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Old 08-22-2013, 06:50 PM
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I own LOT of tools and plenty of precision measuring devises most of which belonged to either my Father or Grandfather and are Starrett brand. I use them almost every day but I recently was in need of some new Punches as most of them were worn out, bent, or have just been reground so many times they were too short. I ordered a new Starrett set from Brownell's and was pleasantly surprised to see the quality of their Punches are as good today as they were back in the day. Something you rarely see anymore. I went on their website and was happy to see that most of their measuring devises and tools are STILL made in the USA - amazing since I think they are one of the last Tool Makers left here. Anyway, just thought I'd share some good news for a change.

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I agree! I have a small precision measuring device collection and Starrett are my favorites. I have several micrometers from many manufacturers including Brown & Sharpe, Mitutoyo, Starrett and believe it or not Lufkin to name a few. I also use the Starrett punches. Any well made tool is a pleasure to use!
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Starrett has always been the standard by which all others were judged. They have always made quality micrometers. I have an inside mic set from 1" to 12" and several outside micrometers made by them. Mine are all old but work just fine and never let me down.
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Their hacksaw blades are excellent, also.
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Ya remember the Starrett dial indicators that said on the face "Last Word"

Well, it is!

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Starrett tools are good but not the best.
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Starrett are good and I have alot of them but Brown & Sharpe will give them a good run for there money.
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OK - do tell, who makes better tools? I always interested in tools.
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OK - do tell, who makes better tools? I always interested in tools.
IMO Etalon makes a better mic. I have a 0-4 set. We have several shop mic sets that we use. Starret, B&S.

My choice for test indicators are Interapid, & B&S. Have several of each.

Plunger or dial indicators my choice is Mitutoyo, & B&S. I use the Mitutoyo the most.

Herman Schmidt is quality. I have their surface gage. I also have 2 Starret ones. The shop owns several of their products.

I have been collecting tools since 1978 when I got out of tool making trade school. I was tool poor for a while at my second job after trade school. Company would buy the tools for you and then do payroll deduction w/o interest.
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I also have 5 Brown & Sharpe Micrometers (a set 0-1" 1 -2" 2-3" 3-4" 4-5") and a few standard model as well. Got several Starrett Mic's & few Calipers, a couple of Mitutoyo's and two Federal run out gauges. Lots of Scribes, Punches, Rules, Squares, Calipers, Thread Gauges (internal & external) Pin Vises, and stuff that I have probably forgotten about.

I must admit that I am unfamiliar with Etalon and H. Schmidt but will Google them just to earn about them. Thanks for the reply as I always like to learn.
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I have spent so many years with a Starrett "Slim-line" mic in my hand I almost recoil at the feel of anything else.

That said, there are a lot of good brands and personal preference does play a part.

I was glad to see Dave remembered "the Last Word." Means something to a few of us.
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You can't go wrong with Starrett, Brown and Sharp, or Mitutoyo. I retired as a Metrology Engineer, and we used all of these in the standards lab.
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Their bandsaw blades are the best, too.
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Ya remember the Starrett dial indicators that said on the face "Last Word"

Well, it is!

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If there's a Starrett measuring tool I don't much like it's the Last Word indicator! Point is very short, the spring loading is high, it's too easy to move the travel direction switch to an intermediate location which will give erratic readings, and the replaceable tips' serrations wear down over time (a long time, granted!) allowing the point to slip under the heavy spring loading, forcing the user to "chase" the contact...But other than that, it's OK.

Starrett punches, though, are very nice and have remained consistant for many years.

Favorite Starrett measuring tools? Their vernier calipers from 12" to 72".



A late friend delivering one of the six foot beasties. We've bigger, but I haven't used them!



My 12" Starrett vernier is a far better tool than the digital thing below it, but I just haven't gotten around to replacing the smaller set. Micrometers get far more use in that small size range, anyway, at least for the cruder work....

