me with her Hammerli, but I'm sure she could do it with a Ruger as well.
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I have never had the pleasure of shooting a Korth, but my choice for a semi auto is a model 41 5 1/2 inch and for a revolver a full lug model 17-6 4 inch or a 4 inch 617 full lug
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In Smiths have 17, 18, 34 blue, & 34(?) airweight, M41 w/5.5 w/extended site, 7.5 & a 5.5 with dot. Also have a number of Hi Standard target pistols, Service Ace, plus a couple others.

M17 in revolver & M41(best 22 ever), are my favorites. I polish the internals of my revolvers & really smooth out the double action, but most, especially the old guns, are fine right out of the box.
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Where does one find a source for a Korth? That 22LR/22WMR sounds interesting? so do some of their others i have read about.

I own a 317, 617 (unfortunately not a Mtn Gun) ,34 flat latch, 634, Buckmark, Ruger III Hunter. The last 2 have red dots mounted. Finally, a 22 conversion unit for a Glock. Unfortunately, I let the best get away, a custom S&W 18 with a round butt and dull nickel finish. It was my practice gun when I carried a round butt Model 66 357. It made me into a fair revolver shooter. I let it go to get the Glock conversion one day after we switched duty guns when I had left my brain on the nightstand. I have shot the conversion unit for the Glock a lot but am still a better revolver shooter. Now that I am retired I still carry at least one J frame along with whatever is primary for that time of year.
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Number 2:

Model 64-2 • shipped: April 1981

Care to explain this one a little further?

Ashland? Or, am I missing something?

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Going along with Kurusu, P.44, and Moo Moo....
High end competition 22

Mine is a Pardini 22, Don Nygord Master version.
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I. At Cal44 (to post #17)
Out of my head:
In the 1960's 1 US $ was +/- 4,-DM, so one of this Ol' Korth's (OK, depending on caliber...) had been +/- $ 100
In 1983/84 the Korth's were offered for +/- 2500,-DM - 3000,-DM(with 2.cylinder = .357/9mm or .22l.r./WMR)
and 1 US $ was +/- 2,55 - 2,85 DM

II. At Kurusu (to post #9 + 16)
Aah, I see: Another Hämmerli fan
...and: Yes, the 208 is a real "classic", somehow a "Swiss made Walther Olympia"
Walther Olympia - Wikipedia
Of course the newer pistols -as Moo Moo's Pardini (post #6) or your Hämmerli 280 (post #9)- are technical
(especially more options for trigger-adjustments) far ahead of the good ol' 208. But IMHO the Hämmerli 208
is still one of the "best looking" (= like a "real pistol") and shooting target-pistols.


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Colt Woodsmans are my love, 2nd series Match Targets preferred. Though my last .22 pistol buy was a a HS Supermatic Citation. It also is a drama queen but I have the mags and correct ammo just haven’t invested the time to wring it out.
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I have to stand up for the S&W 22S. For the price, it cannot be beat year in and year out..
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1. S&W Model 17
2. Colt Trooper Mark III
3. S&W Model 41
4. S&W Model 35
5. S&W Model 617
6. Ruger Super Single Six
7. Ruger SP 101
8. Ruger Mark II
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Ruger Mark IV, heavy barrel. Throw in a Volquartsen trigger and you've got a target pistol.
I roll with a mk iii heavy barrel. I would add once you get north of 50 yrs old, a Burris ff iii, or similar red dot will shrink your groups.
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Number 2:

Model 64-2 • shipped: April 1981

Care to explain this one a little further?

Ashland? Or, am I missing something?

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I found the 64 with the the standard RB stocks and at local gun show. A year or so later I found a guy selling these S&W smooth targets and also these checkered targets:
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When it comes to Hammerli, don't forget the classic model 100 series free pistols. Now that the Free Pistol event is dropped from the Olympics, it can be said for certain that the various Hammerli 100s won more Olympic medals than any other pistol. That would be 14 medals, not including 8 additional medals won with the 150/152/160/162 series.
It is also the only free pistol to be used to win a clean sweep of all three medals in a single Olympic year, and repeat the feat for a total of three different Olympic years (1952, 1956, and 1964). And, that doesn't include a clean sweep won with the 150/152 in 1984.

