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Ret MOS you bring great memories

My tax number was 894***

My class was the second or third to have the NY-1 revolver(1988 I think second)
my collection is growing fast with my friends leaving the job.

I love the S&W model 64 four inch the best, but I still have a few 3" around.

I purchased a few at the equipment section all are very well fitted with clean action.

Over the years I did see a bunch of fake NY-1, lot of cylinder bind, my guess some gun stores sent out a bunch of frames to get the NY-1 stamp from some guy having a bad day with the hammer and the yokes were mixed up and made proper fitting near impossible for a quack gunsmith. oh well
the fake stamps are easy to spot.

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Actually the no dash Model 60 NY-1 Stamping was done at the NYPD Range, here are some pictures of the Punches, The NY-1(and yes it didnt line up straight), The Silhoutte that was stamped under the NY-1 after it passed inspection and the actual Go/No Go gauge that was used on the sideplates to see if the trigger pin hole was within specs. I compared my NY-1 and Silhoutte marking to the punches and its a match. The later NY-1 Model 60-2 were stamped at the factory and were aesthetically more pleasing, I havent seen any -2 model 60's with the silhoutte stamp yet.
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Very helpful, and interesting thread. I only have one NY-1, but I hope to eventually get one of each.
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Actually the no dash Model 60 NY-1 Stamping was done at the NYPD Range, here are some pictures of the Punches, The NY-1Punch (and yes it didnt line up straight), The Silhoutte Punch that was stamped under the NY-1 after it passed inspection and the actual Go/No Go gauge that was used on the sideplates to see if the trigger pin hole was within specs. I compared my NY-1 and Silhoutte marking to the punches and its a match. The later NY-1 Model 60-2 were stamped at the factory and were aesthetically more pleasing, I havent seen any -2 model 60's with the silhoutte stamp yet.
great post, thanks for the education and showing the actual tools....I appreciate it...I had no idea NYPD did their own markings and used a go-no go gauge like that
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The NYPD has always had officers that are assigned to the range armory as full time gunsmiths, a few have 30 years of service. The later NY-1 stamping done at the factory looked alot neater but, I have to admit over the years I have seen factory stamping from S&W that looked like someone was having a bad day with the hammer and punch also.
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When a gun was purchased at the Equiptment section it was automatically deemed servicable/authorized. When a gun was purchased from a private vendor it was supposed to be taken to the range and approved/authorized by a range instructor. The only modification allowable was the switching of the wood grips to a rubber approved brand, ( basically Pachymyr ). So as a desk Sgt, when a cop brought me their new weapon the first thing we did was throw away the cheap original grips and put on rubber ones. ( We showed them) Then I would make an entry in the Blotter as to the Weapon, serial #, Mos, and place of purchase etc etc. Finally, we had to fill out and send a form to the NYSP which kept a NYS record of every gun owned in the state. Once a year during inspections we would print out a teletype, sometimes hundreds of pages long with the MOS and every gun registered to him. Well, some of the cops had 50 or more guns at home and impossible to have them carry in and inspect each one. Although I DID it as I was supposed to. Anyway, you can see where some may have slipped through the cracks and ended up for sale, changed, altered, or sold w/o the Department knowing. Some of the precincts had hundreds of cops and you can see the logistics of trying to account for every gun. When I left the Dept had 45,000 members. So that's basically why all these guns have rubber grips and the ( **** ) wooden ones were discarded right into the garbage can under the desk. As my Alzheimer fades and comes will add more. One last thing, with the transition to 9mm's I believe the dept gave you the gun for free, but you were required to buy and show the Desk the leather gear for the gun Belt, Holster etc etc which cost about $150. The transition course from revolver to 9mm was 3 days at the range. Many habits at the range were drilled into you and after 20 plus years I still do. However, here in Florida those habits are deemed wrong, inappropriate, and even dangerous, but that's another thread.
The Equipment Bureau did a little more than just log guns in back in the 1970s. I had a cousin that served 75-99. When he retired he gave me his M10 & M36 with the original boxes and all the paperwork. Included in the paperwork for both guns was a sheet from the Equipment Bureau with a checked off list. The Bureau listed several items including removing the side plate for an inspection of the internal workings. I do not post pictures of this paperwork to prevent some unscrupulous person from making fakes.

I know that graduation classes in the 70s were smaller than the 80s but I cannot imagine how long it took to inspect each gun.
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Does anyone know the serial number range on the 2" model 64's?
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How popular are the NYPD Centennials with factory frosted finish? I have a spare one and am looking to sell it off.
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LOBO My NY-1 2" 64 is BPDXXXX only 478 2" Roundbutts were made (SCSW 3rd edition)

S. Kelly, what up my friend, Like the prefix on my 64 above lol......Seriously, the 640's as you know are popular, the NYPD variants even more so especially the 640-2 (J Magnum) .38 Special as the box was marked NYPD.............
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Mine is BEKXXXX and has the fronsted finish as well as the SN# laser etched on the left side of the frame just below the cylinder. Without a doubt, one of my best shooters and prized revolvers...
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How popular are the NYPD Centennials with factory frosted finish? I have a spare one and am looking to sell it off.
I just bought one, paid $350

