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Old 06-29-2020, 01:38 PM
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Picked up a carried-a-lot-shot-a-little 642-2 the other day and am strongly considering sending her to Cylinder & Slide for the following:

1. Action Job
2. Smooth, polish, radius trigger face
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They worked a H&K Compact Tactical for me a few years ago and did a fantastic job. Anyone have any experience with their revolver action jobs?
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Anyone have any experiences?
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No experience but what you want seems entirely reasonable.
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After shipping both ways and all the other costs you might be into the price of the revolver again. I would just keep it stock and use that money for ammo. That being said I have had good experiences with C&S but that was with an autoloader.

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You’ll like their action work.
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Old 07-04-2020, 10:36 AM
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No experience with them or the 642, but I have a 640-1 and have never seen a need for anything beyond a good cleaning and proper lubrication. A tritium front sight might be useful.
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They do great work but as others have said the final cost could come close to the price of a used gun. I do agree on the smooth trigger on a carry gun but beyond that, it is an up close and personal type of firearm and if I were going to spend a lot of money reworking a snubbie, I would do it on an all steel version and even then you can get a gun with much of what you are asking for as a factory model such as a 640 Pro Series or if you need a super lightweight gun, something in the 340 series.
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3. Install an XS tritium Big Dot front sight
I never knew that anyone actually "aimed" one of these.
I always thought they were a point and shoot gun.
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A big glowing dot at night might help. I prefer crimson trace lasers myself. Night sights dim over time. Like others said. the cost of C&S doing the work/parts plus shipping with probably cost more than the 642 brand new. Now you will be $700-800 in total cost. If you have the funds go for it.
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I picked up a 642PC a few weeks ago that has most of what you want. It has by far the best trigger of any of my J-Frames and no lock. I wish it had a front night sight though.
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I appreciate the input.
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I don’t see how the front sight can be changed it is integral with the barrel; not pinned. That why I own Ruger snubs, the pinned front sight can be changed in about 15 minutes.
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I don’t see how the front sight can be changed it is integral with the barrel; not pinned. That why I own Ruger snubs, the pinned front sight can be changed in about 15 minutes.
The integral front sight is machined into a tenon and the XS Big Dot sight is mounted onto it with epoxy.
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I don’t see how the front sight can be changed it is integral with the barrel; not pinned. That why I own Ruger snubs, the pinned front sight can be changed in about 15 minutes.

It requires milling off the original sight, then milling a dovetail for a dovetail sight.
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It requires milling off the original sight, then milling a dovetail for a dovetail sight.
That's how some aftermarket sights are installed, but not the XS.

https://www.xssights.com/ITEMMEDIA/1...stallation.pdf
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Old 07-07-2020, 07:24 AM
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I have a 642 that is my #2 carry, me, like above save your cash and become proficient with the weapon. I would send in a steel 36 to C&S not a alloy weapon.
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I'm sure C&S can perform the work you want done. But my question is; why would you want to pay for that kind of work on a 642, which is a great revolver for its intended purpose. It isn't a target revolver and never will be. But as they say "whatever floats yer boat". Yours truly has paid for a few mods. over the years that really made no sense.
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I dry fire, clean, and lube until my 442’s Actions are smooth. I don’t need a light trigger on a defense gun. I paint the sights so I can see them. Works for me.
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For the most part, I agree that a 642 doesn't really need extensive work. One certainly doesn't need a light trigger to be effective.

Having said that, a smooth trigger pull can be beneficial and may be worth the cost if your gun's trigger pull is less than optimal. I've often considered having a trigger job done (with factory springs retained for reliability) on my 642-1 as there is an occasional hitch towards the end of the trigger pull. It doesn't affect reliability or accuracy (as far as I can tell), but I would prefer a smoother, more consistent pull. I have a 642ND with a trigger job, and it is a noticeable improvement. I've also considered having the front sight re-profiled to more of a modified ramp/Patridge shape as the full ramp profile is prone to glare issues in some lighting.

Personally, I don't see a problem with having work done on your carry gun, so long as reliability and safety aren't compromised. But I think you may be better off seeking a good gunsmith in your area who can perform the work, if possible. You won't incur shipping expenses, which can be a significant portion of the total cost. The price of the work itself may be less expensive. Turnaround time may be faster. I don't know what C&S's turnaround time is, but it's not unusual for well-known gunsmiths to have turnaround times measured in months, if not years. I've had trigger jobs done by local gunsmiths that turned out nicely and took, at most, a few weeks. And if there is some kind of issue, it's much easier to deal with a local gunsmith than having to ship the gun (again!) back to the gunsmith.