Attached pics show Joe Benner with his Hammerli 100, the only American to win a Gold Olympic medal (1952) in the Free Pistol event.
The various 100s were not "stock" items, they were built to order one by one. Even their left hand ones were built using a left hand frame and left hand set trigger mechanism. They didn't just slap a left hand grip on a right hand action.
Luxus versions could be ordered with various patterns of carved grips and/or engraving and inlays.

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...Attached pics show Joe Benner with his Hammerli 100, the only American to win a Gold Olympic medal (1952) in the Free Pistol event...
He was still a legend at the Armor School when I joined the Army. Served with one of his team mates in Europe in the early Seventies.

The Army's attitude to recreational and competitive shooting opportunities for the common soldier sure have changed.
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Isn't #2 a Model 63?
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I believe so.

Hence my question of his post also calling out the 'Model 64'.

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Interesting read and some interesting choices. I'll bet some of the high end and modified target version guns do shoot great.

I have a model 34 that I replaced the 2" barrel on with a 4" and it is growing on me as a pack around and camp 22.

I also have 3 Of Rugers 22 semi autos, an couple of the early light barrel guns, a Mark 3 heavy target and they are ok, but just can't get really enthused about them. They shoot OK, I guess the triggers could be better. Will set one up for a suppressor when paper work goes through.

Have a Ruger Bearcat I picked up at a street fair (it is Montana). Little girls like plinking with it.

Have a Rossi 6 shot that is real similar too a 34. Trigger not so hot, but it works. Was giving to me by my mom when she got rid of her guns, so I keep it.

Have 5 screw 6" and 4" K22s as well as a 6" 4 screw. Nice guns shoot great

But, my favorite is a 18-4 that I bought new long ago, round butted it and have shot the snot out of. It has exposed to the elements in a holster, the blue and the finish is not so hot. The trigger is great and I can hit what I point it at. Actually shot a duck with it at 200 yds once. Really on second shot. If I hadn't been sitting down I would have fell down. Was looking down a hill to a small pond and never dreamed I could actually hit it. Duck for supper.

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Model 648 .22 mag.
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I can't choose one favorite, so I'll submit my top three. As was said already, purpose is what decides which tool is best.

1) Nickel Mod. 34-1 4 inch 3Ts w/extra .22 magnum cylinder.

2) Ruger MKII target stainless 10 inch.

3) Colt Diamondback 6 inch blue.
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Well, I've had several and still own most of them. Best shooting out of the box, the Smith Model 41. Most practical, Smith Model 63 in stainless (great pest management tool), most fun ??, all of them! I must say the Sig 1911 .22 is one of my favs, but the Model 41 has me banned from the shooting trees.
PS. The Smith Model 48 with a 8 3/8" tube is also a great varmint collector.

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Anybody wondering how useful and versatile the 22LR can be in a handgun should read through this thread!
There's as many applications as there are owners!

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For me, it's my High Standard 5 1/2" Trophy or Citation (they are so similar the only difference is the name) followed by;
2. S&W 41

3. High Standard Victor ( I don't like the ballance as well as the Trophy)

4. S&W 17-3

I have a Ruger MK II that is reliable as all get out, but you have to add Volquartsen trigger parts to get them to shoot as well as the guns mentioned above. Sooo... why not just use one of the above?
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Hence my question of his post also calling out the 'Model 64'.

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I have several others but these are my favorites:
Smith & Wesson Model 41:


Browning Medalist (made in 1967):


My always faithful Browning Buckmark:


Browning Challenger 6 1/2" Barrel (made in 1969):


Browning Challenger 4 1/2" barrel (made in 1962):


Ruger MKIII:


Ruger Single Ten:
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These are my .22LR handguns ranked in order of preference:
1. Model 17-3
2. Colt Trooper MkIII
3. Browning 1911-22
4. Model 617-6
5. Ruger SP-101 (1st gen.)

