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Old 03-25-2020, 12:18 PM
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I have a ported M60-9 I'm considering carrying.

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Old 03-25-2020, 12:28 PM
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Have a model 13 PC but have not shot it enough to start carrying it. What little bit I have shot it I am pleased with everything but the porting. Time will tell but right now leaning toward not being fond of the porting.
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I carry a Shield 45 Performance Center everyday. The PC Shields are ported. I really like it. One of the softest shooting 45s I've ever shot, especially for such a small (and polymer frame) handgun. You'll get a ton of mixed reviews and opinions on this issue. But me personally, I love it. It is the only ported pistol I've ever carried.
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Almost all revolvers are ported,,, aka the BC gap..
[well there is that russian thing!!!!!]
PS I have a quad port SP101 357 I carry from time to time.....

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Sure, my factory ported Colt Defender. Best carry gun I have.

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While no longer an EDC, I have qualified with and carried a 629-3, Lew Horton Carry Comp (aka Mag Comp). I have also qualified with and carried a Camfour 629-6 without a compensator. In both I use 200 grain Gold Dot Hollow Point .44 Special rounds. I have noticed no appreciable difference in whether or not the gun has the compensator. There is a .5 inch difference in the guns and there is no appreciable difference in muzzle flash, noise or recoil between the two.

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I have carried ported revolvers for decades. Everything from small bores like these chambered for 356TSW



To bigger things like this Titanium 41 Magnum snubby



And others in between

Other than having a realistic view of how porting works, there is not a down side

However there will be lots of folks talking about blinding muzzle blast if fired at night, setting your clothes on fire if fired from retention and the enormous increase in muzzle blast for little to no return

There are probably a dozen similar threads on the Forum over the past couple of years you will find the discussions quite polarized

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What if a ported handgun had to be fired with the butt of the gun against your chest or against your own belly?

Having never shot such a firearm I am wondering about the ported blast being directed into my/your face. Is this a danger?
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Pretty much every reputable instructor has the same opinion for the same reasons regarding why it’s probably a good idea to avoid porting on a defensive weapon yet we see the same old nonsense and false assertions repeated over and over again.
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What if a ported handgun had to be fired with the butt of the gun against your chest or against your own belly?

Having never shot such a firearm I am wondering about the ported blast being directed into my/your face. Is this a danger?
Yes it is and has been stated, witnessed and documented as such by numerous instructors.
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What if a ported handgun had to be fired with the butt of the gun against your chest or against your own belly?

Having never shot such a firearm I am wondering about the ported blast being directed into my/your face. Is this a danger?
Obviously you do not want this near your face when you touch it off.

Porting is a personal preference, and if you have a hand cannon, I suppose everything you can do to reduce recoil is an added benefit. However, the only thing that really kills recoil is weight. My preference is no porting. I do not like the looks, and it devalues the gun, and you even had to pay for that privilege.
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What if a ported handgun had to be fired with the butt of the gun against your chest or against your own belly?

Having never shot such a firearm I am wondering about the ported blast being directed into my/your face. Is this a danger?
Well, if it were a ported auto loader, you probably would not get a second round cambered, the back of the slide might cut into your chest or belly and you might get some debris in your face if the ports were very close to your face . . . but you did this because your life was in jeopardy

If we are talking about a revolver, you might get some debris. The slide and auto loading issues are not in play here

It is just hard to think of a scenario where my gun is that close to my face

The best thing that you can do, is try it for yourself.
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Well smith came out with the 586 comp/ ported, then the 19,, lets hope for a 3" M60 ported, be on that like white on rice
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This 3" 29 is easier to shoot with porting (Magnaport). The hotter the load the better the porting works. Lead bullets are messy in a ported revolver. Enough shooting and the gray lead and lube smoke obliterates the front sight. Enough shooting defined as 30 or more rounds of Bullseye or another "dirty" powder.
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No. Holes drilled in your barrel accomplish little to nothing. Except make it louder and harder to clean.
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I have a Wiegand custom S&W 442 that I carry regularly with Crimson Trace grips. It has a 3 hydroport, 2.25" heavy weight barrel (Jarvis?). It shoots smoothly, recoil is minimal considering it's weight compared to a another Airweight I shoot--it does make a difference for me. I haven't shot it at night so I can't talk about flash.
If one were to shoot such a revolver from a defensive position close to your face or body I'd consider making it a habit to cant the barrel about 45 degrees away from your body, clothing or face. You'll still get flash from the cylinder gap, but at least not from the ports.

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it isn't a smith or a revolver but there is a springfield 1911 full sized P-12 on my hip which is a factory ported 1911 45 acp
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Well smith came out with the 586 comp/ ported, then the 19,, lets hope for a 3" M60 ported, be on that like white on rice
There have been 4 or 5 offered by the Factory over the years

I think this Model 60 Carry Comp was one of the first



Just when the J-magnums were coming out the Factory produced this Model 60 Small Hunter in 357 Magnum



Most all of these were small runs, but they are out there
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I've been carrying a comp'ed Officers Model for a couple of decades. Everyone who shoots it is amazed at how it tames the recoil of the .45.

