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Old 02-10-2021, 08:35 PM
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I bought this model 357PD almost three years ago about the same time I bought a 357 Night Guard. I did shoot the Night Guard and it was a brute, so I never did fire the 357PD. So I decided to sell it because I never fired it, although it has been fired from the previous owner. Well I was going to the range one day and decided to bring it along before I sell just to say I have fired it. I put exactly 6 factory rounds of ammo through it, and it is a brute also. When I got it home to clean it, I found "The Crack". I am very saddened and disappointed to say the least. I called S&W customer service and described the crack and the very nice lady sent me a shipping label right then while I was still talking to her on the phone. I dropped it off Tuesday at FedEx. The S&W lady said 3 to 5 weeks before I hear back from them. So now I am wondering what they will do. I read the thread from mdme3006 about his broken gun and hoping they will offer me something to replace it with. Here are a few pictures.





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Bummer. Since they no longer make this one, now would be a good time to peruse the factory's current offerings since they will likely offer a discounted to free replacement.
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Does this have a alloy frame? Sorry for my ignorance.
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Does this have a alloy frame? Sorry for my ignorance.
It has the scandium alloy frame with a titanium cylinder.
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I've got a scandium with titanium cylinder as well. Your story makes me nervous.

So I have to ask what ammo you were using?
Anything really hot?

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Sorry to hear that.

Since the 329PD is still cataloged and only your frame is cracked, hopefully they can replace the frame & just reuse the rest of your 357PD.

Let us know how it goes.

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The theory behind the frame crack with a new gun is an overtorqued barrel at assembly putting extra strain on the thinnest part of the frame, although this has also happened with using the gun as well. So the type of ammo used may or may not make a difference.
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I had my 340PD crack in the same place. Just like you, S & W had me send it to them. They then provided me with a new 340PD a few weeks later.

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Very unfortunate and hope it works out for you...

I bought both the 357 PD and NG as soon as they came out...hated both of them from the very first shot even after putting the Hogue 500 Magnum grips on the PD...both went down the road...

People look down their noses at Taurus revolvers but I have a 4" Titanium Tracker that shoots rings around the 357PD...I still have it and is my favorite woods walking gun...28 oz. loaded. Makes the perfect .41 Special...

I no longer will buy S&W alloy frame guns of any kind. Of the four Airweight snubbies I have had two cracked...no thanks...no more.

Don't know if it is true or not but read that when S&W came out with the Airweights back in the 1950s the expected service life was 300 rounds...

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Sorry to hear about your misfortune. I had a 642 crack in the same place but factory took care of it.
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Sorry to hear that.

Since the 329PD is still cataloged and only your frame is cracked, hopefully they can replace the frame & just reuse the rest of your 357PD.

Let us know how it goes.

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I didn't think of that. I sure hope they can do that for me.
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I've got a scandium with titanium cylinder as well. Your story makes me nervous.

So I have to ask what ammo you were using?
Anything really hot?

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Seen way too many of these and other durability issues on the S&W scandium and aluminum revolvers, both to my own revolvers and and to those of others. I've got a scandium j frame back with the mothership now, and I think if they replace it it's getting sold and replaced with a steel smith, or more likely a ruger.
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You just have the start of a crack. These usually go all the way through

All Smith & Wesson alloy framed revolvers have been cracking at this same location for 6 or 7 or more decades now. . . . This is nothing new

I have had two cracked frames during the last 40+ years of shooting. The Factory took care of it

What has changed is the use of alloy frames for firearms that use Magnum ammunition

The rifling twist of the barrel tightens itself every shot from the torque of the bullet that is fired.

In the olden days, when these were just 22s, 32, 38s, etc, If the frame did not crack at the Factory, these cartridges did not generate enough torque for it to happen very often

Now that we are shooting Magnums there is MUCH More torque each time the gun is fired. Use a Titanium cylinder to lower the mass of the gun and torque increases more.

This is why it is nice to be the original owner of the firearm, you have the Lifetime Warranty. While the Lifetime Warranty does not pass on to the subsequent owners, Smith & Wesson usually overlooks that fact and fixes it anyway.

We all know alloy guns will not last as long as steel. This is the tradeoff for the light weight

The Scandium N-frame revolvers are still being produced as 327s and 329s. The factory will take your parts and put them on a new frame. You might have to wat for the next batch of Scandium frames to be produced so that it can be correctly marked as a Model 357 or you might get lucky and they will have an unmarked frame on hand for replacement purposes
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I was looking to purchase a 325 thunder ranch.
As 45acp is lower pressure and slower moving than magnum rounda, Does this have the same chance of cracking?
Anyone have/ had a low pressure round that cracked the frame?
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What wold actually happen if the OP just continued to fire the gun with this hairline crack?
Just wondering....

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I've experienced cracked frames twice; once with a Model 49 and another time with a Colt Agent. I was using factory equivalent handloads with 160 grain cast SWCs on both occasions.

