Folks. I bought a Ruger 380 max pistol 4 weeks ago for a small carry pistol. $409.00 . It’s going back to Ruger for the 3rd time Monday. It shoots 12 inches low at 7 yards with 6 different types of ammo. Range owner shot it and 3 other guys today off rest all the same , 12 inches low at 7 yards. Ruger i don’t think they can fix it , reason they’re keep sending back with nothing changed. Has Tritium front sight with special screw holding it from inside slide which Ruger has to try to do something with which they are not. So I cannot just grind it down. I would grind it down in a second , bingo problem solved. I don’t know of a semi auto pocket pistol now that just has a blade front sight that I could just grind down if I had too. That’s all I want.
So question is there a wheel gun with short barrels that have a front sight that I can replace with a shorter front sight if need be ? Or a pistol model that I can replace rear sight that is taller sight if need be ? I am open to every ones recommendation of pistols that fall into thus category. Thanks. MD

You and your range friends may not like hearing this but the brutal truth is 98% of all guns are more accurate then 98% of all shooters.

The rare gun may have some issue but the majority are close to on from the factory. I'd say go to a range that rents guns and give several a try. If every single one shoots low for you that should be a clue.

[QUOTE=mscampbell2734;141502150]You and your range friends may not like hearing this but the brutal truth is 98% of all guns are more accurate then 98% of all shooters.

With the range owner, gun owner and three others (5 people) shooting off a rest, my guess would be the gun not the shooters.
If all shooters had nice groups but all shot low = bad gun

Can the Titritum front sight be replaced with a lower plain blade ?
I think I would prefer a plain blade that hits POI to POA over a Tritium sight that puts them 12" low .
I like a 6-o:clock hold but a foot low is just not right . I paint my blade sights white (with White-Out Correctium fluid and it works pretty darn well .
Good luck ...don't throw in towel just yet ...there are more than one type of front sight you can utilize .
A good private Gunsmith and aftermarket front sight might be the answer
Gary

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Did you try shooting it any farther out, like 15 yards? Being it's a .380, likely the sights would be set for close ranges, so it probably is off. The short sight distance will exacerbate the POI difference from POA, so it doesn't have to be off by much. Can you modify your sight picture to bring up your hits? Were you using a 6 o'clock hold or a sunrise hold to get the low hits? If you were using 6 o'clock, try using a sunrise, and see if they come up enough. I'm betting your results would be better at 15 yards, too.

LCP Max has a dovetail front sight. Should be easy enough to replace. Or replace the rear... also a dovetail.

12" low at 7 yards is a huge amount. There's probably something off other than the sights.

I deal with new shooters and new guns a lot. 95 times out of 100 the problem is with the shooter. But it is occasionally the gun....

Ruger should really replace that gun by now. Did they test fire it and confirm? Are you using the front sight over the target?
To answer your question, without significant alteration, smith and wesson sights wont work with it. Im not sure any sights would work unless your rear sight is really tall.

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Yes. Ruger will not admit it is the pistols fault after all these people shooting it off a pistol rest at 7 yards. All they keep saying is it was fired 30 times. Woopee it fires. I am sure they cannot fix a pistol that is shooting 12 inches low. It’s a common problem with the pistol. Forums are full of complaints but not as bad as my pistol. The way the front sight and how it’s installed on this pistol slide it has to be fixed by Ruger ( front sight is installed on the with special driver to remove the screw under the slide ) mess it up then your screwed. Near impossible for owner to do themselves. They will not install a regular blade blade sight so I can grind it down. I ask. I am sure they do not have shorter front sight they can put on pistol or a taller rear sight and if they did they would not put it on because not a standard stock item.
So it’s going to keep going back till it’s fixed or my money back. I am sure it will take months and a dozen phone calls. It is not the shooter everyone that has shot the pistol has the same groups , to within a inch of each bullet holes . Not my grip on the pistol , range officer let me shoot his 9mm and I am on the bullseye at 7 and 15 yards. Gunsmith at Ruger is lying about the group he shot and punched holes with pencil which looks like to me or has not even looked at pistol and pulled a target out of his tool box to send to customers when he cannot fix a pistol. I have seen it in the auto industry. I did not want to get this far in the woods with Ruger customer service with you guys it is what it is.
I would like to get back to my question what is a good wheel gun that I can buy to carry that has a 2 inch barrel or so that has a adjustable front sight that I could remove if I have too and buy a lower or higher front sight and the same with rear sight ? I might not need to do it but have to have the option because I don’t want to go through this again. Thanks. Marty

You can buy a 340PD, which has a pinned front sight, but it will probably be close enough POA/POI that you won’t need to fool with it. Sorry you’re having so much trouble with the Ruger. The micro .380s seem to have “more than their share” of troubles. If you want to stay with a .380, maybe try a Keltec. They’re rough, but they have a good reputation - and you can buy half-dozen of them for what a 340PD costs. But, the 340 is a super little carry revolver.

Not trying to be a smart***, but why not just aim higher? I mean, it's a close-quarters pistol anyway, you most likely wouldn't use it past 15 yards, 25 max. Practice with it until you get a sight picture and POA that puts your POI where you want it. I have a couple of fixed sight revolvers that shoot a bit low, although not quite as low as yours, and once I know where I have to hold on target to hit where I want, it's no problem. You're not going to precision shoot with a 2" barrel anyway, so body mass is what you need to be practicing. At 7 yards, it's damn near impossible to miss.

Shooting off a rest and shooting offhand will seldom have the same point of impact. Have you shot offhand groups, one hand, two hand, or however you would normally hold the gun? Check point of impact offhand at 7, 10, and 15 yards (at least) before having the sights worked on. It will likely be noticeably different from shooting off a rest. Shoot enough groups to verify. Good luck-

Hair trigger. Not trying to be a smart $&@ ether, but I guess I don’t want to aim at a bad mans head and miss and hit a bystander and loose my house. Hope that makes since to you , if not I guess I don’t understand your logic. If you want to buy this brand new pistol that is shooting 12 inches low at 7 yards pm me and I will sale it to you in a heart beat before I send it back to Ruger tomorrow. let me know and you can carry it into your crime ridden city at midnight and try it out. Man oh man. Funny I will say that for you. Ha ha. MD

Going to close this thread because posters have not looked at the facts listed on the original post on why I am looking for a future pistol.
Hope future poster don’t go into any detail on why you are trying to replace a firearm. Better not to say why because if you do you have to read posts that do not have any value to your original post. I tried. Will request info on the other S&W forum.
Thanks anyway. MD

Perhaps if your first post didn't have the first paragraph and you stuck with just posting...

your post wouldn't have centered around your Ruger pistol. Or perhaps if the thread was posted in the proper forum "Firearms and Knives - Other Brands" you would have gotten better response. In either case, I agree with your sentiment to close the thread.

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Sorry for your troubles.

One S & W with an easily replaced front sight is the .357 model 640 or Performance Center version, a dovetailed blade. The PC model 60 has a pinned front blade, also easy to replace. But being S & W products you may not need to replace anything. Good luck in your decision.

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