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Do you think these are the original grips on this one? What is the proper name/term for these grips? Is the 4" barrel right for this or an oddity? Was the 16-4 ever offered in a stainless version? Any info on age? Value?

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Your gun looks correct to me. The stocks are square-butt “combat” stocks. The 4-inch barrel was one of three lengths offered - 4, 6, and 8-3/8”. The gun was never produced in a stainless version. Nice gun. I have no idea what it’s worth in today’s market.

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I'm guessing the gun would sell for about $850-$950 and I like the combat grips and they were a fairly common accessory but the Model 16 was about the only Smith I can think of that came with them from the factory.
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That revolver is entirely correct as shown, and square butt “combats” just as M29 said. The 16-4 was only offered with a full barrel underlug. About 8,000 were made. The 4-inch typically seems to be the most sought after. The 6-inch was likely the most common.

There was a time (seems like not long ago) where S&W gave up trying to sell these as the demand was about nil. They dumped a slew of them to wholesalers and these could be bought NIB for peanuts.

As we have seen many times... they are hugely desired these days. A “shooter grade” 16-4 with obvious wear and no box and missing the combat stocks still sells for $750-$850 all day long. Medium grade with wear and dings but with original combats and you are talking $900-$1000.

NIB or extremely high grade and with all original goodies and collectors trade them at $1400 and beyond.

Nope, never made in stainless or nickel. They were made from around 1989 to 1992, if I remember correctly.
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Cool gun. The serial number prefix puts it from the summer of 1989.
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Yes, those are the correct stocks. Probably dates to 88 or 89.

Looks just like my 6".
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Sevens is right on the mark as usual.

After watching for several months, I just paid $1300 for a beauty and thought I got a deal. It did come with a 100 used brass and bullets, the box, and the paperwork.

If you are .32 junky, this is THE gun. It saddens me to see how many have bored to 327fm; when I think the 32 H&Rmag is actually finding more fans who shoot both calibers.

Gunbroker says last one sold was $1575. They rarely come up for auction. Like the S&W 631, their price has gone up big time in the last year. I don't have a clue where the $750 estimate came from. That would be a steal !!!

and the combat finger groove grips will grow on you over time.


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Sure you can get it in Stainless, you just have to build it yourself. Here is my Model 616, the gun S&W should have built but never did. Note the grips present when this photo was made.

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Sevens got all the details correct for your revolver. The last M16-4 I've seen for sale a month ago was an excellent condition 6" with an asking price of $1,300 which I thought was a reasonable price.

Green Frog: I'll be tossing and turning all night with that picture of you 616 project driving me insane.
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That there is a beautiful and very desirable piece, especially the 4”. Anything under $1200 without the box and goodies would be a good deal.
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Very nice outcome, Froggie
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My 16-4, serial #BEH2395, shipped in December, 1989. I would guess your friend's gun was shipped about that time also, +/- a month or so. He got a nice one!
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Sure you can get it in Stainless, you just have to build it yourself. Here is my Model 616, the gun S&W should have built but never did. Note the grips present when this photo was made.

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I can testify, that Froggie's revolver is a MOST desirable piece of ordnance! After seeing it in person, handling it, and shooting it, it is a DANDY!

The entire project from start to finish was/is just flat out compelling!

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Those are the correct grips. The revolver is easily a $1,400 gun.
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Some may scoff at reaming it to .327 Fed but the K frame is such a good fit for the cartridge, so unless you go the “Project 616” route, what’s a guy to do? Top is converted. Bottom remains stock.
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In the effort to answer your question on value, both of mine are complete packages (box, papers, etc). The top (converted) has more signs of being shot; turn line, etc. but I wouldn't sell either for $1400 and have far less than that in them.

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Neat revolvers, seems like unless your a collector reaming one to .327 is not a bad idea unless it messes up the accuracy.
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No guarantees, but with mine, it shoots everything (.32, .32 Long, .32 mag and .327 mag) exceptionally well except .32 ACP.
That's why mine are not for sale.

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Jack,

I think I'm your scoffer.

In all candor:
I haven't had my 16-4 long enough to quit fondling it. So I'm in the honeymoon phase and am just so in love she seems perfect. I'm betting you recognize that stage yourself.

However, like you, I do dearly appreciate the fun I've had with my 327fm's. Maybe in a month or two I will feel different. Most of the guys on here that I respect have already reamed to 327fm so I know I would be in good company.