I also have a .22LR kit for my CZ SP-01 that is amazingly good.

I am getting ready to buy a Model 41 to round out my collection. I'd love to try the Buckmark, but I hate plastic parts of any kind on guns. (The 1911-22 has a plastic front sight that I have to super glue on, but it is super fun to shoot.) The Ruger is getting a trigger job & new springs, and the 617 will get one too.

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I have a Buckmark. I recommend a spring kit out of the box, if you get one.
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I'm not sure about best, but I can show you the one that I enjoy shooting the most:







There's something about the action being so pleasing, and forcing me to slow down and take my time. With excellent balance, sights, stocks that fill the hand out perfectly, and of course a trigger to die for.

A friend of mine brought his Vietnam vet Army Ranger dad to the range when I brought this one time. He's a far better shooter then I will ever be. I didn't think I would get it back, he was loath to hand it back to me at all, after spending the rest of the range day with it. My buddy says he's been trying to find one to buy ever since.


Although, the truth is that this thing might actually be better;





But I bought it just before our baby came and I haven't had the opportunity to really spend much time with it. The trigger, balance, weight, hell everything, is out of this world. Every time I pull it out I marvel at how modern it is for a 120 year old gun.

It was years before I ever even saw one for sale after learning about it's existence from a cryptic line in one of Walter Roper's books praising it's perfection. Haven't seen one for sale since.


Of course, if we are just talking perfection, my K22/40 King Super target hits that mark too.





I was born 75 years too late...

I might as well edit this post, because now that I am thinking about 22s I should probably include my D.W. King Modified (sights, barrel weights) pre-war Colt Woodsman match target that was worked over by both A.E. Berdon and John Giles (who built and installed the rear sight).

The problem it is hard to say that this is the "best" 22 because it passed through the hands of so many master gunsmiths over the years. The original owner apparently used it at Camp Perry meets (according to his son who I bought it from) for many many years of shooting.





I should probably take some pictures of it with the right handed ropers that I eventually did find for it.

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There's something about the action being so pleasing, and forcing me to slow down and take my time. With excellent balance, sights, stocks that fill the hand out perfectly, and of course a trigger to die for.

A friend of mine brought his Vietnam vet Army Ranger dad to the range when I brought this one time. He's a far better shooter then I will ever be. I didn't think I would get it back, he was loath to hand it back to me at all, after spending the rest of the range day with it. My buddy says he's been trying to find one to buy ever since.


Although, the truth is that this thing might actually be better;





But I bought it just before our baby came and I haven't had the opportunity to really spend much time with it. The trigger, balance, weight, hell everything, is out of this world. Every time I pull it out I marvel at how modern it is for a 120 year old gun.

It was years before I ever even saw one for sale after learning about it's existence from a cryptic line in one of Walter Roper's books praising it's perfection. Haven't seen one for sale since.


Of course, if we are just talking perfection, my K22/40 King Super target hits that mark too.





I was born 75 years too late...

I might as well edit this post, because now that I am thinking about 22s I should probably include my D.W. King Modified (sights, barrel weights) pre-war Colt Woodsman match target that was worked over by both A.E. Berdon and John Giles (who built and installed the rear sight).

The problem it is hard to say that this is the "best" 22 because it passed through the hands of so many master gunsmiths over the years. The original owner apparently used it at Camp Perry meets (according to his son who I bought it from) for many many years of shooting.





I should probably take some pictures of it with the right handed ropers that I eventually did find for it.
Colt Camp Perry model single shot! Very Nice.
Lacks the patina of your S&W Registered Magnum, though...!

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Besides my mid 50's K-22, I have also enjoyed shooting my 2 High Standards over the years.
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Camp Perry Colt like the one in post 83 up for sale in 2 hours on Gun Broker.
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Colt Woodsmans are my love, 2nd series Match Targets preferred. Though my last .22 pistol buy was a a HS Supermatic Citation. It also is a drama queen but I have the mags and correct ammo just haven’t invested the time to wring it out.
I have high expectations on a Woodsman target match I bought recently.

