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Old 05-15-2020, 04:41 PM
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What do you carry when camping? I have begun thinking that a short barreled .357 may not be any more than a hotly loaded .38 Special, maybe a little more. I have several calibers to pick from, but for most of my camping needs I think I will opt for my 6" 586 carried in a Guide's Choice chest holster. Biggest threat I may run into in Missouri/Kansas would probably be wild dogs. I do get to Colorado, but think I would still take the 586 with a 180 gr. hard cast load from Buffalo Bore or Double Tap.
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S&W Mountain gun fits the bill for me.

44 Special will handle most dog & human problems.

44 Mag can be loaded with hard-cast SWC to deal with bigger threats.

44 Shot shells for the no-legged vermin.

And the Mountain gun series are round butt and have a tapered barrel profile to help reduce weight.

You could do almost the same with a good 357. Barrel length from 2.5-4" will pack nicely.
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Over the years Iíve tried Pythons, Smith M29ís and 19ís but long ago settled on a Colt 1911 with hard cast H&G #68 200 gr SWC at about 1000 fps.

The 1911 is plenty for anything here in Colorado, is much more pleasant to carry than a magnum revolver and is much, much quicker.
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...we used to tent camp all over the western half of the country...

...with a 12 gauge pistol grip shotgun loaded with 00 buck...and a 1911 in the tent with us...
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S&W Mountain gun fits the bill for me.

44 Special will handle most dog & human problems.

44 Mag can be loaded with hard-cast SWC to deal with bigger threats.

44 Shot shells for the no-legged vermin.

And the Mountain gun series are round butt and have a tapered barrel profile to help reduce weight.

You could do almost the same with a good 357. Barrel length from 2.5-4" will pack nicely.
I had the chance to get the 4" 586 but got the 6" instead and have no regrets. I did buy the 2.5" Model 19 also and don't regret that either. Kinda have the best of both worlds with the 6" and 2.5" Both are very good shooters but the 586 can easily handle some of the "hotter loads". There are better choices, but I wouldn't shy away from taking a deer with the 586.
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.22Mag. Dump a box of ammo into your pocket and go. It’ll stop all kinds of dogs.
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Over the years Iíve tried Pythons, Smith M29ís and 19ís but long ago settled on a Colt 1911 with hard cast H&G #68 200 gr SWC at about 1000 fps.

The 1911 is plenty for anything here in Colorado, is much more pleasant to carry than a magnum revolver and is much, much quicker.
A 1911 is quicker than a magnum revolver? Please, explain this to me. Like... in what way?
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A 625-7 Mountain Gun in .45 Colt. What else would anyone want to carry?
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A 1911 is quicker than a magnum revolver? Please, explain this to me. Like... in what way?
I know of one way...much quicker to lose all of your brass.
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Camping choice is the same as for woods walks back home, 3" 686+, carried concealed.
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My camping days are pretty much over but if I was still camping my choice would be my Governor. Anything will pretty much work but I've become a believer in the Governor which I used to condemn as the dumbest revolver S&W ever built. With the range of 410 loads available it will eliminate snakes/rodents/etc. (killed a skunk at about 40 feet with it) and would definitely discourage the dogs you mention. With a few stiff Colt 45 loads included you can stop just about anything in North America if you have to. A big plus is the light weight; at 30 ounces (unloaded) it can be carried all day comfortably. I've tried about everything else and there are many good choices but the Governor has been a real positive surprise.

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A 1911 is quicker than a magnum revolver? Please, explain this to me. Like... in what way?
Quicker in that it can be presented from the leather and accurately fired in MUCH less time than a magnum revolver with a comparable length barrel.
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Quicker in that it can be presented from the leather and accurately fired in MUCH less time than a magnum revolver with a comparable length barrel.
Apparently you are not in the company of revolver men very often.

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My 317 with CCIshot shells in the first two
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Depends on the camping...tent camping out away from it all I will have a full size revolver of some sort...357 or .41mag

Nowadays my camping is "glam-ping" in our 30' travel trailer. A campground full of aluminum sided RVs filled with people is a real concern.

