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Old 05-12-2009, 09:18 AM
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Here's the deal. I have a 629-4 with a 6.5 in. barrel. Here is the picture.







It shoots great as-is. But I long for something more unique. The 6.5 barrel is well ,,long. And heavy.
I handload a lot of 44 Mag and Special stuff, none of it would be considered near maximum.
When I take a 44 to the range it's most often my 4" with standard partial underlug.

The Classic series with the full lug was only made in special runs in 3" ,and many of those had shortened ejector rods.

Then the barrel lengths jump to 5" and so on.


SO ,,my idea is to snip this barrel off at 3 1/2 inches, and retain the full length ejector rod.

I would cut and crown it retaining the exact appearance of the original muzzle.
Then using the old front sight, cut it off and mount it on the shorter barrel.

I have a friend with a fully equipped machine shop, who works on his own rifle barrels,
He has the crowning tool, and would do the initial work for no charge. Leaving me to do the detail work.

The barrel markings are acid etched and could be easily removed by bead blasting, then the standard brushed finish re done.

Cost in parts $0. Outside labor $0. My time : priceless .


In conclusion ; I am all but convinced I am going to do this. I only paid $400. for the gun originally.
The absolute worst that could happen? I screw up and have to buy a new barrel.

I have been a mechanic for the past 34 years of my adult life.


Talk me out of it. Or give me your yea, or Nay.



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Old 05-12-2009, 09:38 AM
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If you can remove (or live with) the barrel markings that are left and if you can remount the front sight, go for it. I much prefer the longer barrel on magnums, but do what pleases you!
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Old 05-12-2009, 09:55 AM
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You may wanna consider going to 4" instead of 3.5". Reason---Many states have a 4" minimum bbl length requirement if the gun is to be used for hunting.
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Old 05-12-2009, 10:04 AM
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I have been in the middle of a similar project. My 629 looked just like yours when I began. I bought a 3" barrel from Brownells and dropped it off at the so-called gunsmith. He bent the frame removing the original barrel. Gun is now a S&W on the gunsmith's dime to see if they can fix it.
I like your idea. I hope it works out for you better than it has for me.
I do still have hope that S&W will fix the gun. If they don't the gunsmith will be buying me a new gun of comparable value.
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Old 05-12-2009, 12:45 PM
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I vote for "DO IT !!!!"
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Old 05-12-2009, 01:20 PM
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Love them shorter barrels....
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Al,
You are on to something great. My preference would be to make it 4", since they've never made a 4" Classic model (M627 that is).
You can get the Weigand front sight base in either stainless or blue that has the Classic system, i.e., it accepts the quick change S&W blades as in your gun currently.
I'd leave it beadblasted finish, and would probably send it to S&W and see if they'd roll mark some proper factory markings in the barrel, that would be cool and no-one would be the wiser.
Whatever you decide to do, enjoy it.
P.S., if you go with my suggestions, remember to think of me when you tire of it, my 4" M610 project could use a friend....
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Old 05-12-2009, 01:49 PM
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Here's a link to the Weigand front sight base.

http://www.jackweigand.com/interfs.html
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Old 05-12-2009, 02:45 PM
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4" BARREL I've asked Smith to build the 629 classic with a 4" for years. Do it and then you can get a 625 4" for a partner. Then a 686 for a junior partner and a 3" Model 60 as your J Frame underlug special.

Build the 4" with the Weigand front sight.
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Old 05-12-2009, 06:17 PM
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The 4" Model 625 I had for a while was absolutely ideal as a heavy-duty sixgun. About the only improvement you could make would be to chamber it in 44 Magnum.


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Go for it. The gun will be far more useful when you can actually pack it. You want unique: make it 3.5".
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I agree, 3.5"...way too many 4" guns out there and not enuff 3.5" ones.
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Allen Frame - you know if you cut front sight off and make it where you cut a 1/16 inch deep slot on the end of now new barrel, why can't you pull the front sight and drill for a 4-40 screw and tap the new barrel and the screw or screws would be hid. Guess you could sliver solider it on?
A 4 inch would be a nice size to have.
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Update , welll ,, I have ordered the Weigand sight base, and a .200 Patridge blade.

The length is going to be 3 7/8ths. when finished. I will post on progress, and pictures as the project moves along.

Thanks ,Rob for the suggestion, now at least I know why they call you 'plenipotentiary" .


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Old 05-21-2009, 12:23 PM
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Here is the update. I received the Weigand front sight assy. in the mail, with the proper patridge front blade.
$50.00 shipped.
My friend Bruce cut the barrel down on his band saw , I had the frame and barrel assembly masking taped heavily to protect all surfaces from scuffing.
The total length at this point is 3 7/8inches.







And here is an idea what it will look like. Next off to the machine shop to have the slot cut for the front sight.

Then I will finish the end of the barrel by hand with a file and a buffing wheel.







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Old 05-31-2009, 11:34 AM
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Looks really good so far, Allen. That should be one sweet shooter.
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Hey, Al, I like your back yard a lot better than that gun.
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Old 08-18-2009, 07:47 PM
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The Weigand front sight would not work. The reason being; there was not enough material from the top of the barrel to the bore to machine the slot and have enough material left to drill and tap for the screw.
My gunsmith explained that the Weigand assembly is for when a front sight assembly is machined off, and a replaceable front blade assembly is desired.