But it's not in my hands yet. So, since I still haven't tried it, I still cannot praise it.

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I have high expectations on a Woodsman target match I bought recently.

But it's not in my hands yet. So, since I still haven't tried it, I still cannot praise it.

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Very nice, Mario!

I had a similar one, made in the late 1950s. It showed incredible overall quality, when Colt really cared. Their discontinuing of the Woodsman line in the 1970s came at a time when things were just falling apart for them. Labor problems, QC problems, customer service problems.....what a shame.
My Woodsman shot so well, I won many matches with it. I preferred the grip angle to my M41. The sear gave me some trouble, which was a common problem known to Colt and that they refused to fix. A gunsmith made me a new sear, and the trigger was better than ever.
Some people say the slide mounted rear sight is a design flaw from the standpoint of accuracy. But, the fitting is so good, I doubt that. Mine had no trouble holding the X ring at 50 yds. The lower sight line compared to the bridge mounted rear sights used on the Hammerli 208s/208 and High Standard Trophy is also more to my liking.

I even like the bottom mag release. It is very slick, fast and reliable. I prefer it to the Hammerli 208 release with the stiff, awkward spring.

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What is the story on your Adolph-Weber pistol? I can't find very much about it on the web.

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A lot of great 22's. Many of which i'd never heard of before.

How about some more 22 mags?

They count as 22's also, after all.

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My favorites have been a High Standard Citation and Victor for semi's. For revolvers it would have to be a Freedom Arms.
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My two S&W .22 revolvers are a pre-model from 1953 and a 17-2 from 1966. Both are very nice, but my favorite by far is the Colt Officers Model Special from 1949-50. This gun was only made from 1949-52. Top one is the .22 with its .38 sibling.
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Then clean up.
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Did I mention that I really like the .22 mag? It is keeping me from getting a Contender barrel in .22 Hornet as I keep leaning to one in .22 mag. Maybe my wife will convince me to buy both.
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My favorite is my S&W Model 617 with a C-More sight with 12 minute dot. I shoot this faster and more accurately for Steel Challenge then I do my Ruger Mark IV 22/45 Lite or my Volquartsen Mamba. Guess it's because I've been shooting Revolvers in competition for the past 50 years.
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I have two for the list. First is (was) my Model 17 no dash 6”. Unfortunately, I traded it a get years ago. It was the most accurate revolver I have ever owned. Second is my Colt Woodsman Match Target 6”, the most accurate semi-auto I own.
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Did someone say .22 magnum?
I just bought this on Wednesday. It became my new favorite, after the first shot of .22 Rem Jet. It’s prolly not as accurate as my High Standard Supermatic is, but close enough, and, those fireballs, WOW!!!
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I can't really tell you too much. A big part of why I had to own one was because of how limited the information on them was. Pure curiosity.

Any SWCA members can see everything I know about them here: Adolph-Weber .22 Single Shot

Honestly, I'm very glad I own it, despite some damage to the wood. Which I will eventually have repaired.

I did get the chance to put it in the hands of Steven Hughes recently, which I enjoyed. It's really neat to own a particularly well made gun, that old, with so many features present in modern guns. I believe his comment on it was that usually when someone shows him something he has never seen before, it's not very good. Which wasn't the case with this particular gun.

The funny thing about the gun, having owned it for a while now and pondered it, is that the action itself isn't particularly fancy. Just being a tip up. It's the attention to the trigger, balance, ergonomics of the grip, and the remarkably modern sights that set it apart.
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Three 22 mags in this bunch.
S&W M41 )
S&W M48 ) No intro needed

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S&W M651 ) These two always get attention at the range. They are very LOUD and spew a large
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So many great comments and beautiful guns on this thread I hesitate to show you my simple little MKIII. But 15000 + rounds of enjoyment and more accuracy than I'm worth, places her in my favorites list.


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