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Old 01-21-2020, 06:25 AM
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Damn, this little guy stings the webbing between trigger finger and thumb.

I don’t want a CT Lazer grip. Any other grip to ease that sting?
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Probably any sort of oversized grip, such as Hogue or Pachmayr.
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I put a Hogue monogrip on my 360 and it helped a lot with the felt recoil and also with the trigger slap on my trigger finger. While it is about ¼" longer than the stock S&W grips it changed the game in shooting the little beast. I can now run 15-20 rounds through it without any pain. Most of my practice is with .38 but also practice with 125 gr Golden Saber or Gold Dot .357 magnum rounds as that is what I carry in it.

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I put a Hogue monogrip on my 360 and it helped a lot with the felt recoil and also with the trigger slap on my trigger finger. While it is about ¼" longer than the stock S&W grips it changed the game in shooting the little beast. I can now run 15-20 rounds through it without any pain. Most of my practice is with .38 but also practice with 125 gr Golden Saber or Gold Dot .357 magnum rounds as that is what I carry in it.

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I'll give these a try.

The recoil on these things is brutal but it us really the trigger slap I find most annoying.
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If you want the most concealable grip that does reduce recoil, you may go against your thoughts and get a pair of CT LG 405's and leave the laser switch off. These are thin but the space between the backstrap and the grip works very well and recoil with .357's is manageable with my 340PD.
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Old 01-21-2020, 10:32 AM
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I want to tag onto the OP's original question. I belt carry a 642 with a titanium cylinder that brings the unloaded weight down to an even 12 ounces. I currently have Altamont smooth rosewood grips on it. Not for looks, but because (in my mind, anyway) they seem to stick less to clothing. Obviously, that comes at an expense. It is very unpleasant to shoot.

I have a set of Uncle Mike's rubber boot grips. Slightly better recoil control than the Altamonts, but not much.

My shooting buddy has a 642 with Crimson Trace grips, and it's amazing how much more pleasant it is to shoot. I wish I could buy the CT grips without the laser.

So my long winded question - which rubber grips are most like the CT grips? Hogue, Pachmayr, some other?
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Yes: the grip of a gun firing .38s.
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Hogue developed a new kind of grip for the Smith& Wesson 500 Magnums. The rubber used on the backstrap was different than the rubber used on the rest of the grip.

Hogue called these grips the "Tamer" and it is rightfully named

This same design concept has been brought over to other grip styles and sizes.

There is a J-frame Tamer available from Hogue.




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I just ordered a hogue monogrip. I will post when i shoot it.
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Not a grip, but I bought an inexpensive pair of weight-lifting gloves that cover the web of the hand. I underwent surgery years ago for removal of neuroma and fibroma in the shooting hand, which seems to have resurfaced. The glove provides some modicum of recoil relief and allows full finger control. Worth a try?

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About $25 - certainly worth a try - I like it a lot.

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I carry my 360PD only because I can't walk or keep my pants up with any weight. It is brutal to shoot at the range, but I don't think you will feel any recoil if you have to shoot it in defense.

I had a backcountry encounter and didn't notice the black and blue of my hand until 5 minutes later.

I would strongly suggest you try a grip technique I got from Jerry Miculek called the death grip. You use your left hand to surround your right hand and squeeze. Instead of your left hand's thumb being parralell to the other thumb, it goes over the shooting hand's thumb. That breaks the semi-auto rule of no crossed thumbs.

DA shooting is MUCH easier with this death grip left hand supplying the power on the grip. It leaves the right hand index finger loose for trigger control.

Outside of the trigger finger, both hands are engaged for recoil control. It really helps tame that beast.

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I shoot 38s in mine for practice and defense
Its a great gun.
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I use these grips for range practice. Super cushie!

Put the regular S&W rubber grips back on for carry.

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Believe it or not I threw some old round butt service grips on mine and to me it is better than the factory ones. It still kicks like hell but I don’t get the ring finger slap that I was with the factory rubber grips. It gives you an extra finger in the equation and might be with a try.

Not to say these are fun with .357 loads...
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Those S&W factory rubber grips are HORRIBLE ! Exposed metal !!! Dumb. Painful.

I wouldn't sell my SW grips to my darkest enemy.

Put the best rubber on them that's sold today; whatever they cost.