I usually have a revolver with first couple rounds being a shot cartridge....for snakes and such.

If someone/something were to come into the camper their first "greeting" would be from our German Shepherd....I'll back him up
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Quicker in that it can be presented from the leather and accurately fired in MUCH less time than a magnum revolver with a comparable length barrel.
Um...no.
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A 625-7 Mountain Gun in .45 Colt. What else would anyone want to carry?
well now theres one more im gonna have to look for. classic time tested calibers cant be beat! rekon they was good nuff for the trail back then they otta still do the job nowadays. in general...
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A 1911 is quicker than a magnum revolver? Please, explain this to me. Like... in what way?
Being comfortable with both a 1911 and a revolver, I would suggest that against a traditional (6 shot) magnum revolver, a 1911 can be:
1. Emptied faster
2. Carry more rounds; hence, neutralize a threat faster, and
3. Reloaded faster.

In most instances, if I were camping out West (tent or camper), I would prefer either a 41 Magnum, 44 Special/Magnum, or a 45 Long Colt. I would expect that my greatest source of concern would be either poisonous snakes or 2 legged vermin.
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Iím with Rpg.When I carry itís a government model with the same loads. The biggest threat around here other than ticks,mosquitos,lightening,hypothermia and avalanches is a protective mama moose in the spring.Dont piss off mama lol

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Depends on where and when I am camping. Usually a small case of handguns goes along. A big bore revolver and a 22lr are always going to be there. I can always add to the pot with a 22. Set around camp and shot some cans. Set some bread crumbs outside the tent a night while playing cards, then have a hit the crumbs with a big light and blast some field mice.
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I carry a m-18 or a m-617 .22ís here in Iowa. Theyíve taken care of a few feral dogs, and a few sick critters that werenít afraid of my bird dogs . Sometimes I admit I do like to carry my lite weight m-329 with lite 44 mag reloads . Carry what you shoot and feel most comfortable with confidence !
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Either my EDC, a 642-1 .38 Special +P or my M&P .45 auto.
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Honest to goodness, a 460sw.
When Im camping all my buddies want me to bring it for $#!+$ and giggles.
During deer season hunters hate us for the forest clearing thunder.

Everyone else I camp with bring plastic or 1911ís

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I've backpacked all over the world and the US west coast and Canada. I found great comfort in carrying my S&W 629-4 with a 5" barrel. I started out with my Model 65-1 .357 in my early 20's, however I felt under gunned in a few incidence. lrrifleman makes a lot of sense with his 1911, for car camping. Deep bush I'll carry my 629-4 loaded with Federal 310gr hard cast Hammerheads, for all big critters and UFO's.

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2. Carry more rounds; hence, neutralize a threat faster.
Since when does more rounds guarantee the threat gets neutralized any faster? I'll answer this one for you so my rhetorical questions don't continue to get answered; since never. Extra capacity is no substitute for accuracy.
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Here in the East the issues are a bit different. Wild dogs, wild hogs, coyotes, venomous snakes, rabid skunks and raccoons, and feral humans are the norm. Black bears and the very rare panther are also occasionally encountered. A Ruger 3" SP101 in .357 with a mix of two rounds of CCI snake shot and three rounds of .357 158 grain JHP's. will handle the fauna issues. The SP101 weighs less than 30 ounces loaded, has enough weight to make shooting .357 manageable, gives decent velocity from a three inch barrel, is extremely durable, and doesn't cost an arm and a leg. You won't like losing it if you have a mishap in the woods (it can be replaced), but it won't upset you as much as losing a treasured S&W. You can also easily take down an SP101 without tools should it get a dunking.

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S&W 60-14 .357 & whichever .22LR is my current favorite is.
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My favorite camping/hiking gun is my 60-4. Small, light, easy to carry and doesn't get in the way. .38 Special+P will handle pretty much anything I might run into. Honestly, I'm much more concerned about two legged critters than anything Mama Nature wants to send my way.



