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Old 02-02-2020, 09:16 PM
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It's truly a good thing that you didn't suffer any really bad injuries from this. There are three morals to your story: eye protection, eye protection and eye protection. That is the lesson we should all take away from this mishap.
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Old 02-02-2020, 09:20 PM
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A friend of mine gave me some reloaded 45 ACP ammo. this happened, it could of been worse I guess.

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Old 02-02-2020, 09:22 PM
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Thank you for being brave enough to post this. I'm glad you're okay.

Even though I load on a single stage, and only 50 or 100 at a time (which are easily inspected), it's still a good reminder that nothing is more important than attention to detail.

And I'd pull those remaining rounds. Weighing a loaded round for a possible 8 grains over seems too iffy for me.
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Old 02-02-2020, 09:30 PM
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Man, that really blows! Just glad you are ok.


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Funny thing is that I am more saddened by the loss of my nice revolver than by my swollen and painful face, plus rather significant blood loss. The picture of my shirt doesn't even come close to representing that part. Now I have to make do with my 6 other 44 magnums until I can get another one like this. Boo hoo wah wah....
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Old 02-02-2020, 09:38 PM
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I appreciate all of your kind words. I was never worried about being judged by you guys, so I have no reason to conceal what happened. I screwed up and lost a damn fine revolver. Anyone who would ridicule someone for a mistake isn't worth listening to anyway. The reason I posted this was to help others avoid the same thing, and get some helpful suggestions from you all. Thanks again!
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Old 02-02-2020, 09:41 PM
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Glad you were not more seriously injured. The last time I saw a revolver like that was in 1976 in the police academy. One of my fellow recruits got into reloading and brought some of his rounds to the range to try before we began training that day. Blew the cylinder and top strap off the department issued Model 10. Fortunately no one injured. He eventually retired after 25 years.

As the Sgt on Hill Street Blues used to say at the end of line up. "Hey-Be careful out there!"
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Old 02-02-2020, 09:42 PM
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[IMG][/IMG]

Hooray, the image finally attached!
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Thanks for that. I got used to just seeing the middle one when i was a cop.
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It wouldn't stop bleeding for nearly a half hour, and it was coming fast too.
My wife gives me a 81 mg aspirin every morning with vitamins.....
I’ve had more than one instance where there was a large pool of blood.

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Well first thing
Thank God he was there with you
My Dad and his best friend reloaded all of my life and we have seen some crazy stuff but this is the most extreme I have ever seen...
I am so glad u were not more seriously hurt...
your face is very easy to make bleed very badly even with a small cut
Anything can be replaced but you are the most important thing
I am so glad you are ok
Thank u for sharing this with us
This is a great thread that all thinking they want reloading info should read first
Even the most experienced of us can have problems with reloading
God Bless,John
Truly sorry you lost your beautiful gun too


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Old 02-02-2020, 10:25 PM
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Gosh, So glad you were not hurt bad. You can replace a gun. Hang in there !!

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Old 02-02-2020, 10:28 PM
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Yikes!! Iím glad youíre ok for the most part and not injured any worse. What a horrific experience to go through... Best wishes.
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Old 02-02-2020, 10:29 PM
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You guys are great. Believe me, I'm not sitting here feeling sorry for myself. But I am feeling very sorry for my gun. I loved that gun.
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Old 02-02-2020, 10:31 PM
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This is the reason I use a turret press, I just don't trust those that automatically throw the charge and then set the bullet. Before I seat bullets, I have X number of charged chases in my loading block and visually check each prior to seating a single bullet. Then as I remove each case from the block, I again visually check it prior to setting it in the press. This should also prevent squibs too. Once, back in the 60s I saw a case of the same thing from factory ammo.
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Glad your ok and sorry about that fine 629.
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Sorry about your revolver but I'm really glad you were not injured worse. Guns can be replaced you can't.


Second that.
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I've seen another 629 do exactly the same thing! That top strap could have slit your throat wide open! You were very lucky!
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Old 02-02-2020, 11:19 PM
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I've seen another 629 do exactly the same thing! That top strap could have slit your throat wide open! You were very lucky!
Thanks TAC. This was no fault of the gun. It was all me. Double charged a case. Sucks, but quite a learning experience.
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Oh, also I am happy to know you are alright and got away with as little trouble as you could have asked for!! 8.4 TG seems a lot and will surely be a rather stout load I guess. I use 3.3 in my 9mm.

That said: How about a squibb? Then your barrel gets sealed off and you fired another round behind it. I guess you looked through whats left of the barrel and there is no obstruction?

I use TG mostly and a lot. I have a light mounted shining in the case before seating and I look into each an every case when I seat the bullet. I am hoping to see any empty case or double charge.