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This thread inspired me to order the Hogue tamer for my 642. $21.56 on Amazon prime with one day delivery. Got them today, easy installation after supper. A bit bulkier than the Altamont rosewood grips I had on there. I'll try to get to the range next week to see how they do with recoil absorption. If I decide I don't like the extra bulk on my 642, I'll try them on my 640 Pro. Can't go too wrong at $21.56.
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I just ordered a hogue monogrip. I will post when i shoot it.
Got and installed the Hogue Monogrip.
Feels 100% great, but took it back off and reinstalled the stock grip. ????? When I tried it in my pocket, it was bulky and more visible. I bought this M&P 340 to be a powerful self defense revolver that would be unnoticeable in my pocket. I will not use it for target practice, I will leave that to my 686-6 plus. So, great grip, but too big for a pocket. If I find a holster that will work for me, I will put the hogue back on.
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Well, well my shooting friends. I just got back from the range. First, I’m embarrassed that I wasted money on the hogue monogrip. It’s a fine grip but I did not need it. I shot 25 rounds of Fiocchi 357 MAG 142gr FMJ Truncated Cone F357F through it. Because of what I read on here, I was hesitant to pull on that first round. Did it kick, have recoil, yes, but it was not even close to what is said on sites I have read. I am old, getting frail and my hands have gone almost as soft as my wife, hence, why I was concerned. This M&P 340 has very little recoil. I would have no concern handing it to my wife for a CC. I read one article that said it was like hitting the webbing in your hand with a ball peen hammer. One article said he was sick to have bought one. Bullpoop! So, please don’t exaggerate on important topics like this. I’m only out 23 dollars I spent on the hogue grip, but I see negative comments about this gun to be at the least disingenuous. I like it and it does not have too much recoil, even for target practice.
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If you want the most concealable grip that does reduce recoil, you may go against your thoughts and get a pair of CT LG 405's and leave the laser switch off. These are thin but the space between the backstrap and the grip works very well and recoil with .357's is manageable with my 340PD.

Full agreement on the CT grips - you get a laser (even if you don’t want to use it) AND the very best perfectly placed padding available for this little monster. I used it to qualify for my MI CPL back 13-14 years ago with 150 rounds of 357 Mag. And trust me, that webbed area of my hand was bloodied!

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Well, well my shooting friends. I just got back from the range. First, I’m embarrassed that I wasted money on the hogue monogrip. It’s a fine grip but I did not need it. I shot 25 rounds of Fiocchi 357 MAG 142gr FMJ Truncated Cone F357F through it. Because of what I read on here, I was hesitant to pull on that first round. Did it kick, have recoil, yes, but it was not even close to what is said on sites I have read. I am old, getting frail and my hands have gone almost as soft as my wife, hence, why I was concerned. This M&P 340 has very little recoil. I would have no concern handing it to my wife for a CC. I read one article that said it was like hitting the webbing in your hand with a ball peen hammer. One article said he was sick to have bought one. Bullpoop! So, please don’t exaggerate on important topics like this. I’m only out 23 dollars I spent on the hogue grip, but I see negative comments about this gun to be at the least disingenuous. I like it and it does not have too much recoil, even for target practice.
Everyone's hands are different, and some people have serious arthritis or other problems.

But often I think a lot of what you read on the internet is just regurgitation of what the poster read elsewhere and he may never have shot a 340 himself.

Imho if a poster is going to post something he read rather than his own experience he should say so.

Like preface his post with "I read that:".

An actual reference is even better.

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There is a huge difference between the recoil impulse with full house 357 out of a 11.4oz PD with grips that leave exposed frame on the back of the grip compared to the 13.3 oz MP340 with the rounds that you are shooting and a laser grip with padding .. Not that anyone wants to Draw blood but MY 340PD will draw blood on the Second cylinder with full house 357 and if shooting 125gr Gold Dots in 357.. it'll open the base of my thumb up by cartridge #5. Big ole flap of skin open and blood on the frame if you shoot any more rounds..no joke. I own both revolvers so the comparison is stark and leaves no doubt, shot side by side it's night and day.

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Damn, this little guy stings the webbing between trigger finger and thumb.

I don’t want a CT Lazer grip. Any other grip to ease that sting?
So what is different between your original post and your last post?

Ammo or ?
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So what is different between your original post and your last post?

Ammo or ?
My bad, that line was a cut and paste from another posters thread. At that time, I had not shot my new gun, but had read several comments about the m&p340 being a danger to shot, so I used it to ask *** in my own thread.
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There is a huge difference between the recoil impulse with full house 357 out of a 11.4oz PD with grips that leave exposed frame on the back of the grip compared to the 13.3 oz MP340 with the rounds that you are shooting and a laser grip with padding .. Not that anyone wants to Draw blood but MY 340PD will draw blood on the Second cylinder with full house 357 and if shooting 125gr Gold Dots in 357.. it'll open the base of my thumb up by cartridge #5. Big ole flap of skin open and blood on the frame if you shoot any more rounds..no joke. I own both revolvers so the comparison is stark and leaves no doubt, shot side by side it's night and day.
Wow, can the 2oz make a big difference. I have shot 20 rounds of 357 mags through my M&P 340 with very little recoil and certainly no bleeding. I am 72 years old, frail and I see no issues at all shooting this revolver with 357 mags ammo. Are posters lying or am I some kind of freak of nature?
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Wow, can the 2oz make a big difference. I have shot 20 rounds of 357 mags through my M&P 340 with very little recoil and certainly no bleeding. I am 72 years old, frail and I see no issues at all shooting this revolver with 357 mags ammo. Are posters lying or am I some kind of freak of nature?
You are probably a freak of nature.

But then I may be too. 357 mag mid range Loads are no problem in my 17oz LCR.

