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Old 07-25-2022, 07:43 PM
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I have the opportunity to purchase a model 60-10.
No box no papers etc…
So we’re all on the same page, it’s a stainless, J-frame, 5 shot, adjustable sight, 3” barrel, .357 magnum with S&W medallion “combat” stocks. It does have MIM trigger and hammer, but no lock.
Asking price is $700.
I do not have pics at this time.

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I do currently have a Model 19-6 2.5” that I really like, but here’s my situation;

I will be legal to carry concealed at the end of this month, as the Great State of Louisiana will be granting constitutional carry to its honorably discharged veterans and active duty Guard and Reserve Soldiers on August 1.
Thus far I have only carried my model 19 in a belt holster. It would be fine under a jacket but there ain’t nobody wearing a jacket around here this time of year.
I don’t know how I would feel about the 19 for IWB and I know it’s too big for pocket carry. Also, my 19 is pretty dang nice and I sweat a lot. It would take an incredible amount of maintenance to keep from ruining it in just one summer.

Does anyone have any experience with the 60–10? What are y’all’s thoughts regarding that particular Pistola for IWB or pocket carry?
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I have a 3” 36 with fixed sites. It should be about the same size. It carries just fine in the waist. A little long for most pockets.
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The price seems fair enough, especially with the Combat grips. They alone can bring upward of $200 for a perfect pair.

I would not carry a revolver with target sights, but you already carry a 19 so I guess it works for you.

I would also not carry a 3" barrel in or out of the waist. If I carry a 3" Chiefs Special it's in a shoulder rig -- tough to conceal if you can't wear a vest, at least.

If you're set on a J-frame with an exposed hammer in .357 Magnum, have a look at a 60-9. Barrel length is 2⅛", and it has fixed sights.

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It should make a fine carry gun. Probably no one wears a jacket in hot humid weather but lots of people with untucked shirts. Plenty of coverage for either an inside or outside the waist belt holster.
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It's a nice little gun. I picked this one up two years ago. I do not shoot .357 Magnums out of this or any other J Frames. The stocks are Herrett's Detectives. I replaced the Uncle Mikes which are perfectly acceptable, but I have been putting Detectives on Js for forty years and like the way they make the gun point.
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IWB it would be perfect, too heavy for pocket carry in my opinion.
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In my opinion the 60-10 is the best of the model 60s. That said, it wouldn't be my first choice for concealed carry; that goes to my 340PD. Buy it though, you'll probably like it a lot and if it works for you for CC, great. Here's mine.

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I carry one in a pancake holster in the wintertime when I wear a coat to cover up the holster. It's my go to handgun for carry in the woods too. Just a great combination of small size, adequate power, an adequate barrel length, and adjustable sights. Price wise on the one you want... I can't comment. I bought mine in 2000 and I haven't kept up with inflation on the model.
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Sounds like a good gun a a fair price to me.
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You asked - so here is my opinion......

I don't care for 357 Magnum J Frame Revolvers since they are heavier and bulkier than the 2" 38 special J Frames - important to me for concealment. Almost everyone I know who owns a Magnum J Frame version only carries 38 specials in it anyway. Shoot a bunch of Magnums and you'll know why! Why carry the extra weight and bulk just to shoot 38 specials? Magnums out of J Frames is just a bit much for my liking as is the loud report and hard recoil. Out of a 2" J Frame, the Buffalo Bore 158 grain 38 special +P LSWCHP-GC actually does 1,025 fps -about what a 158 grain Magnum will do out of the same length barrel. I see no drastic advantage.

The 1" longer barrel will give you better velocities (especially if shooting Magnums) but is harder to carry (especially pocket carry) which I do like.

Well, that's just my opinion and I am sure many will not agree. Oh well, sorry.

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I have a 3” M60, great revolver and the price seems good compared to around here.

Great in an IWB or OWB holster, about at the limit barrel length wise for AIWB for me.

