In an article by R. M. Vivas printed in the SCSW 3rd Edition, it is noted that the 60 NY-1 was “made available in the summer of 1987 and by late 1988 was withdrawn from service.” Mr. Vivas notes that in 1988 “a series of problems” arose. It is my understanding that the bobbed hammer that came on the 60 NY-1 was too light (low mass) and did not provide 100% reliability in popping the primer. Notwithstanding the intervention of S&W armorers, “some problems continued and the guns were removed from the authorized weapons list” in late 1988. Again, according to Mr. Vivas, the guns left in the Equipment Bureau (1,253 units) that had not been sold to individual officers were returned to S&W on June 23, 1989." It is believed the revolvers returned to S&W were modified from DAO to SA/DA and resold commercially.

When I recently purchased a Model 60-2 NY-1 (Just picked up my Model 60-2 NY-1 (Photos)), I figured it was one of the 1,253 that were returned to S&W in June of 1989. So, when I sent my letter request to Roy Jinks, I specifically asked if the revolver was one of the 1,253 returned units. When I got the factory letter below, I immediately skipped to the line that says the revolver had never been returned to S&W. I figured, well, somewhere along the way it had a replacement hammer installed. However, after I read the rest of the paragraph unique to my revolver, I noted that it was originally shipped to New York City Police Equipment Bureau on October 17, 1989.

Wait a minute, why would the Equipment Bureau be receiving a new 60 NY-1 almost a year after they had been de-authorized and four months after returning all their remaining stock to S&W? Now I’m beginning to wonder if the SA/DA hammer is original to the revolver, but then again I thought the Equipment Bureau ordered DAO for sale to the officers at that time.

Any thoughts from the NY-1 or NYPD collectors out there?

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Just a bump to the top to match it up with the other post.

Nice gun by the way.

Thanks for the bump, Nortredame. I thought there were a bunch of NYPD collectors out there who would chime in on this one.

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The Range is located at Rodman's neck Bronx NY, not Randalls Island
I hope this helps, I will stop by the range and say hi

I have just picked up in mint shape a 64 4" and a 64 3"

My NY-1 collection is growing fast with all my friends retiring

I stand corrected Sal, too busy trying to type before thinking. City Island to be specific.
Ya think a Throggs Neck boy woulda got that right first time.

Since we're talkin' NY-1's:

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Mike: I placed a PM for BigBoku, thanks.

Mike and Sal: Out here the LAPD directly obtains the firearms it issues to its officers such as Berettas and now Glocks. In addition to issued weapons, officers are allowed to carry other authorized weapons. Usually, the officers will obtain their authorized weapons through the Los Angeles Police Revolver and Athletic Club (LAPRAAC) located on the grounds of the Police Academy. Officers may also purchase other non-authorized firearms through LAPRAAC. I'm wondering if the Equipment Bureau operated that way, i.e., could NYPD officers order/obtain other non-authorized firearms for their personal use through the Equipment Bureau?

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The short answer is no, the equipment section only sell Glocks, etc
guns used and authorized by NYPD.

But any mos (Member of the service, Officers etc) could purchase anything you want at any gun shop or dealer, example any 1911's other auto's

The sad thing you can't carry them on duty, now off duty is another topic for another time

Ladder 13 I love your pics, I have the same and love them very much,

I don't have any chiefs or 5 shots, I never had any use for them

I have model 64's handy 3" and 4" they work great with my safariland speed loaders CompII on patrol or off duty before autos

Sal1911a wrote:Thanks, Sal. It's just with a ship date from S&W to NYPD Equipment Bureau of late 1989, almost a year after the 60 NY-1 was de-authorized, it doesn't seem to make sense. But hey, that happens sometimes when collecting S&Ws.

Mike: Don't worry about hi-jacking the thread with photos . . . as you noted above, we love photos.

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That's not my understanding at all, based on a post here a few years ago by Bob Vivas. I don't think that there was EVER a problem popping primers with the M60 NY-1. Where there was a problem was with the engineers WORRYING about popping primers. Prompted by SAAMI specs, they went for a stronger mainspring. This made the size of the hammer stud (hammer pin) hole in the sideplate more critical. Even with all sideplates inspected after a recall, there were still sometimes severe functional problems from the increased mainspring weight. Eventually the repeated problems caused the NYPD Firearms Unit to nix the purchase. It is my understanding that the Firearms Unit experimented with a large number of 36's and experienced what I have experienced with a much smaller number of guns, both J & K: bobbing the hammer and changing nothing else does not reduce reliability of the gun.

Don't know if Bob Vivas still posts here. I believe that you could get the above synopsis confirmed by RichCapeCod, who was there at the time.

Model520fan is correct the hammer stud hole in the sideplate was the problem on the NY-1 Model 60's S&W inspected each of the guns at the range and if the gun was found to be within spec they stamped the inside of the frame above the yoke with a silhoutte target.

If your gun has that stamp above the NY-1 than it was one of the guns that was in the NYPD inventory. Before the changeover to the new forum R.M. Vivas has a great article on the S&W NY-1 Model 60's but I can't seem to locate it.

Hope this helps..........and FYI The NY-1 Model 60 was replaced with the S&W 640 which were not marked NY-1 on the guyn itself.