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Old 02-06-2020, 11:32 PM
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LGS has a 3" 60-10 adjustable. Nice shape but not pristine. Box with label but no papers or tools. Label indicates 1996. Is the -10 the current model? Do the current models have the IL?
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:13 AM
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Current model, last one I know of anyway (60-15?), has the IL and the -10 is from 1996 so the label is probably original. I have one and it is my favorite J frame 357. These carry a bit of a premium, at least where I shop, and I'd probably grab it if the price is at all reasonable. Likely a $600+ gun where I shop and they don't turn up too often. Recently found a 60-4 (the 38 special version) which I got for $500 which I thought was a pretty good price. Good luck.

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I've been hunting a deal on one of these for months. One just sold tonight on GB for 615+25 shipping. No box, non original grips.

That's too rich for my blood with no original effects, although I do want one pretty bad. I was a buyer at about 575 shipped so needless to say I bowed out with over an hour left.

The DASH-10 is a prelock gun. They were chambered in 38spl and 357mag.
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A 60-10 is my winter time carry gun. It's a great choice for a trail gun too. Very versatile and accurate.
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LGS has a 3" 60-10 adjustable. Nice shape but not pristine. Box with label but no papers or tools. Label indicates 1996. Is the -10 the current model? Do the current models have the IL?
The -9s and -10 were the last prelok Model 60s produced. The only new S&W revolvers without the lock are "centennial" models.

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I'd love to stumble across a 60-10. I have a 60-4 and 60-15, both are superbly accurate. The -15 thinks its a mini 686 and I suppose it is. They make great hiking pistols and hunting companions.
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It took 4 years for me to find a -10 in my area at a price I could live with. I passed on a couple in the mid $500 range thinking it was to much, but bit the bullet a few months back on a super clean one with correct box and grips plus a new set of Altamonts at $625. Had a -15 that I shot/carried and loved untill I found the -10. They won't get any cheaper.
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My range has a rental 60-15 for sale at $600. meh.


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I've had my 60-10 ,.357 for about 15 years or so .......it's the perfect "kit Gun" for Penn's Woods.

Not seen for sale very often around here..... if you think it's to priced $100 ot high;
Subtract your age from 70 ..... divide the $100 by that number to get the annual premium ........... for a lot of folks it works out to the equivalent of one or two cups of coffee a year.
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My friend and shooting buddy made the mistake of showing me his Model 60-4 many years ago. After that, nothing would do until I had one of my own, so he found one for me, NIB, but no tools or papers. I’ve acquired the tools since and due to the lack of likelihood I’ll ever sell it, the papers are pretty much immaterial.

Another friend had the dash 10 version and sold it... he just felt (as an octogenarian) that he wouldn’t need to carry or use it, so he let it go. I’m not sure I would have done so until they “pried it from my cold dead fingers.”

I’m not sure that there is that much advantage to having the 357 chambering, which I would be unlikely to ever use, but that wouldn’t deter me from buying a dash ten if that was the adjustable sighted Model 60 I found... I just wouldn’t pay a premium for the chambering.

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My friend and shooting buddy made the mistake of showing me his Model 60-4 many years ago. After that, nothing would do until I had one of my own, so he found one for me, NIB, but no tools or papers. I’ve acquired the tools since and due to the lack of likelihood I’ll ever sell it, the papers are pretty much immaterial.

Another friend had the dash 10 version and sold it... he just felt (as an octogenarian) that he wouldn’t need to carry or use it, so he let it go. I’m not sure I would have done so until they “pried it from my cold dead fingers.”

I’m not sure that there is that much advantage to having the 357 chambering, which I would be unlikely to ever use,
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LOL...... ya the .357 is a bit much.....Not for a days shooting at the range but in an emergency at point blank range..............Pa. Black Bear, coyote or feral dog .......
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The 60-10 does have MIM parts. At least mine does. It doesn’t bother me, but it might bother others. That said, I wouldn’t hesitate a second to buy a decent -10 version, but the -4 is my favorite of the two, I suppose mostly just for sentimental reasons. It’s a ‘prettier” gun, and it has all the power I need in this type of revolver. The other side of that coin is that it doesn’t hurt for the revolver to be chambered for .357, in case you are somewhere and lose your ammunition - .357 might be all you can find.
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A 60-4 is one of my carpenter bee guns.
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As you can see, the 3" Chiefs Special Target is a favorite revolver among many of your fellow Forum members . . . myself included

I have three at the moment. An older original blue 3" Chiefs Special Target, a newer blue 3" Chiefs Special Target and one of the Lew Horton stainless 3" Chiefs Special Target "Small Hunter" revolvers




The 3" guns are VERY accurate. If I were wearing your shoes, that revolver would already be at my house and have has a good cleaning

Go back and get it. If you do not love it, I am certain that someone here on the Forum will gladly take it off your hands
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I love my -10.