On the rare occasion I venture where black bear or boar may hang out, I switch to my 696 no dash. .44 Special goodness.
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You'll notice I'm new to the board, and have a few initial posts on the Victory Model database.

Part of the reason I got the gun is because the Victory Model has a lanyard ring. My camping trips often involve fishing, meaning wading and boats, and the lanyard is insurance against dropping a gun overboard. Plus, it can handle a shot cartridge if need be, and even offers some defensive capability.

It isn't a gun for bears, but at that point you're at the "gun or bear spray?" question. It's worth researching. There are pros and cons to each, and having both is certainly advisable. You're 586 in 357 sounds like a decent choice, so long as it's black bears.

I might also add that a good deal of my non-camping fishing excursions are entirely on dry land where the big threat is being attacked by aluminum cans. For these, I often carry a heritage rough rider in .22lr.

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Since when does more rounds guarantee the threat gets neutralized any faster? I'll answer this one for you so my rhetorical questions don't continue to get answered; since never. Extra capacity is no substitute for accuracy.
As a proficient rifleman, I subscribe to the one-shot, one-kill philosophy. I don't believe in throwing more lead than necessary to neutralize a threat, but I don't discount the potential of multiple threats, especially when considering two-legged vermin.

Personally, I find when engaging multiple threats on a combat range (true, paper targets don't shoot back) I can engage multiple threats faster with a semi-auto than I can a revolver.

Typically, a 357 is usually 6 or 7 rounds (yes, but not everyone has or can afford an R8), while a 41/44/45 is 6 rounds against a 1911 (45) can be 7, 8, or 10 +1.
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Watch Jerry Miculek sometime if you think revolvers are slow to shoot or reload. Another thing, when I draw a revolver I don't need to waste time disengaging a safety.

If you want an under powered field gun that automatically throws your brass away a 1911 is a good choice.

Really the chances of needing more than 6 rounds in a hurry while camping is highly unlikely. Should be able to seriously disable 3 different threats before empty. 3 Bears, 3 moose, 3 cougars, 3 mad campers? Maybe a buffalo stampede, but then the 1911 is going to go empty to soon too. Just where do you plan on going camping anyway?

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I based my choice on what has happened to me in the past. During one trip we were sitting around the campfire when Bullwinkle came for a visit. Having a full grown male moose stomp out of the brush right into your camp grabs your attention. Thankfully nobody even twitched, so Mr. Moose stood there, stamped and snorted, and returned into the brush after a short spell. At that point I was wishing I had brought an M2! Those are somewhat imposing animals when only 5 yards separate you.
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Ya, they are pretty big. I had one wonder into my camp once while I was a little ways away fishing in the creek. As he walked around my tent I just hoped he didn't get tangled up in the ropes. In some areas moose are a bigger concern to me than bears. But, also probably more apt to spook off with noise. One of my brothers spend a couple hous on top of a big rock with a couple moose around it. He didn't think his fly rod would be that much help.
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Set some bread crumbs outside the tent a night while playing cards, then have a hit the crumbs with a big light and blast some field mice.
We used to call that going on "Rat Patrol". Remember the show?

My EDC is a snubbie. But I bought a 9mm for times when I'm out all alone and a bunch of drunks, druggies, etc might come upon me while I'm out communing with nature. So my camping gun is a 9mm with 17 NATO rounds in the mag and one up the spout. I like stainless because its a camp gun. We ain't got no bears or mooses around here so the 9 should be plenty.
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We used to call that going on "Rat Patrol". Remember the show?