Its a 640 no dash, not P+ marked

Its in decent shape some holster wear and some wear on the grips

I will have some pics soon!
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LOBO My NY-1 2" 64 is BPDXXXX only 478 2" Roundbutts were made (SCSW 3rd edition)
Humm this is interesting, my new to me (supposed to be NYPD and think it is) 640 has a BPD serial number its BPD28XX
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Actually the no dash Model 60 NY-1 Stamping was done at the NYPD Range, here are some pictures of the Punches, The NY-1(and yes it didnt line up straight), The Silhoutte that was stamped under the NY-1 after it passed inspection and the actual Go/No Go gauge that was used on the sideplates to see if the trigger pin hole was within specs. I compared my NY-1 and Silhoutte marking to the punches and its a match. The later NY-1 Model 60-2 were stamped at the factory and were aesthetically more pleasing, I havent seen any -2 model 60's with the silhoutte stamp yet.
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LOBO My NY-1 2" 64 is BPDXXXX only 478 2" Roundbutts were made (SCSW 3rd edition)

S. Kelly, what up my friend, Like the prefix on my 64 above lol......Seriously, the 640's as you know are popular, the NYPD variants even more so especially the 640-2 (J Magnum) .38 Special as the box was marked NYPD.............
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Humm this is interesting, my new to me (supposed to be NYPD and think it is) 640 has a BPD serial number its BPD28XX
From the prefix, id say you are correct but would have to have that lettered to see if it was shipped to the NYPD Equipment Section. But your model 640 having the same prefix as my model 64 is not suprising.
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Hi Louie, nice prefix. Hope all's well in NY-1 land!
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I am really late on this but . I came on the NYPD in 1982. I picked the ruger police service six for my service weapon. we had full hammers . not that dao ****. Back when i came on the job, NYPD trusted us with single action . the guys that later came on messed up big time with all the accidental shootings.87 class got the **** end. When you saw a officer with a REAL! hammer revolver , you knew he was a vet. Im a 877 tax number and I'm still here baby with my smith and wesson 5946

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I'm retired NYPD as well and was given the choice between the S&W 64 and the Ruger GPNY (GP100 in spurless). I chose the 64 before eventually switching to the Glock. I like Rugers and own a Service Six in .357, but the Ruger just looks WRONG with the spurless hammer, and particularly with those rubber Pachmayr grips on it. The S&W still has flowing, pleasing lines, even with the bobbed hammer. The Ruger (the Service Six especially), looks deformed with the spurless hammer and big rubber grips.
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Who are you calling ugly



I'd call it awkward!!


Little better looking



Much nicer looking!!

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I'm retired NYPD as well and was given the choice between the S&W 64 and the Ruger GPNY (GP100 in spurless). I chose the 64 before eventually switching to the Glock. I like Rugers and own a Service Six in .357, but the Ruger just looks WRONG with the spurless hammer, and particularly with those rubber Pachmayr grips on it. The S&W still has flowing, pleasing lines, even with the bobbed hammer. The Ruger (the Service Six especially), looks deformed with the spurless hammer and big rubber grips.
no way bro. i wasnt going spurless. i never changed the original wood grips. i just put t handle on. till the 93 transition to 9's
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I just love reviving these old posts. I had a question about getting a letter from S&W. I just purchased my model 60-2 NY-1 revolver and was wanting to get a letter as well. I called S&W but got nowhere with the automated system. Any information you might be able to provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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There were some S&W NY-1 guns that never were sold to NYPD vendors or such, but were over-runs and went to the commercial market. I bought a 4 inch Model 64 NY-1 brand new in the box from Harrison Carol in 1988. Round butt, DAO, spurless hammer, frosted or bead blast finish, S/N AWT29xx. Mr. Carol advised me there were about 60 over-run guns in that batch. It's still unfired and I ought to find it a new home.
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I just love reviving these old posts. I had a question about getting a letter from S&W. I just purchased my model 60-2 NY-1 revolver and was wanting to get a letter as well. I called S&W but got nowhere with the automated system. Any information you might be able to provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Letters now come through the historical society.

Smith & Wesson Historical Foundation - Letter Process - Insuring that the rich history of Smith & Wesson will continue for generations to come

They cost $75 and I dont think in this case will tell you anything that we cant splice together on our own. I saw your gun in another thread, it has been restored to DA/SA. I am guessing its a return that was resold by S&W.

The complete story can be found in some threads here and in the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson. Its interesting and you might enjoy the read.

Another place that has loads of information but will take some time to sort through is

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If you use your serial number and look through the invoices you will find it. Also look in the returned pages and I think you will find it too. This will also give you the shipping date.

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This one came from a Suffolk County, New York retired LEO a long time ago.

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Just wondering if any of the NYPD retiree's ever shot at the 71st. Regiment Armory on 33rd and Park Ave. ? In the 50's my high school rifle team used that range after the detectives were through at 4PM. "Hey kid ya wanna shoot my gun"??

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Partialy true, several other departments (NYC) were permitted to purchase firearms directly from the equip section. Corrections was allowed at one time to purchase M-10 revolvers.

I purchased 2 model 36's with 3" heavy barrels from the equip section back in 82. They were $61 bucks each, were originally offered as service revolvers (on duty) for police women. I gave one to my father-in-law who had a carry permit (jeweler) and I still have one. BTW, the serial numbers are sequencial.

So, without checking, I would figure the ES had guns ny-1's in stock long after the recall.
I've seen Equipment Bureau sales to non-MOS: DA's office, United Nations, Fire Marshalls, Sanitation police, City Marshall, Department Surgeons (!), and a few others. Oddly I have copies of sales ledgers from the 1920's where it has pistol permit coupons stuck in the book, indicating sale to someone who needed a pistol permit and thus was presumably not on the job.

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