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I frequently watch these on GB. If one wants one in the condition and configuration of the OP's the starting number is north of $1200. I may have missed a few but I haven't seen one hammer for less than a grand in quite some time. Those grips are bringing $250-300.

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It is most definitely a great country oddshooter. And to each their own.
I guess if more a collector, don't convert but if wanting a gun that's a hoot to shoot, you might try it (with Federal AE 100 gr JSP) but sounds like youre familiar with the fed mag.
That's why I have both an untouched LNIB and an excellent plus converted shooter...
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The 16-4’s are definitely cool guns. The 8” & 4” are less common then the 6” version. Had my 4” reamed to .327 by Andy Horvath and the value may hold because someone would love a S&W K frame in .327. Smith didn’t make one so you have to make it your self or make a stainless one like Froggie did. I don’t really want a Ruger.

Andy has my next project, hope to get it back soon. It’s a 3” Full Lug K frame in .327 with a round butt. Stay tuned, Larry
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So, the only way anyone would know if the cylinder had been reamed to 327 is to insert a 327 cartridge in the cylinder - to an untrained eye the modification would not be apparent?
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Sure would like to have a second 4 inch for a back up. Think I will drift over to the Territories and run the traps. Might get lucky and find one of those 750 ones.
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Very nice gun, congratulations


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I'm guessing the gun would sell for about $850-$950 and I like the combat grips and they were a fairly common accessory but the Model 16 was about the only Smith I can think of that came with them from the factory.
I believe the 17-6 in . 22 lr also came with combats

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They are fun guns...

Traded into one last year and shot it a few times. Was about to have the chamber lengthened to .327 but since since it was LNIB and I already had a 6" Model 53/16 decided to sell it and the other .32 H&Rs I had to finance a Freedom Arms 97 with a 4.25" barrel.

It sold for $1550 in one day... There is one on GB now for $1700. Another is on the 24HRCF for $1400 but no box...



Really sad there are so few and have become so valuable...

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Really sad there are so few and have become so valuable...

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So, the only way anyone would know if the cylinder had been reamed to 327 is to insert a 327 cartridge in the cylinder - to an untrained eye the modification would not be apparent?
Yes, both mine (converted & non-converted) look the same.
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As did the 617 ND.
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I believe the 17-6 in . 22 lr also came with combats
You are correct
Other than the bore size, the 17-6 and 16-4 are identical and came with square butt combat stocks
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Other than the bore size, the 17-6 and 16-4 are identical and came with square butt combat stocks
Not exactly correct...

More than half the 17-6’s have the combat stocks and full lug barrel, but the first “likely more than one third” of the 17-6 looked exactly like the 17-5 and 14-most, with the standard ribbed target barrel and goncalo alves target stocks.

My 17-6 is of 1988 vintage, a BBJ-prefix, and it is the earlier, more traditional style.
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Not exactly correct...

More than half the 17-6’s have the combat stocks and full lug barrel, but the first “likely more than one third” of the 17-6 looked exactly like the 17-5 and 14-most, with the standard ribbed target barrel and goncalo alves target stocks.

My 17-6 is of 1988 vintage, a BBJ-prefix, and it is the earlier, more traditional style.
You’re explanation is correct, but I was merely comparing the aesthetics of the full lug 17-6 with the 16-4.
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Andy has my next project, hope to get it back soon. It’s a 3” Full Lug K frame in .327 with a round butt. Stay tuned, Larry
I've thought about doing the exact same thing. To a .32 junkie (like me) that might be the perfect carry gun...
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Sure would like to have a second 4 inch for a back up. Think I will drift over to the Territories and run the traps. Might get lucky and find one of those 750 ones.
It doesn't get a lot of mention; but the Model 14-5 also came with Square Butt Combat Stocks.

Model 14-5, shipped 5/22/1992

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I also had a six shot Model 617 at one time; never recorded the Engineering Change, but it also came from the factory with Square Butt Combat Stocks.

And, of course, my Model 16-4 came from the factory with the Square Butt Combats.

Model 16-4, shipped 10/26/1989

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And since the discussion is centered around the .32 cartridge, my Model 631 came from the factory with Round Butt Combat Stocks.

Model 631, shipped 9/1/1990

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No combats but one of the few models made in .327 mag.

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