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My handguns that Cylinder & Slide have worked on/built have absolutely been top notch. I highly recommend them!
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I replaced the OEM rebound and main springs on my 642 and it lightened the action quite a bit. Easy to do if you are even minimally handy and not all that expensive.

Other than that and a set of Ergo Delta Grips, there isn't a lot of reason to spend money on improving a close range personal defense revolver. At least I don't think so.
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Here I go, raining on parades. If you're going to have work done anywhere on this 642, remove the Uncle Mike's boot grip. No matter how reputable the shop, it is 99% guaranteed to vanish. Same with T-grips. Ask me how I know.

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Very much appreciate the input.

I'm going with the following, and they understand that this is an off-duty/back-up. Buy once, cry once.

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#SR057 Action job, J-frame, new style
#SR006 Radius and polish trigger face
#SR104 XS standard dot dovetail tritium front sight
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For the price, you could buy an additional 642and practice the work yourself.
I dont know if you will get every dollar out of your investment but its your money
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I am a Glock Armorer. Glock and my boss let me work on their guns. The same can't be said for S&W.

I'll let the pros handle this one.
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C&S has performed work for both my late father and myself... only on semi-autos for me, not sure what he all accomplished for my father... I used to pickup brass for Bill when I was a kid and he shot IPSC with my dad... he, and all his employees are top notch...
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I bought a new 642 Airweight with laser grips a few weeks ago. The trigger was so hard to pull that it hurt my finger and made the gun shake.
I ordered a trigger spring kit for $26:
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I'm going with the following, and they understand that this is an off-duty/back-up. Buy once, cry once...
I agree with that philosophy. That’s the way it usually works for me! Good luck with your 642. C&S has a good reputation and I can’t imagine you won’t be happy with the work.
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I have a tuned 640 (not by C&S) that was definitely worth it.
If I hadn't gone over to plastic automatics for pocket carry, I would definitely be thinking about better sights.
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Standard dot and the machined half ghostring provide a nice clear sight picture.

The rounded and polished trigger with their trigger job make for a VERY smooth trigger, 10# trigger pull.

Range report to follow.
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Thanks for the interesting pix. I've heard the standard XS dot works pretty well with the stock rear, do you like it opened up like that?

Nice NICE looking trigger!
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Standard dot and the machined half ghostring provide a nice clear sight picture.

The rounded and polished trigger with their trigger job make for a VERY smooth trigger, 10# trigger pull.
The work looks good. I wasn't sure a dovetailed front sight would work on the 642 because of the low "rib". And I've thought about having the rear sight notch widened on mine for more daylight, but wasn't sure it would be feasible given the alloy frame.
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Anyone have any experiences?
I bought my wife an M642 sans the lock last year for her birthday... The trigger was 8 pounds out of the box. I bought a nice set of India Stones/Files and "Stone-Polished" the Trigger/Hammer mating sear surfaces to a bright almost mirror polish..., Then I polished the rebound slide surfaces (especially the bottom and the sides) of the rebound slide surfaces to a bright hue. Then finally I replaced the hammer strut/spring to an 8lb one, and installed a 13# rebound spring with a Wolff "Shooters-PacK" kit...

The end result is a Double Action trigger that is 5lbs with a nice clean break and a predictable "Staging Point" if desired for that Single Action feel/break. I've tried all kinds of ammo from Hornady ammo with notable soft primers all the way down to Steel Cased "Wolf" branded ammo with super hard primers. All of it touches off without a fail. She carries Buffalo Bore 150gr Hard Cast Full-Wads with Hornady XTP's for an easy reload.


To finish her up I installed some vintage "Magna" grips and a Tyler-T grip for a grip that fits even my large hands (pinky too) fully on the grip! It's the perfect handgun for my wife and we couldn't be happier. I just asked her what she thought about it again for this thread. She replied: "I love it... My M642 and our 1911 are my favorite handguns to shoot!" It's because of the triggers and handling even though they are on the opposite sides of the spectrum in regards to a SA trigger with the 1911 and super smooth DA trigger of her M642.

In summation, with a bit of "Polishing" (removing zero metal, just polishing" with the India stones, Jerry Miculek's "YouTube" how-to, and about $20 in the aforementioned hammer spring replacement "Shooters Pak" from Wolff make for a wonderful M642 pictured below that both me and the wife love and depend upon as her everyday CCW pictured below.




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Very nice! Looking forward to the range report.
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