So ,after we discussed it ,we decided on a Millett dovetailed front sight. Just like on my P.C. 629-5.

Cost for the front sight and cutting the slot/dovetail ; $73.00

Now all that is left to do is crown the muzzle, finish off the end in a suitable manner ,,and bead blast the barrel to remove the markings.

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Are you sort of guestimating that the dove-tailed front sight will be high enough? I would think that what's left of those barrel markings could be hand sanded off, or were you going to bead-blast the whole gun? Interesting project so far. You will need the use of a muzzle face cutter to make sure your barrel is square. That tool is not cheap. Then there is the all important proper crown to make it a shooter. Keep us posted, as I like your choice of barrel length with that full-lug.
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My gunsmith calculated the height of the front sight using the rear sight and the bore. He is really good and thorough.

I have already sanded off the barrel markings and hand polished the barrel back to a similar finish as the frame.

Squaring the barrel will be done using a small shop vise and a file.

My friend who cut the barrel has a crown cutter.

The whole idea here was to accomplish this without spending a small fortune.

I'll definitely post a range report.

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Looks great so far.

Keep us posted!
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Verrrrry cool! I'm waiting on the edge of my seat for more updates!
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I like the looks of that. I can't wait to see how it is going to shoot for you.


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The project looks good, I cut a 681 barrel from 4" to 3" and mounted to a round butt 66 but I turned the end of the barrel true and then cut back about .020 to the diameter of the barrel rethreaded to fit the 66 it looks nice but was a lot of work by me at no cost except time. If I had the 6.5 like yours I would have left it. A friend won a 25-2 as a year end prize where we used to shoot combat and he wanted me to cut it in front of the ejector shroud, it was like cutting my finger off, it was 6" and unfired but he liked it that way. Jeff
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After the work last night I went to the range this morning. With the rear sight all the way down it shoots 3" high at 15 yards. Using my 44 special 240 grain l.s.w.c.s over 7 grains of unique. I foolishly didn't take any other 44 stuff, but will fire it with different loads before deciding on a direction to go with the sights.

I like the idea of the cylinder and slide extreme duty rear. If they make one lower than the factory r. sight that would be just the ticket.

My best group at 25 feet , slow fire d.a. ,,,,,










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Allen,
that is HOT! And I 'm glad to see it shoots.


I just picked up this 629-3 5"




Yours is going to be a fantastic packing gun!

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Well done Allen- Well done. I think an extreme duty rear sight would add the finishing touch.
Two questions-Where did you get those grips, I really like them. And what does it weigh??
Also, If you want to get rid of those nasty grips it's wearing in the "before" picture, I'll take them off your hands-I'll even put a 10 spot in the mail to pay for the postage.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:55 PM
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That turned out flat beautiful!
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Very nice concept and well done work!

I have wondered, since the first of the full underlug Model 29's were introduced (M-29-3 Classic Hunter), why S&W didn't offer the Models 29 and 629 with a 4 inch underlug barrel option. They already have the forgings which they use on the 4 inch Model 625's and others. Of all the short-barreled Magnum-chambered sixguns, the .44 Magnum would make the best use of the extra weight of the full length lug.

It would be just right to be able to choose between the standard 1955 Target profile (original Model 29), the 1950 Target/Mountain Gun profile or full underlug profile on 4 inch .44 Magnums.
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I'm also curious about the weight of your finished gun. Also, what is the part number/height of that Millett front sight............Good job with the file!
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Using my digital bathroom scale, the difference between me holding the gun, and not holding the gun is 2.8 lbs. I figure that translates to 2lb. 12oz.
It feels the same in the hand as my 5" 625-2 and actually weighs a couple of ounces more.

The Millett front sight is one for a Browning Hi Power, it is the only height available for that gun with adjustable sights. They do not make a taller front sight.

Cajun lawyer. Thank you for your generous offer to relieve me of those funky old grips. But if I did send them to you,,then one of my guns would have to go naked. And that would be a shame.

The cylinder and slide rear sight is going to be about $90. shipped.

I'm thinking that before I spend any more cash I might try a modification to the existing rear sight.

I will first deepen the groove in the rear sight blade,, then ,with the sight tightened down all the way ,continue the groove forward, right into the base and through the screw head.

Then at the range, with various loads I will remove height from the rear blade until it shoots to point of aim with a cross section of my handloads.
Then I will round the blade to a smooth radius, ala ,C&S heavy duty style.

Again ,all I have to lose is the cost of a new rear sight assembly.

Thanks for the encouraging words and such. I very much appreciate your input.

Tomorrow I will shoot it at the outdoor range with various loads ,,rested and see what it'll do at 15 and 25 yards.

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Allen, some of us are waiting with bated breath on the results that you were going to post. We are not only interested in the results but want to hear that you and the project are still in one piece.
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Old 09-26-2009, 10:36 AM
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I'll admit I had doubts when you first started the project, but so far it looks to be an outstanding job!
My congradulations on a job well done!
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