Scuttlebutt has it there are a few out there with forged hammers and triggers if you need a "quest for the grail".
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LOL...... ya the .357 is a bit much.....Not for a days shooting at the range but in an emergency at point blank range..............Pa. Black Bear, coyote or feral dog .......
I figure if I can't defend myself with FBI loads in 38 Spl (Federal blue Ny-Clad) I'm probably someplace I shouldn't be or I should have a shotgun in hand anyway. A manageable 357 in a J-frame wouldn't be that much of a step up, IMHO.

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OK, thanks for the responses. What are the original grips for the -10? It's wearing rubber that looks much like the rubber on the current model. The label has a SN of CBM776X, a product code of 102430 and a Special Order code of 6292. Asking price of $550. I'll go by in an hour or so and make an OTD offer, if it's still there. I don't need it but if the grips are correct I'll probably go $525 OTD but try $500.
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OK, thanks for the responses. What are the original grips for the -10? It's wearing rubber that looks much like the rubber on the current model. The label has a SN of CBM776X, a product code of 102430 and a Special Order code of 6292. Asking price of $550. I'll go by in an hour or so and make an OTD offer, if it's still there. I don't need it but if the grips are correct I'll probably go $525 OTD but try $500.
That revolver was manufactured on October 19th of 1986

Even at $550 I would be a buyer. Those are great little revolvers
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Well I broke my rule and went over my predetermined maximum price. I did $537 OTD. Bad on me as that's a rule I don't break.
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Well worth it for this piece, IMO.
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If you paid under $600 you did good. Both of mine were around $550 which is why I have 2, they were a steal at that price.

One of mine has a mim trigger and the other one forged. The 60-10 was built right at the change
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OK, thanks for the responses. What are the original grips for the -10? It's wearing rubber that looks much like the rubber on the current model. The label has a SN of CBM776X, a product code of 102430 and a Special Order code of 6292. Asking price of $550. I'll go by in an hour or so and make an OTD offer, if it's still there. I don't need it but if the grips are correct I'll probably go $525 OTD but try $500.
Those are probably the OEM grips. My first one (long story) was wearing a set of Hogue wood combats and I really liked them. Enough that I still consider putting them on my -10 now.
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You'll be a winner in the long run...that is one of the best .357s S&W ever made...

I've had my two so long I only paid $350 each used for them...and like colt_saa one of them turned out to be one of the Lew Horton Small Hunters. Was lucky enough to get a confirmation letter last year from LH as now they are out of business...

Also had one of the 3" 60-4s that was a gun one of my friend's mother had a pair of. She could no longer handle the recoil so she sold them... I think my friend kept the other one. I sold it after I found the Small Hunter but last year while looking through my safe found what I thought was one of the -10s and turned out to be a -4...and I'm not sure where or when I bought it. Also have a -1 with adjustable sight that I bought new in the 1980s...

Perfect gun for taking a walk anywhere...

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Yeah, there was no S&W on the exterior of the grips but there is on the inside. It would look better with wood. Now I need leather. I was thinking a carved leather looking sorta Western style to go with yet unknown wood.
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ps...just checked the GB completed auctions...only 5 sold in the last 90 days...$560 the cheapest and $692 the most expensive...plus $25-35.00 worth of postage...

I would not be too mad at yourself for breaking the rule...you are already ahead of everyone else..
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A nice El Paso Saddlery Austin or Tom Threepersons would look nice...
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1930 “Austin” Holster – El Paso Saddlery

1920 “Tom Threeperson’s” – 2″ to 7 1/2″ Barrels – El Paso Saddlery
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Personally, I've always felt that the little 3" HB with Factory adjustable sights was one of the best, 'light duty', woods or Kit Guns. It will handle everything from he old .38 Short Colt loads, Shot Loads, & depending upon chambering, a nice heavy 158 LSW-HP, or if in .357 Magnum, even an 180 JSP. Now that's versatility !! If I ever happened across one with Factory Magna Porting, I would jump on it.