There's no serious reason to not have a ported or comp'ed gun. All the downsides I've seen noted over the years have been fiction, or just due to an ignorance borne from not having used one and just passing on things said by others, who also had never used one.
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Almost all revolvers are ported,,, aka the BC gap..
Last time I checked, the BC gap doesn't direct gas and powder upwards.
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I've been carrying a comp'ed Officers Model for a couple of decades. Everyone who shoots it is amazed at how it tames the recoil of the .45.

There's no serious reason to not have a ported or comp'ed gun. All the downsides I've seen noted over the years have been fiction, or just due to an ignorance borne from not having used one and just passing on things said by others, who also had never used one.
Call me strange, but I put a very high value on protecting my eyesight. You could simply never practice shooting from compressed and retention postures and negate most of the risks, but that is poor training IMO since there stands a reasonably high chance you might have to do so if ever forced into using your carry weapon for personal defense.

Craig Douglas actually banned the ported Shield from his classes(which incorporate a lot of retention shooting) after having some potentially very dangerous incidents occurred....

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Here’s a few quotes from some other well known instructors regarding using ported guns for defensive purposes....

“The biggest negative thing I see with the porting is that if you have to fire from a retention position, it will blast hot gases and debris up toward your eyes. That's not just a distraction; it could cause permanent vision damage, and at the worst possible time.” - Massad Ayoob

“I don’t like ported barrels on self-defense guns nor do I care for them on range training guns. The clearest danger is the risk of hot, explosive gases vented up into the shooters eyes and face.” - Michael de Bethencourt

“Ported barrels can be downright dangerous when fired from retention. I have personally seen where what appeared to be part of the jacket embed itself into the face of one of our officers during retention training. Even if no hard particles leave the port, the gas definitely is directed straight into your face.” - Mike Moore, Gunsite Academy Instructor

“I have zero use for the comped Glocks. I have seen people injured from shooting them from retention and not getting the gun canted outboard enough before pulling the trigger.” - Chuck Haggard

“I do know one thing about the retention position. It sucks when one is using a ported gun!” - Marty Hayes
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My only comped guns are the 460V and the 500- those cartridges need it.

Per the above, as they're both shoulder carry, there's little chance of getting a face full of c*** like one would get with a conventional holster
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I ported my 9mm G43. Shoots as soft as my G42 .380 now - it’s very easy to stay on target. I love it.

She barks though.
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not a fan of ports on carry pieces... the night blind argument is only mildly valid... night shooting always involves a flash... ports just put a bit up vertically in you line of sight... most people never train in low light conditions and will never know what it is really like until it is too late... shooting on nice sunny afternoons at the range is not the only way you should to do it
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Last time I checked, the BC gap doesn't direct gas and powder upwards.
I believe the BC Gap goes all the way around, so it in fact does to a degree. Also on most ported guns the ports direct out a 45, not straight up.
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I believe the BC Gap goes all the way around, so it in fact does to a degree. Also on most ported guns the ports direct out a 45, not straight up.
Seriously?

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Porting was all the rage in the mid-80s.

I had a 3" 65 tricked out ...included magna-porting the barrel.

The porting had an "impact" if I was shooting full bore .357s..... but for self-defense I found myself carrying +P.38 hollow points...... which didn't get much impact from the porting. In the end I wished I'd not ported it.

I think it can be useful in full bore long barreled magnums used for hunting.
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I have this one. A Taurus 617 TTi.
TTi stands for T-otal Ti-tanium. 7-shot 357 mag.
3 holes drilled along each side of the the front sight blade.
The porting helps control muzzle flip making the recoil more straight back into the hand rather than so much torquing upwards. The soft rubber grips covering the backstrap helps too.
On such a light gun, shooting magnum rounds, every little bit of recoil dampening is a very welcome thing!
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Not a carry gun, but I once owned a Dan Wesson 4” 44 mag. One of the barrels was a ported one. It got shot a couple times with jacketed loads. Then it was never installed again.
Too noisy and I did not think there was enough of a difference in recoil to offset the blast.
Maybe in a less powerful round it would more tolerable.
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I have a factory (factory sent them out to Magnaport) ported 3" 629 Trail Boss. I carry it sometimes. I like it and haven't had any issues with the porting. I've shot it at dusk. There is some flash but I don't think it's that much worse with the porting.
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Nice! You may know this but that factory ported Colt Defender is a pretty scarce/ rare piece. Colt made very few of those at the time the Defenders first came out 1998. A small batch went to Lew Horton specifically and then another small run were sent out to other distributors. To this date Colt has not offered another ported semi-auto since other than maybe an individuals custom order. A factory compensated model, called Comp Commander was released later but no other ported ones by Colt.