I had a squibb once and caught it...lucky me. Thats when I installed the light.
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That said: How about a squibb? Then your barrel gets sealed off and you fired another round behind it. I guess you looked through whats left of the barrel and there is no obstruction?
The barrel looks good enough to go on another gun. No doubt this was a double charge.
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Thanks TAC. This was no fault of the gun. It was all me. Double charged a case. Sucks, but quite a learning experience.

Something similar happened to a friend of mine. His buddy was reloading .30-06 ammo for an old Remington 742 rifle. He had just purchased a new digital scale and he claimed he got confused with setting grams vs grains. The entire receiver blew up violently into may pieces. Like you, my friend ended up with several pieces of brass embedded deep into his cheek and other parts of his face. Several days later he looked like he was beaten with a baseball bat! Other than a few scars, no other apparent injuries. They also chose to leave one piece in his cheek. The guy didn't even apologize or offer to help pay for medical if needed.


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Glad you posted the photos. That is one of the more perfect example guns I have seen. That gun would make a great display at gun shows. Maybe you could rent it out. Most people haven't got the nerve to tell about their mistakes. I like Titegroup as it is accurate in my 45s. You messed up a nice shirt. Is your pants ok?
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It takes a lot longer but I meticulously measure each charge on a single stage press. I set my powder to drop just under what I want then use a powder trickler to get it spot on. Don’t use any electronic scales either. I know it’s probably not necessary but it works. Slow but very efficient. I also like powders that take up a lot of space. Unique. Trail boss.
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Glad you posted the photos. That is one of the more perfect example guns I have seen. That gun would make a great display at gun shows. Maybe you could rent it out. Most people haven't got the nerve to tell about their mistakes. I like Titegroup as it is accurate in my 45s. You messed up a nice shirt. Is your pants ok?
My pants and underwear are good. Just recently watched "The Revenant" again. With what Glass went through I can't complain about my injury.
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That really sucks losing such a nice (and not inexpensive) revolver. I'm glad you still have all YOUR parts.
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With the amount of blood that was leaking from you, be glad no one applied a tourniquet to your neck to stop the bleeding.
Looks like you've got a couple of spare parts that you can salvage.
Just trying to put a positive spin on a real sucky situation. Glad your are ok, but your face will probably look like **** in 24-48 hours.
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Glad you're OK.

One thing going for you, it's a great picture of the 44 that really needs to be clicked to see full size.
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I'm glad you weren't hurt worse, and I'm amazed you were able to take such a good picture of the aftermath.

If that happened to me I think it would be a long, long time before I pulled the trigger on another reload.
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Can you believe that a tiny hole in the face did this? It wouldn't stop bleeding for nearly a half hour, and it was coming fast too.
Eeeew! The face has lots of blood vessels right up top, so yeah, I believe.

When I was a wee lad my mom was cutting my hair & nicked the top of my ear. Looked like somebody slaughtered a cow!
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Sorry for your accident. Being able to walk away is always a lucky gift, though.
You avoided the need for hospitalization or surgery.

I'd like to share a reloading tip. As I charge each case, I seat the bullet. It's just as fast as charging a tray of cases first, and then seating.
I keep a tray of primed cases and a box of bullets near the press, and when done they go into an ammo box.
Do the same sequence each time. I pour the powder with one hand, hold the case & funnel on the bench with my other. Pick up bullet with my left (never taking my right hand off the case), start it in the case, then run the press.

This began while learning with a Lee Loader. Do the same with RCBS single stage, too. I have a Dillon 650, and I'm probably the slowest user of a progressive press.
Step 1: after tumble cleaning, size & de-prime, usually flare case mouth
Step 2: clean primer pockets and inspect cases
Step 3: reprime cases (sometimes on the Dillon, sometimes with a Lee autoprime)
Step 4: powder weigh (or measure) & seat / crimp. Obviously,
I don't use the case feeder, just insert it under the seat die, with shellplate pin removed.

So, I rarely use more than a couple functions simultaneously with my Dillon. But, it's still pretty time efficient.

Thanks for sharing your accident for our learning and benefit.

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Glad your ok, guns can be replaced.

When reloading no one talks to me thatís my rule.
When doing ten rounds at a time I look inside each round when charged to make sure there evenly charged.
With the progressive presses I look in each case as I install the bullet.
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I caught a piece of shell casing in my left cheek and it bled A LOT! Docs are just going to leave it in there. A souvenir I guess.
Sorry 'bout the loss of your revolver. Everyone else has covered the reloading stuff, so I will not go there.

However, there's always a however isn't there. As a former Army Medic (26 years worth),
I think I would get a second opinion on leaving the piece of casing in your cheek.
If it were me, I'd want it out.

I'm glad the injury's are minor.

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I figure I must have got a double charge somehow. I use a Hornady progressive press and can't understand how I could get a double charge.
I also use a Hornady progressive press. When I first bought mine, I knew there would be a learning curve, so I started out with .357 Magnum and Win 296 / H110 powder. That way, there isn't enough case volume to double charge.