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My aunt bought a 3" 60-10 years ago, mid '80's maybe (CBC34xx). Kept it under her pillow for years, never shot it. Gave it to me around 10 years ago. What's not to like? Stainless, adjustable sights, a small big gun. It goes everywhere with me in a Bianchi 7 OWB, loaded with some old 110gr 357 HP that shoot just fine. I added a 3-finger S&W rubber grip for my big hands, still conceals just fine. I used to alternate with a 45 semi, but nobody would argue that a 357 is very useful when you gotta get out of Dodge.
During bow season I swap out for some 158gr JSP. Very versatile and easy to carry.
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That's a very nice score Marty, I 'm sure it should serve you well. However, if I were you, I would replace those 110 .357 Loads with something more modern & efficient. If you feel that a .38Spl.+P will suit your needs OK, then you should pick up a few boxes is Speer 135 GDHP+P, or perhaps the new Federal 130 Personal Defense HP+P Load. Another suitable choice would be the Remington 125 GSHP+P. If you feel better with .357 Magnum, well there's numerous choices there too. Personally, unless I'm using say Remington's 125 GSHP in .357, which was designed to be an mid-range Magnum, I just don't care for the excessive muzzle blast & recoil of the Magnum, unless it's used for animal defence, & then I'd choose an all together different Load, like the one from Buffalo Bore. Just be advised that your .357 110 JHP's were not designed to penetrate, but rather expand, & I personally shy away from them. All in all, provided you adapt our ammunition to its intended purpose, that little 3" M-60 will serve you quite well. Good Luck,

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I would have to respectfully disagree with the assessment that the 110s would not be a good defense round for the 3"...

The loss of 1" of barrel length will reduce velocity 50-100 fps and would make bullet blowup far less probable...that and how much penetration does one need on an average human...

If I'm carrying a .357 Magnum the LAST thing I would ever stick in it would be a .38 Special of any variety...I'll take a little more muzzle blast that I'm not going to even notice anyway when defending what's most important...my life....

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I just picked up a 60-15 Pro Series used from the local pawn shop. It was used, but had the box and all papers. Paid $550+ tax. Got it to the range and saw the rear sight was cranked all the way down. Once I got it adjusted, it turned out to be very accurate out to 10 yds., as this was the longest distance on that part of the range. Can't wait to shoot it at 15-25 yds and see what she can do.
I agree with SuperMan regarding the carrying of full-house .357 loads. I sighted in with some American Gunner 125's and also with the old stand-by Federal 125's. Not something I would want to shoot 100 rds. of for sure, but the 50 or so that I fired got me sighted in and well familiarized with this nice little revolver. It is my first ever J-Frame after 40+ years of shooting. It carries so nicely, that I may even consider retiring my well worn, well used Mod. 13-3".
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will... I did some test shooting out to 10 yards on a timer with my 60-10 and 3" 65-3.... There was very little difference in time or accuracy when trying to hit single or multiple targets as quickly as possible... Tried both guns with .357s and .38s...

The PRO is a nice looking gun...

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Well I cleaned up the little 3 incher and popped off about 55 rounds of mixed ammo at my back yard woodpile. All factory FMJ, JHP or JFP, both 38 and .357. I was shooting at 7 yrds then 15 yrds. First thing I noticed was the sights aren't the best for these older eyes, but Oh Well! Maybe some fingernail polish?

The sights were set way to the right but the barrel doesn't looked canted so I centered them. Started with 38's and found the sights set way too low, so I raised them. They were bottomed out.

I was shooting to the left but discovered the small grip was causing bad trigger finger placement so adjusted that. Unfortunately my natural inclination is to stick my finger in too far. Not sure how to fix the grip without putting stupid looking large grips on it.

The 38s were most all older 38 +P duty rounds left over from qualifications over the years (my old 60 no -). Old RP JHP and early Speer GD's and a few Federal Hydroshocks. A very few Fed FMJ's 38s that weren't +P and several Speer Lawman 125 grain TMJ non +Ps. All were very pleasant shooting with mild recoil. I also shot about 5 or so aluminum Blazer 357 JHP's. They were obviously hotter than any of the 38s, +P or not, but very tolerable other than the difficult extraction. Also 3 orphaned Federal .357 JHP Hydroshocks. They were also very tolerable. Other than the Lawman rounds I'd just be guessing on the bullet weight of the rest as they weren't in their boxes.