Imo, too big for a pocket and the sights and hammer are a snag issue. I use a 638 for that.
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I also vote for a 638, easy pocket carry, light weight, nothing to snag during draw.
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For me, it would be a belt gun. Way too big for a pocket, except maybe in a winter coat. But I don’t really care for pocket carrying anyway. The gun itself is fine, once you get used to the looks of the new design frame, hammer, etc. Price seems about right, providing the one you’re looking at is in nice shape and not modified. Buy it and give it a try. It will be much handier than the 2-1/2” K-frame.
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I've had one for many years ..... one of my favorite carry guns/revolvers.
It's a great "Kit gun" or back up to a long gun while hunting.
Easy to carry IWB in urban areas with +P .38s.

I have no problem carrying a 3" 66 IWB in a Milt Sparks Summer Special.
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I had a 60-10 and it was perfect under a shirt or iwb. It's a j-frame so no worries. Use the boot grips.
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Decent price if it's in good shape, perfect light-duty woods gun.

For CC, works IWB or OWB just fine, probably too long and a little too heavy for pocket.

I'd buy it and go IWB, and maybe later pick up a 2" 38Sp airweight for a pocket gun if you feel the need.
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This variant, along with the earlier 60-4 (same design but in 38 Spl) defines the maximum all around useful stainless Model 60. OTOH, if I already had a Model 19 for field and range, and wanted to add a Model 60 for purely concealed carry purposes, I’d grab up an early 2” example with fixed sights, bob the hammer, and tuck it away someplace easily reached, and feel well equipped. At $700 though, I’d probably drag that 60-10 home “just because”.
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Have a 2.5" Model 66-1 for CCW ,
My buddy had a pre IL 3" full lug Model 60-? for sale but when I compared its weight to my 66-1 snub it fealt almost the same.
I passed mostly because my K frames have better triggers and 6 rds vs 5 of .38/.357.
For pocket carry I switch to a Model 37 Airweight.

On a side note SS S&W's will rust from sweat especially under the grips so beware if you live in a hot humid area like here in SW Florida.

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My buddy had a pre IL 3" full lug Model 60-? for sale but when I compared its weight to my 66-1 snub it fealt almost the same.
Would have been a 60-4 in .38 Special with the firing pin on the hammer or a 60-10 in .357 with the flat hammer that strikes a frame mounted firing pin.

I'll bet you'd be a bit surprised at the weight difference if you put either of those and your 66 on a scale, especially loaded.
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I carried my Shortie 66 for a long while, maybe 25 years.
Don’t recall ever carrying front pocket, but carried rear pocket in some dark of the night situations.
Then I went to J Frame, including a 3 in 60.
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Would have been a 60-4 in .38 Special with the firing pin on the hammer or a 60-10 in .357 with the flat hammer that strikes a frame mounted firing pin.

I'll bet you'd be a bit surprised at the weight difference if you put either of those and your 66 on a scale, especially loaded.
The weight difference on a postal scale is, iirc, 6oz unloaded between my 2 1/2" M66 and my 3" M60.

Thats 24 oz for the M60 and 30oz for the M66. or 25% more for the M66, which is significant.
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... 25% more for the M66, which is significant.
I heartily agree. And you said "unloaded" so you have to add another cartridge, too.

Thanks for doing the measurements. I don't have a 66 or I would have done it.
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It would probably be too big for most of my pockets, but I think it would make a dandy IWB gun. Not too bulky like some of the larger framed revolvers. The adjustable sights are a bonus to me.
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IWB and easy to conceal. Nice thing about most IWBs with straps that snap over the belt is "easy off and on" if you need to go to "NO GUN ZONES".
Great snag at a good price.
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The weight difference on a postal scale is, iirc, 6oz unloaded between my 2 1/2" M66 and my 3" M60.

Thats 24 oz for the M60 and 30oz for the M66. or 25% more for the M66, which is significant.
I didn't weigh them side by side just picked one up then the other, the 6oz difference just wasnt enough to sway me over the K frame's better action and extra round of .357 as I only carry my Model 66 when I'm in an area where there might be 2 or 4 legged trouble.