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Only issue I have with ported guns is cleaning them, which sucks. I've carried them, trained with them and see no downsides in use.
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Porting was all the rage in the mid-80s.

I had a 3" 65 tricked out ...included magna-porting the barrel.

The porting had an "impact" if I was shooting full bore .357s..... but for self-defense I found myself carrying +P.38 hollow points...... which didn't get much impact from the porting. In the end I wished I'd not ported it.

I think it can be useful in full bore long barreled magnums used for hunting.
Those of us old enough to have seen this before - and wise enough to have not forgotten the lessons learned - will see the current porting fad for exactly what it is.

At best it's just another crutch for people who either don't put in the time and effort to learn to shoot a handgun well - the "it stays on target so nice" - or are shooting too small a handgun for the cartridge - the "lighter is always better for concealed carry" crowd.

They get a lot of emotional and verbal support from people who have either never or have only rarely shot a ported handgun from a retention position.

When you have a lot of people who have fired no rounds or a low number of rounds with a ported handgun from a retention position with no issues, it creates a compelling ad populum argument in support of porting. However, the folks who think it's a good idea because "a lot of people do it" apparently fail to realize that an ad populum argument is still just a logical fallacy.

The fact is that if you shoot a ported handgun from a retention position long enough, you WILL get hurt. It's just like playing the slots in Vegas; you'll get lucky and feel like it's a great idea in the short term, but the longer you play the more you are going to lose - guaranteed.

You also run the real risk of getting hurt or at least distracted at the worst possible time.

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Someone above said weight is the best way to manage recoil and that comment was exactly on point.

The answer to reducing recoil in a Model 60 isn't a ported barrel, it's stepping up to a Model 66 or a 686+. I've carried all three and a 2 1/2" or 3" Model 66 and 686+ is not uncomfortable to carry all day long, and you WILL shoot them far more effectively than a Model 60, ported or otherwise.

Similarly, a porting a 9mm semi-auto is equally pointless. If you can't control the recoil of a 9mm, you're either skills deficient or you are shooting an excessively light 9mm. The Sig 938, Kimber Micro 9, etc, are great to carry but are subpar when it comes to shooting fast and accurately and the recoil is enough that most shooters won't put 100 rounds through one in a ranger session (and many that do develop a flinch.)

Again there's almost no downside in properly executed concealed carry to stepping up to a larger 9mm, like a CZ 2075 RAMI, or a CZ 75 Compact.

People who think they need to carry a ported .44 Magnum need to take a serious look at real world shoots and the relative effectiveness of the .357 Magnum versus the .44 Magnum. The very little extra juice you might get from a .44 Magnum just isn't worth the squeeze, especially if you have to port your .44 Magnum.

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I carry my 586L-comp at work as an RSO where I know it would be used in open areas but do not consider it a viable carry gun for other purposes due to the potential of eye damage if used in close quarters, ie car, etc.
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What if a ported handgun had to be fired with the butt of the gun against your chest or against your own belly?

Having never shot such a firearm I am wondering about the ported blast being directed into my/your face. Is this a danger?
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Pretty much every reputable instructor has the same opinion for the same reasons regarding why it’s probably a good idea to avoid porting on a defensive weapon yet we see the same old nonsense and false assertions repeated over and over again.
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Bingo! I would not want hot gsr blowing into my face if I ever had to fire with the handgun close to my body.
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C&P of an old post I made on the Oklahoma forum. I still carry it from time to time.
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Here is a photograph of my EDC, a S&W Model 65 4" barrel RB with Mag-Na-Porting. It started life as a Square Butt, but the folks in Michigan took care of this when they did the porting.




It is pretty obvious that it has been around the block a few times, but the gun is as reliable as they come.

The holster is a FIST kydex, made in Brooklyn, NY, for an L-frame, but it still fits the K-frame pretty well.
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I don't carry very often, but when I do, I carry this model 19-3:



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What if a ported handgun had to be fired with the butt of the gun against your chest or against your own belly?

Having never shot such a firearm I am wondering about the ported blast being directed into my/your face. Is this a danger?
Why on earth would you be holding a gun against your chest or stomach and firing it?

To the original question I owned a ported revolver, a Taurus 445 which is similar to a Bulldog. After owning that gun I'm sold on porting. Also Shot a friends .40 S&W GLOCK which was ported and liked that one too.
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Sure do !
Taurus 455 , 5 shot 45 acp, 2 inch , ported barrel , cushy gripper grips .
Extremely accurate , pleasant to shoot . I can't prove the porting lessens the recoil but it sure seems like it does .
Shooting the ported snub nose does not cause me any problems whatsoever . I don't get hit with porting blast while shooting .
I LOVE this little Big Bore Belly Gun... it rocks.
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