I doubt any of these guns were intended to be fired very much, and for years, that's what happened. Chambering in .357 Magnum and actually using magnum ammo along with the the fact that some people shoot these revolvers more nowadays has considerably aggravated the situation.

Whether there is anything to the over-torqueing or not remains as nothing more than speculation and no one knows how many rounds of ammo these guns can endure before failure. If your going to shoot much get an all steel gun. The few ounces saved by getting a lightweight is hardly worth dealing with a prematurely ruined gun.

I still have an old Colt Cobra and an S&W 638 that have held up well to shooting, but I probably won't buy another alloy-framed revolver.
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Eventually there will be problems but not immediate ones. I had a Model 38 with the crack, didn't notice it for who knows how many rounds. Eventually decided to see what happened after firing it via string for a couple boxes, the barrel rotated in the frame noticeably but it still fired. Not sure how long that would be the case for and I'd sure be concerned about trying it.
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Not to hijack but like lotsa others, I like big-bore snubbies.
The 625-10/-11’s are among the snubbiest but since they’re alloy frame, I just created my own from a 1917 and 625-10 barrel.
Groups very well at SD distance (10 yds). Here it is after being RBed to K size. Pic is a repost and sorry for any thread drift but having an alloy frame crack before, just another thing not to be as concerned about.
Hopefully factory can resolve even if using 329 frame. Keep us posted.

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As 45acp is lower pressure and slower moving than magnum rounda, Does this have the same chance of cracking?
Anyone have/ had a low pressure round that cracked the frame?
Since these have cracked with 32s and 38s, a 45 will not be exempt

What you have to realize is that for every cracked one that makes itself known on the Internet, there are many tens of thousands of happy customers that have no crack

The odds of any single frame cracking is very low

I would never let this issue stop me from buying an alloy gun.

We currently own and my family shoots 4 Aluminium alloy Smith & Wesson revolvers and 8 Scandium framed Smith & Wesson revolvers

We will deal with any of them ever developing a crack if and when that happens
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I have 2 325s and no problems, guys have fired thousands of 44 mag rounds from 329s and they kept on working with no problems. Ya, steel is better. it is also heavier. If I fire 24 rounds a month from my carry 325, that is 288 rounds a year and in 20 years when I am 90 a total of 2,880. I have steel guns for firing a bunch of rounds at the range.
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I try to keep everything real by having it steel. I think they thin the alloy way too much in certain areas around the barrel. There’s a lot of force around the forcing cone area the crack location proves that. Being a retired lead eng tech the s&w engineers in there r&d lab should be all over this problem. An engineering change is in order. Even a recall. I worry about it failing when its most needed.

Has anyone checked this model revolver with a range rod to check the cylinder vs barrel alignment? If both mating parts are at the high end of the tolerances that could be a problem.
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I am always going through the S&W revolvers offerings available at GI, GA, GB etc. The majority of the postings are alloy frames, take this as you may.
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Oh man I know that feeling too well many years ago I had the same thing with the SW 340 PD. I think it was around 2005 ish same thing I only fired 50 rounds of American Eagle ball ammunition put it away. One day a friend of mine who had the same 340 model told me that he sent it back to Smith he believed it was a crack they sent it back saying know. Then he sent back 2nd time and outlined it with white out circled it and it turned out to be a crack. I went home took my gun out and checked and sure enough it had a crack in it not sure if it was done when they pressed the barrel in and I just didn’t know if it was when I shot the 340 PD. Smith did replace the gun but it was a different serial number. Sold it and then many years later bought the same gun with no internal lock only put 50 rounds through it checked it and I just carried it. Good luck sucks though

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If you're able to carry a nice N frame Highway Patrolman in the woods, terrific ; I wish I could carry mine.

However, I'm too old and too light in the butt for that kind of use. So I carry a 340 PD and can almost keep up with the kids at the end of the day, almost. I hope I never have to shoot it, but I love that it's available. As long as I get ONE good shot out of it, it's meeting it's purpose in existence.
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Are you sure that's a crack?

Some of the pictures made it look like a scratch.
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Some of the pictures made it look like a scratch.
It is a crack for sure. I can run my fingernail across it and fell it. Plus under a magnifier it shows very well.
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This is unfortunately a rather common issue which has yet to be fixed, but then again, wasn't S&W's old slogan for the NG Series something to do with being "carried often, shot scarcely" or something?