South Florida only has 2 seasons, we have our "Summer" wIth windows open and great weather when it's snowing up north, the rest of the year we have our other season called "TOO DANG HOT (TDH)" .
When it's TDH you go from the AC house to the AC car to the AC job or mall which makes wearing jackets impractical (you can't open carry in Fl) .

During TDH mostly pancake OWB with an untucked shirt or pocket carry a Model 37 ( weighs a whopping 15 oz) .
When going to Mi-Jami, Ft Liqourdale or WPB carry a SW 6906 (26 oz) due to its 12+1 capacity because of the greater amount of miscreants in those places.

Sometimes rotate in a Model 3953, 39-2, 59, Model 12-2 or a 4" Model 29-3 Mountain gun if hiking in bear country.

The 3" Model 60 in .357 is a fine revolver but i already have enough J frames,
The obvious solution is to have several or one of each.

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Shorter bbl K frames can be carried with untucked shirts . But I get your point about concern for the finish in LS humidty and sweating .

Yes , the 60-10 is a fine gun , that's a decent price , etc . But , strictly as a carry gun , IF actual full power .357 ammo is important , I'd go with an SP-101 . If primarily to use .38 & +P , the .38spl J Frame of your prefered configuration .
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I have had a 60-10 for a long time.
The first one to come home was picked up in lieu of a 19-3 4” I had originally went to look at. Never regretted that choice. I just could not afford both at the time. Then my sneaky brother talked me into selling it to him for his wife. Figured I would “just” go buy another one. Wrong!!!
Took me almost two years to find a suitable replacement. Now the Pope could not get this one from me.
As a carry gun it works very well. IWB loaded with 38 +P rounds.
As a woods gun it gets loaded with 158 gr 357. Yeah the punch is a bit stiff but I don’t find it offensive. In our woods you can run into problems ranging from Yogi having a bad day to a some moron and his pot plantation. I will tolerate the extra recoil for Yogi.
Missing one shot from my 66-1 but that does not bother me. I have small hands and the 60 fits my hands perfectly. I shoot it better than the 66 snub so how much value that extra round imparts is questionable for me.
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...to me the best J-frame ever made... Have had two for going on 20 years. Both found used but like new. The fist one was just standard but the second was Mag-Na-Ported and turned out to be one of the Lew Horton Small Hunters model...one of 133 made.

They make a great all around carry gun, but of course not for the pocket.

For a load I use the Buffalo Outdoorman .38 Special 158 hardcast solid and the 158 HP-GC...both are going in the 1060 fps range from the 3" barrel. A lot more power than the 158 +P from the BigThree and a lot more pleasant to shoot than .357s...

Price is very reasonable...

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For CC in LA hot humid climate I'd be leaning towards a 2" stainless 38 J frame carried either in a IWB or pancake holster. Pocket is more difficult, again 2" 38 Airweight J frame either shrouded or hammerless in a pocket holster, NO target sights to snag on clothing. Choose shirts carefully, plenty long loose and irregular pattern to disguise outline of handgun.
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Lots of great opinions already, so I'll just add my "good choice" to the list.
i've had a 60-10 for a few years, works just fine with a 'good' IWB holster.... don't scrimp on that, because the added length needs a little more padding in there. I like the new 1791 moldable holster for my 3913, and if they make it for the J, get one. At least take a good look.... 3 layers, but not really bulky and the sharp parts are well-hidden. About $100.

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For holsters I use a REMORA IWB and a limited production DeSantis Speed Scabbard. A friend who has a 60-15 (same gun with the IL) gave me the Speed Scabbard after buying a Simply Rugged Silver Dollar Pancake. It can be worn IWB or OWB...
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For holsters I use a REMORA IWB and a limited production DeSantis Speed Scabbard. A friend who has a 60-15 (same gun with the IL) gave me the Speed Scabbard after buying a Simply Rugged Silver Dollar Pancake. It can be worn IWB or OWB...
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In the CC mode time to put aside the virtues of a range/target revolver, follow the long established practice of cops and crooks, a S&W or Colt 2" snub nose revolver. If well above average height/weight might get away with a 3" barrel.
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The SR silver dollar pancake is high on my list of possibles.
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...loved it enough to sell me the DeSantis... I have several Simply Rugged holsters K-L-N frame guns and Ruger/FA SAs and they are a very comfortable and well made carry holster.
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In the CC mode time to put aside the virtues of a range/target revolver, follow the long established practice of cops and crooks, a S&W or Colt 2" snub nose revolver. If well above average height/weight might get away with a 3" barrel.
Having been in LE for 30+ years, have to disagree with your logic...