I also popped off 5 158 grain .357 Federal American Eagle JFPs that were still in the box. Being the American Eagle label I figured they would be mild - NOT. Those were the only rounds I would call unpleasant out of the little gun. They didn't hurt but definitely had recoil that would slow your timing down a bunch. Compared to everything else they were a surprise. They also shot a lot higher. With how thin the forcing cone is on that gun, and being so little and thin walled in general, I wonder on the advisability of firing very many rounds like those.

Overall it seems like a nice little gun.
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I agree. Generally, I save my full-charge .357s for bigger guns. The Hydrashok .357s were 158 grain. They’re usually pretty sturdy. I find them intolerable in my 340PD. I do shoot a few .357s in my 340, but usually nothing heavier than 145 grain Winchester STHPs. I prefer he recoil of 125 grain .357s in that gun, but I don’t use them because I don’t think they make a lot of sense.
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Well I cleaned up the little 3 incher and popped off about 55 rounds of mixed ammo at my back yard woodpile. All factory FMJ, JHP or JFP, both 38 and .357. I was shooting at 7 yrds then 15 yrds. First thing I noticed was the sights aren't the best for these older eyes, but Oh Well! Maybe some fingernail polish?

The sights were set way to the right but the barrel doesn't looked canted so I centered them. Started with 38's and found the sights set way too low, so I raised them. They were bottomed out.

I was shooting to the left but discovered the small grip was causing bad trigger finger placement so adjusted that. Unfortunately my natural inclination is to stick my finger in too far. Not sure how to fix the grip without putting stupid looking large grips on it.

The 38s were most all older 38 +P duty rounds left over from qualifications over the years (my old 60 no -). Old RP JHP and early Speer GD's and a few Federal Hydroshocks. A very few Fed FMJ's 38s that weren't +P and several Speer Lawman 125 grain TMJ non +Ps. All were very pleasant shooting with mild recoil. I also shot about 5 or so aluminum Blazer 357 JHP's. They were obviously hotter than any of the 38s, +P or not, but very tolerable other than the difficult extraction. Also 3 orphaned Federal .357 JHP Hydroshocks. They were also very tolerable. Other than the Lawman rounds I'd just be guessing on the bullet weight of the rest as they weren't in their boxes.

I also popped off 5 158 grain .357 Federal American Eagle JFPs that were still in the box. Being the American Eagle label I figured they would be mild - NOT. Those were the only rounds I would call unpleasant out of the little gun. They didn't hurt but definitely had recoil that would slow your timing down a bunch. Compared to everything else they were a surprise. They also shot a lot higher. With how thin the forcing cone is on that gun, and being so little and thin walled in general, I wonder on the advisability of firing very many rounds like those.

Overall it seems like a nice little gun.
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Try Birchwood Casey's Super Bright Touch Up Sight Pens. I tried them on my 13, and am pleased with the results-especially outdoors. My front sight now glows like a fiber optic sight. Follow the directions to the letter, but a word of caution; the paint comes out of the pen tip rather abundantly, so take a q-tip and cut off the cotton end. Apply the paint from the pen to the cut-off stick and use it as a makeshift applicator. Much less messy that way.
Also, for grips, go to altamontco.com They have a very good selection of grips for every S&W revolver frame size. I've purchased several pairs for different revolvers and am very pleased with the quality, looks and function.
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Next time I go to the range, I'll try those comparison drills.
What are you using for leather?
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When I did the comparison drill I did it from low ready to make sure I was only testing the gun and loads and not my draw...

The drill is what I call the 1-2-3 Drill
#1) Single Body Shot
#2) Two Body Shots
#3) Two Body Shots, One Head Shot

Target is any old silhouette target with a piece of typing paper on the chest and a cut in half 6" paper desert plate on the forehead. A miss, any miss, voids the round and has to be repeated. There were no misses.

Done at 3-5-7-10 yards. Everything is timed and written down for comparison later..

What I do have for holsters for each now, and is not pictured above, is the DeSantis Speed Scabbard. They make runs of them for both the 3" K and J once in a while...just have to call them and ask if they have any...

I bought the Speed Scabbard for the 60-10 from a friend who ordered a Silver Dollar Pancake from Simply Rugged and liked it more... The fishscaled Simply Rugged above is for a 4" K but fits the J just fine...

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oink...the grips I have on mine are the Pachmayer Compact...really do a great job of mitigating recoil without being cumbersome...
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