One thing that surprises me is that Smith & Wesson still hasn't tried their hand at hybrid polymer/steel framed .357 Magnum Revolver. Seriously, Ruger has done it with the LCR, Taurus has done it with the Poly Protector, so why not S&W? The M&P Series of semiautomatic pistols has polymer frames with an embedded stainless steel chasis, so they should be able to easily design a revolver frame based on the same principle. (I used to think that the M&P R8 Revolver had a polymer frame due to the M&P branding, but nope, it's Scandium alloy.)
Also, despite my doubts of how well a polymer frame could hold up under a steady diet of .357 Magnum loads, I've yet to hear of a broken LCR or even Poly Protector, so it seems like polymer frames work just as well for revolvers as they do semiautomatic pistols.
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Well I received an e-mail from S&W this morning about my gun. This is what it said:
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I am contacting you in regards to the firearm you sent in to our facility for repair. The evaluation performed by our gunsmiths has determined that your firearm is unrepairable and have deemed this a warranty issue making you eligible for a replacement firearm.
Your replacement firearm will be a new Model 329PD, SKU 163414..
This process can take up to 4-6 weeks depending on the availability of the firearm.
**Please note: if there are any AFTERMARKET SIGHTS/GRIPS you would like returned to you off your firearm, please let me know as when you respond to this email.**

So it looks like I am getting a brand new 44 magnum of the same make as was my 41 magnum. That is kind of a bummer as I do not have any other 44 magnums or any 44 magnum ammo. I hope the new gun does not crack?
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Ask about other guns in the same MSRP range that might interest you. In my case I opted for a different model and caliber and the factory was OK with that as the $ were about the same.
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Ask about other guns in the same MSRP range that might interest you. In my case I opted for a different model and caliber and the factory was OK with that as the $ were about the same.
I thought about that but, about the only thing that would interest me would be an AR Competition rifle with an MSRP of about $450.00 more. I figured they would go for that so I didn't ask.
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Your replacement firearm will be a new Model 329PD, SKU 163414..
Well that's a bummer that they couldn't fix it.

I wouldn't hurt to ask them if they could use a new 329PD frame & the rest of your 357PD to do the "repair"?

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Cracked revolver frames are not something that can be fixed.
The lightweight allow frames seem to have the highest rate of cracking in the area just below the barrel and that is the primary reason for me not owning one. Just be happy that S&W is replacing it with an equal value revolver.
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Well that's a bummer that they couldn't fix it.

I wouldn't hurt to ask them if they could use a new 329PD frame & the rest of your 357PD to do the "repair"?

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I did ask them that and they finally got back to me and said they cannot interchange parts from different guns for liability reasons.
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What about asking them to send back the barrel and cylinder off your old gun along with the new 329PD? Then maybe you could have a local gunsmith do it?
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Ding ding ding, we have the winning answer!!

It's not a question on "if" these lightweight guns will fail. It's only a question of "when".

The answer is to buy a steel version and a proper belt and holster so you can carry the weight.
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It's not a question on "if" these lightweight guns will fail. It's only a question of "when".
That's baloney & you have nothing that substantiates that.

I have (10) S&W scandium/aluminum alloy framed guns & none of them have broken & people who have shot theirs more than mine haven't had problems either.

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Too bad. I'm sure they're the same frame, just stamped with a different model number.

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Ding ding ding, we have the winning answer!!

It's not a question on "if" these lightweight guns will fail. It's only a question of "when".

The answer is to buy a steel version and a proper belt and holster so you can carry the weight.
That is like turning to someone and saying "You will Die" . . . . Of course they will, sooner or later

EVERY GUN ever made will eventually fail

Steel is not the answer to everything, it probably is not the answer even half the time.

My Aluminium Alloy, Scandium or Total Titanium firearms, have tens of thousands of full power magnum rounds through them by now. And they are not yet broken

If and when they break, I will get them fixed . . . . . just like I do when a steel gun breaks

Since Smith & Wesson has been manufacturing and selling light weight revolvers since the early 1950s, I have to believe there are many, Many times more folks that have had ZERO problems than folks with problems
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Well my new replacement S&W showed up at my FFL dealer last week while I was on vacation. I picked it up yesterday. They replaced my S&W model 357PD in 41 mag with a 329PD in 44 mag and I am happy that they replaced it free of charge. S&W's warranty department was very helpful and actually easy to deal with. That goes a long way in my book how warranty department folks treat you, and S&W is right on top. It is a beautiful revolver but, I sure wish it was in 41 Mag and not 44 Mag. I like the wood grips on this compared to the wood grips that came with my 357PD, the checkering looks really good I think. I don't plan on trying to stock up on any 44 ammo to keep and shoot this gun so I think I am going to put it up for sale on GB.


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Looks very nice. I'd keep if it were mine.
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Why don’t you sell it on this forum ?
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I’m a little surprised to hear you want sell that. I guess you don’t reload. A lot of folks who shoot 44 reload. I would have thought even more who shoot 41 reload. At any rate, if you no desire to shoot some form 44, this gun has no use for you.
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Bummer. Since they no longer make this one, now would be a good time to peruse the factory's current offerings since they will likely offer a discounted to free replacement.
That's the S&W policy. Get ready with a choice my friend!
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