I can't remember what happened, but something interrupted the flow of the process. It seems like maybe I didn't set a bullet straight in the case and buckled the case or something.
Point being, I re-set the shell plate back one position so as to finish the rest of the cycle. When I did that, I forgot about the case that was already charged and double charged it. Luckily all it did was make a mess when the case overflowed.

I wonder if you made a similar mistake with the double charge.
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Ouch! Thanks to God you are OK.
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I haven't had an opportunity to run a Hornady Progressive, so I don't know if there's room to mount a small led light, that shines down on the tops of the cases.

My Dillon 550b has the room, and now a light. Its the best add on accessorie I've ever added, as it all6me to glance down and see if anything looks out of sorts before the bullet goes in.

Did you have any shrapnel in your safety glasses? You are a very fortunate man to have only lost a replaceable firearm. VERY Fortunate! Thanks for the wake up call to the rest of us.

It wouldn't hurt any reloader to have a collection of photos of failures, posted everywhere around the presses.
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And that is why I am still confused by this happening. I was looking in each casing after dropping powder. I must've missed one somehow. I'm going back to the range today to see if I can find more pieces of my gun. I have part of the rear sight and the top strap.
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Glad your are ok, but your face will probably look like **** in 24-48 hours.
Hey, ive had that problem since birth. Now it's just a little easier to scare small children.
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I'd like to share a reloading tip. As I charge each case, I seat the bullet. It's just as fast as charging a tray of cases first, and then seating.
In a kaboom detailed on another forum the owner couldn't understand how it happened because he charged with powder using an RCBS Chargemaster and immediately seated a bullet.

That was I believe Bullseye in a .357 case. The truth is every process is foolproof right up until it's not followed. It's the interruptions by people, malfunctions, or lack of focus that cause these errors. Safety lies not only in the process but also in the protocol for when the process is interrupted unexpectedly.

I'm sure you've loaded for decades without a problem. Me too. I caught myself double-charging a case once after a person interrupted me. I failed to follow my interruption protocol but I realized it almost immediately.

This could happen to anybody.
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Glad you're ok, this could have been much worse.

I installed a Hornady 44660 Lock-N-Load Light Strip inside the front part of the press frame. It lights up the cases when they get to the bullet seating die.

Just a glance down into the case and I can get a visual on whether there's too much powder or not enough in the case. This would probably work on most any press, regardless of the color of it.

https://www.hornady.com/reloading/pr...nd-accessories

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Glad no one was injured.
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When people do something repetitively sometimes their mind starts to just accept stuff. It gets to expecting to see powder in the case and it can see powder in the case when there is none. The eye actually sees empty but, the mind expecting to the powder to be there thinks it is. Something like the level of powder the mind could accept as correct much easier.

Like this. Ask a person to say roast 10 times, after they say it, ask them what they stick in a toaster. They will all say toast, but we actually stick bread in a toaster and take toast out. Mind locks on patterns.
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Thanks for sharing. It is easy to get complacent, reminds us all to slow down and be a little safer.

I like no distractions when reloading. One time I put the radio on and realized I was paying less attention.

Hope your feeling better.
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Glad you escaped without more serious injury.
I also use a Hornacek lock n load. When I started I figured on a learning curve.
First loads were mild 38 spcl. My goof up was squib loads. First cylinder, second shot and I lodged a slug into the forcing cone just far enough that it would not allow the cylinder to turn.
Back home I went and pulled all 498 loads that remained. Found 17 cases not charged.
Started over and came up with a protocol that assured all cases were inspected.
Using a progressive requires a very clear mind and extreme focus to assure safety. Now when I load there is nobody allowed to interrupt, no TV, no radio, just loading. I have not had a problem since.
Hornady claimed something like 400 loaded rounds an hour. I may get 250 due to a very deliberate process.
Glad these incidents get posted. Reminds us all that safety is paramount when loading and that even the most experienced among us can Make a mistake.
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WoW, that’s some scary sh... stuff right there! Glad you’re ok. Poor gun.
I’m fairly new to reloading ( few years) and I worry about stuff like this all the time which causes me to be extremely cautious when reloading.
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Glad that you are okay. Sorry for that beautiful piece, but remember eventually you can buy another one. The good thing here is that you get minimum injuries.

Us reloaders have to check, double check and verify every little step to avoid accidents.

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Using a progressive requires a very clear mind and extreme focus to assure safety. Now when I load there is nobody allowed to interrupt, no TV, no radio, just loading. I have not had a problem since.
Reminds us all that safety is paramount when loading and that even the most experienced among us can Make a mistake.
Same goes with me. I lock my self in my cave to avoid distraction from my wife, kids, dogs or cats. Safety comes first, always.
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