There are no LEOs who currently carry snubbies...and those that did were investigators who NEVER get into gun fights.

Crooks also rarely get into gun fights and only carried a snub because it could be hidden easily and only going to be used at arms length...and these days crooks don't even carry them having switched to plastic guns quite some time ago.

As to CC with a 3" vs a 2", unless one pocket carries or in a ankle holster there is no difference. Both are going to have the same grip regardless of barrel length and the 1" of extra barrel make no difference IWB and little difference OTB...and makes the gun much more shootable...

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I think the 60-10 is the pinnacle of the .357 in the J-frame. Whether it's worth that price to you (no way it would be to me, but I'm old and cheap and I have several other tools that fill that role already) is for you to decide.
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Hey, I’m old and cheap, too - VERY cheap! 😉 I wouldn’t want to pay $700 for a 60-10, but if a 4-inch 29-2 is worth roughly $1200 in today’s crazy market I’d say a pretty good case could be made for $700 for the 60-10, assuming in nice shape.
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In the warm weather. I just carry OWB with a Larger Tee Shirt. Just remember you have to dress around the gun. Not to be fashionable. Most of the time I just carry in a OWB and leave my shirt untucked. It works for me.
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I have a 60-4 which is the same gun in .38 Special. Its my favorite hiking, camping, woods companion. I find the lugged barrel and adjustable sights add to both accuracy and shootability. The small size makes it easy to carry. I carry OWB in a good pancake style holster. I find it conceals quite well under a slightly over sized T-shirt.

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The price seems fair enough for a good .357 revolver.
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I have one that came with the rubber grips, which I changed to wood Hogue bantam boot grips. With the wood boot grips it's not much fun shooting many magnums.

I use mine mainly as a woods gun as I usually prefer small semi-autos for AISWB carry. However it should serve you well for that purpose.

$700 seems a bit high to me but maybe not these days.
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I have owned a 60-10 for many years. It is one of my favorites. I purchased it to carry as a backup gun while hunting in Colorado and Texas. I liked it so much I carried it as a duty gun sometimes, especially in plainclothes or court duty. If someone asked what I was carrying, I told them it was a 686 but it got wet in the rain and shrank. It is easy to carry, very shootable and packs a lot of punch for its size. It makes a fine carry gun in a proper holster. It conceals well under a denim vest with a few speed loaders in the pockets. With the factory rubber grips, it is much more pleasant to shoot Magnums out of than the alloy J frames. With such a wide range of factory ammo from target 38 wad cutters up to full power 357 Magnums, you can really tailor it to meet just about any power level you need from mild to wild.

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Having been in LE for 30+ years, have to disagree with your logic...

There are no LEOs who currently carry snubbies...and those that did were investigators who NEVER get into gun fights.
Crooks also rarely get into gun fights and only carried a snub because it could be hidden easily and only going to be used at arms length...and these days crooks don't even carry them having switched to plastic guns quite some time ago.
As to CC with a 3" vs a 2", unless one pocket carries or in a ankle holster there is no difference. Both are going to have the same grip regardless of barrel length and the 1" of extra barrel make no difference IWB and little difference OTB...and makes the gun much more shootable...
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Uh, wow, Bob, quite the certainty there. Must be those years in wild and wooly New Hampsha, eh?
I'm not gonna do one of those point by point disagreement things. I'll just say that in the rest of the country, every one of your assertations about cops and crooks would be incorrect.
Anyway, hope the skiing's good this year up in Sunapee.
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