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Just in case there is someone here who doesn't yet know I hate change and modern digital stuff...... I much prefer my Starrett Dial caliper to the digital ones, the standard Starrett & Brown & Sharpe Mics to the digital ones, and I still prefer my RCBS 10-10 powder scale over the newer digital powder scales.
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I have several Starrett tools, but mostly Brown and Sharpe stuff. I grew up a mile from " Precision Park" ( the B&S) home in North Kingstown, RI. I had a neighbor that used to get me rejected pieces from the scrap barrel. He would take them, check them for claibration, and give them to me. The defects were usually anick or a scuff on the bbl. Nothing that would impede the use or accuracy of the tool. I have now passed most of them on to my son in the automotive field. I guess there is still some B&S, but not like the used to be. Their new building was over a million square feet. A big portion of that is now rented to other companies. The unions broke them, or should I say broke themselves, with the longest strike in US history
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My most heavily used test indicator is a Brown & Sharpe 0.0005" graduated Model 599-7035-5 with the nice long friction locked stem and black face. But it's Swiss made, I think. It actually does work well down to the nearest 0.0001", as it has less hysteresis than the usual 0.0001" indicators, but I double check with the finer resolution units if it's important. We've electronic indicators that come in useful on occasion, but are generally used for visually inaccessible or tight areas or for really tiny runouts. Otherwise, they're a "pill". And not US mfg, either...

As for dial calipers...they're OK, until they're not! Nothing like having one jump a tooth to give you big problems. Tend to wear out in localized areas as well. Had to retire one some time back for just that sort of problem. Failed calibration by about 0.0025" around mid travel, IIRC.

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Just in case there is someone here who doesn't yet know I hate change and modern digital stuff...... I much prefer my Starrett Dial caliper to the digital ones, the standard Starrett & Brown & Sharpe Mics to the digital ones, and I still prefer my RCBS 10-10 powder scale over the newer digital powder scales.
My old Pacific scale is still the best reloading scale in the "pile". It's outlasted many others, including some digital units.

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Starrett and Brown & Sharpe were the Colt-S&W rivalry of the precision tool world.

I have some old catalogs from them as well as Lufkin and it's pretty cool all the different tools they made. I buy them up whenever I see them at flea markets and yard sales. Stuff most of todays CNC operators wouldn't have a clue to.

I have an Etalon 0-1" mic and it is a very well made tool. But the 50yr old Starrett I've had for 35yrs is lighter and feels better. Kinda like a K-frame vs an L.

A Charmilles EDM machine we have has Etalon mic heads for table and ram adjustments.


Starrett makes , or did make , different grades of mics too. Full machined frames , smooth black forged frames , cast black frames. The shiny black frames had ground threads. The black cast frames had rolled threads and are economy grade.

The imports seem to be taking over this field too.
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Basic Brown & Sharpe products handle the measuring chores at the reloading bench here.
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I have been in Quality assurance for over 40 years and always believed you should buy the best tools you could possibly afford.
My first choice for Most, but not all, precision measuring tools is Starrett and I have a lot of them. Micrometers - Starrett and I also like the old Lufkin and it's short lived successor Pratt & Whitney. Dial calipers- my first choice was B&S (Brown & Sharpe); Starretts always felt gritty to me and didn't have a covered rack. Dial Indicators - depends on the type of indicator and it's use. I have B&S, Standard, and Starrett indicators. For Levels, squares scales small hole gages telescope gages etc Starrett all the way.
Mitutoyo tools are good workhorse tools but I always felt the Mic's were larger than necessary and bulky. Their Dial calipers seemed to wear quicker than either Starrett or B&S but were relatively cheap.
B&S micrometers: good mics but the thimble was attached to the measuring spindle with a set screw instead of the taperlock that Starrett (and Mitutoyo) uses I havew seen many cases where ( especially a larger micrometer) the face of the measuring spindle got bumped and while the Starrett's were usualloy non the worse the B&S could and would slip past the set screw resulting in inaccurate readings. This soured me on B&S mic's.
Slocum, Craftsman, Scherr-Tumico, and others - OK tools but if price is equal or even close - Buy the Starrett.
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... Micrometers - Starrett and I also like the old Lufkin and it's short lived successor Pratt & Whitney....
Pratt and Whitney diversified quite a bit for a while. Lost their focus, I think, but they did do some good precision equipment.





Not one of their smaller tools!

The only P&W tools that I own are a boring head and a "micrometer head with precision spacers set" for use on pre-DRO-equipped jig borers.

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Starrett makes an excellent precision measuring tool. Always did, but Brown & Sharpe were the pioneers. They made the first affordable Venier Caliper and Micrometers. The Starrett tools were always copy's of the B&S line until the 1950's, when B&S began to go down, and Starrett became the only game in town. Both were and are excellent tools. They represent an America that is fast disappearing.
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I just found my "New In Box" Starrett (9131/2) drill press vise that I bought 22 years ago and forgot about because I was in the middle of packing up my shop to move to our current home. I had been using a cheap imported version for all these years and when I found the Starrett last night I immediately put it into use on the drill press. Now the imported one will be used strictly as a back up. I also found my machinists box with all my clamps, jacks, blocks, etc. (most are Starrett too) that over the years ticked me off for not knowing where the heck I had stashed them.