And I'm only 2 years younger than you.

A lot depends on what grips you have on your gun.
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I put Hogue Tamer Grips on my 340,wow what a difference.
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I don't know what ammo folks are shooting but the 340/360 revolvers with full 357 magnums are the most painful handguns I've ever shot. Actually split the web of my hand on the bone at the base of my thumb (requiring stiches) with the factory Hogue Bantams. I'm not a novice shooter and not particularly recoil sensitive -- I've shot over 9,000 rnd of 44 mag thru three different 329s and over 15,000 rounds thru a .475 Linebaugh along numerous rnds with other heavy .45s, 480s and 500 JRH.

Didn't post this to thump my chest, but to point out that normal people (maybe 98%) find these lightweight 357s with real .357 mag ammo PAINFUL to shoot.

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Shoot .38s. The bad guy will never know the difference, and your hand won't hurt, and you'll shoot it better.
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.38 +P always felt perfect in my 340 M&P.

.357 wasn't as bad as the interwebz had me prepared for, but I definitely wasn't in love with shooting it with 357 ammo.

I love the 340 for the xs sight, tough DLC finish, and the unique machining/lines of the barrel.... I even think the lanyard loop is cool touch.

Guess I'm trying to say that I never bought one for the 357 mag capability... but the other features won me over
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I guess I need to take my 105 lb granddaughter out to shoot this 340. Then perhaps we can agree, the 340 with full load 357 mags, has a kick to its recoil and even can make your hand hurt after a box or two through the revolver. But the indication of severe pain, blood and stitches is nothing but a lie, or the shooter is totally untrained in how to hold and fire a light weight revolver. I’m done, but advice those considering this revolver, it’s fine right out of the box with the stock grip.
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Shave off two oz and shoot some real 357 rounds, 125gr Gold Dots or Buffalo Bore 180gr outdoorsman in 357.. You know like 1200fps out of a 1-7\8" barrel not 950fps.

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I guess I need to take my 105 lb granddaughter out to shoot this 340. Then perhaps we can agree, the 340 with full load 357 mags, has a kick to its recoil and even can make your hand hurt after a box or two through the revolver. But the indication of severe pain, blood and stitches is nothing but a lie, or the shooter is totally untrained in how to hold and fire a light weight revolver. I’m done, but advice those considering this revolver, it’s fine right out of the box with the stock grip.
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This is absolutely not true. I sincerely don’t understand the responses of severe pain. In being fair to this issue, I went again yesterday, shot 35 rounds of Fiocchi .357 Magnum 142 grain FMJ muzzle energy 650 FPS, muzzle velocity 1420 FPS. Stock grip on my M&P 340. No pain, no bleeding. To be accused of trolling long time members is uncalled for and totally untrue.
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I don’t know how those that experience pain, bleeding and stitches are holding the revolver, but perhaps they could read this link and find relief to the severe recoil they are experiencing.

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I carry a 642-1 because of it's small size in my front pocket.

Never understood putting oversize grips on a J frame revolver that was going to be carried. Seems it would defeat having such a small revolver.

Switching to a 2.5 or 3" K frame would be a better choice if a person was recoil sensitive.

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This photo of my 637-2 has a titanium 9mm cylinder installed, but I also have a titanium .357 cylinder for it. Weight is 12 oz with the Houge laser grips.
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I carry a 642-1 because of it's small size in my front pocket.

Never understood putting oversize grips on a J frame revolver that was going to be carried. Seems it would defeat having such a small revolver.

Switching to a 2.5 or 3" K frame would be a better choice if a person was recoil sensitive.

I pray I didn't offend or rub anyone the wrong way with my thoughts.
I agree. Big honking grips, rubber or otherwise, on a J-frame makes it belt holster gun and not pocket-packable.

If I am going to run a belt holster, might as well move up a 2" bbl K-frame. K's are much easier to shoot well IME.

and for the OP, you can tune the recoil with .38spl std, +P, and various flavors of .357mag.

Also note that .357mag with lighter weight bullets may be a nastier experience than with heavier. Hot 125gr .357mag is about the worst. 158gr and 180gr were not nearly as nasty in a small frame snubby.
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I use Pachmayr Compacts and Hogue Tamers on my carry 442s. Like someone else said, there is a jell patch in the web area that cushions very well on the Tamers.
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I have now shot more than 100 rounds and still not even a bruise. And I’m still upset about being called a troll by Paul105. He owes me an apology.
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1) People vary in their tolerance, which may be a result of small differences in the structure of their hand or other variables.

2) Physics is not in your favor here - small/light firearm, hefty round is most of the time not going to be a fun combination. A magazine full of .357 Sig in my Glock 33 is all the fun I can advocate. I'd bet a lot that the overwhelming majority of shooters will be better off with standard velocity 158 grain SWCs as a top load in J frames, and most will be as well served with a good target WC with a sharp edge.
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A lot of people don't like the looks of those, but I find them comfortable to shoot with and they do a nice job controlling recoil.

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