My EDC is a snubbie. But I bought a 9mm for times when I'm out all alone and a bunch of drunks, druggies, etc might come upon me while I'm out communing with nature. So my camping gun is a 9mm with 17 NATO rounds in the mag and one up the spout. I like stainless because its a camp gun. We ain't got no bears or mooses around here so the 9 should be plenty.
If you are camping around East St. Louis I imagine it could get pretty sporty.
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For a .357 magnum in would go with my 686 in either 2.5 or 4 inch. But my go to gun for outdoor activities has been the model 69 with a 2.75 inch barrel. With Buffalo Bore heavy. 44 Special or .44 Magnum it packs plenty of punch and it carries well. Another advantage is that is a modern S&W and I wouldn't mind it getting tossed into an evidence room as much as I would my older guns.
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My camping is on the East Coast. My Camping Gun is a Ruger Single Seven in .327 Federal Magnum with Big Dot Front Sight. I can load it with Federal 100 grain SP or BB 130 HC ammunition.
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<<Maybe a buffalo stampede>>

Having actually been in a buffalo stampede, I would say no to pretty much anything short of a vehicle-mount minigun.
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My choice would likely be a 610 or one of my L-frames, probably my 681.

Carried in a Hunter holster, on a military web belt, it is very comfortable.

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Depending on what type of camping Iím going to do. This will dictate my gun choices . I type this reply from a parking lot campground in SC. So my choice here is my sig365. More often than not itís my 696 44spl or 3in model 13. Iíve run into black bears plenty of times at home.They are more apt to run than fight. I respect them and give them their space. The same with rattle snakes. But itís the dirt bag humans or their dogs that are always the problem.

Ps. If grizzly where a concern Iíd carry a lever action trapper model 45/70.
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In thick pine and bear country a 44 DW revolver. 22 contender or similar in camp.
In the sage flats 357 and or 22 lr DA revolvers.
River bottom 38 special 4" or 2" first two snake loads.
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I canoe camp here in the East. I usually tote a .45 SAA with hard cast and snake shot.
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My trusty old Charter Arms .44 Bulldog is all I have ever wanted to lug around on a hike.
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If something bad is coming at him I doubt that a few lost cases will be of great consequence
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Just for camping and hiking.

10mm Glock 20s and 40s, with Hard Cast, are popular with South Floridians, in the gun business, especially when up in Western North Carolina and some of our family when there and in the Rockies as well.
The M460 Carry and whichever 357/8 shot Smith I buy will be camped and not comped in the Rockies.
Sensible handloads in the 460 can be quiet substantial and a cylinder emptied quickly and on target with practice.
Same length as our 629/4" ... just a bit heavier.

I'd carry the 460 and a 1911, in 45 Super, and leave the 357 behind ..... if wishes came true.
Glock triggers are like a sloppy 1911 and accurate enough.
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It will certainly be ďmission accomplishedĒ then.
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My camp rig would be my 1026 with some 200gr Underwood hard cast.... along with an 1895sbl in .45-70gov, 430grn +p hard cast gas check...
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This almost turned into another BEAR THREAD.
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I grew up with revolvers and for years owned and carried many different .44 magnum chambered models out in the woods - or wilderness. In it's day the .44 magnum was top shelf and is still as capable today, but I don't carry one out in the field any more.

My updated field carry is the Springfield Armory MilSpec fitted with a Wilson Combat beavertail and Clark .460 Rowland conversion! Additional mods are a .460 Rowland "Tougher buffer" SS guide rod with flat-wound, dual recoil springs in 20/40# pound rating, plus flat bottom slide stop. I also run Chip McCormick Powermags, and for field carry opt for a 10 round version.

While I hand load for it, factory numbers are most impressive using Underwood ammo. Hard cast 255 grain average 1,300 fps/959 fpe, and 230 gr Nosler average 1,391 fps/988 fpe, which is actually more powerful than factory .44 mag from a 4" or less revolver barrel. Both will easily bring down ANYTHING on the North American continent! [My 6.61" Glock .460 conversion averaged 1,522 fps/ 1,183 fpe with the Underwood 230gr load but I prefer the ergos of the 1911)

With the brake up front, and 1911 ergonomics, felt recoil is amazingly mild with excellent control. The gun can be fired as rapidly as a standard .45 auto - maybe faster due to such low muzzle rise. Ten shots versus six, none of the torquing, palm-slamming recoil of a 4" barrel .44 revolver, and reloads are much quicker.
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