They had all been given a light coating of Rig Universal Grease so they are all still in pristine condition.

Also in my "new found tool box" are a set of Brass Laps, Steel Laps, Reamers, End Mills and special drill Bits. I am fine with everything except the Laps which I do not have instructions for and never have used them. I have been searching the Internet for instructions but have not come up with anything meaningful, so if anyone here has some instructions on how to use Laps I'd greatly appreciate it!

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I just found my "New In Box" Starrett (9131/2) drill press vise that I bought 22 years ago and forgot about because I was in the middle of packing up my shop to move to our current home. I had been using a cheap imported version for all these years and when I found the Starrett last night I immediately put it into use on the drill press. Now the imported one will be used strictly as a back up. I also found my machinists box with all my clamps, jacks, blocks, etc. (most are Starrett too) that over the years ticked me off for not knowing where the heck I had stashed them.

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The vise is one thing that Starrett makes that they are NOT far and away the best of breed. For machine vises the Kurt Anglelock's are as good as a vise can get on a mill or drill press. Even as far back as you got yours Starrett was having most of their vises subcontracted by Wilton. Wilton are very good but just not like Kurt's.
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This is a very early Starett micrometer, one of the first models sold by them.



I am pretty sure Pratt & Whitney Machine tools were separate from other P&W divisions. Also JT Slocum was a neighbor to P&W even a contractor to Pratt. Now that is a long interesting story...

I always like Lufkin stuff, I have some LNIB someplace.

B&S made nice stuff but I liked Starett better. Starett's electronic stuff was not so good, dont know if its improved.

I never cared for the B&S calipers without the thumb roller yet I know some guys that LOVE them...

To each their own...
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Approaching 40 years in quality, with much of my measuring tools Starrett, still in use today although now in my garage machine shop use which is not as demanding.... but still works. I agree that the dial gages usually do not have the durability as B&S have and for most commercial and military tool applications you would be hard set to see much other than B&S.
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The vise is one thing that Starrett makes that they are NOT far and away the best of breed. For machine vises the Kurt Anglelock's are as good as a vise can get on a mill or drill press. Even as far back as you got yours Starrett was having most of their vises subcontracted by Wilton. Wilton are very good but just not like Kurt's.
You're probably correct and the Kurt's are VERY NICE but $600 to $700 bucks for a Drill Press vise is a bit overkill unless you are a Pro or use your Drill Press all day long. I also think you are quite right about Wilton building Starrett's Drill Press vises and I do like Wilton's USA stuff. I've got a 5" Bench Vise made by Wilton (USA MADE) that I purchased about 25 years ago. Now they are also $600 + bucks. Glad I bought most of my stuff years ago.......

PS: Wilton STILL makes their top of the line vises in the USA but does have their mid to lower end stuff imported. One of my friends just bought a 5" imported Wilton Bench model and for the money it's not too bad. NOT the same as the stuff made here, but for the average guy it sure beats the Harbor Freight, Home Depot, Sears, etc stuff!

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6 and 8" Kurts are great, but the 4" gets a lot of use with gun parts and such:




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Hey jaymoore........

Now I know who can make those obsolete Smith parts!

I'm jealous!
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Now I know who can make those obsolete Smith parts!

I'm jealous!
Don't be. Whittling out parts is hugely cost/time ineffective on a small scale. I still buy guns on occasion just to get parts. Those M1/M14 hammers were a prototyping effort to develop a low mass/ fast lock time unit for competition/precision use. Each one when finished would likely bill out at $1000 or more. There's hope yet that a manufacturer will jump on. I just wanted to push the envelope. (poked plumb through a couple of times, but that's fine.)





We made huge improvements in lock time (as measured with super high speed photography- 10,000 frames per second!) with no reduction in primer ignition reliability. I just need to back off around the hammer nose area IF I try again.

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Buy the good stuff once and after the initial price is forgotten, the pride of ownership and joy of use is there every time you use it. Buy cheap junk and you have a temporary joy over the price, but every time you use it you are subject to frustration. Don't ask me how I've learned this!

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