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Old 10-22-2017, 09:43 PM
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Default Disabling The Magazine Safety On A Model 52

I know that some shooters like to disable the magazine safety on their pistols. It's very easy to do on the Model 52. First remove the magazine then rack the slide keeping it open with the slide stop. With a Torx # 5 screwdriver remove the small Rear Sight Lock Screw located on the right side of the sight (looking from the rear). With a small wooden dowel, tap the left side of the Rear Sight towards the right until the Ejector Depressor Plunger well is fully exposed (see pic below). Remove the Ejector Depressor Plunger Spring as well as The Ejector Depressor Plunger itself located below the spring. You now can tap the Rear Sight with your wooden dowel back to it's original position. Reinstall the Rear Side Lock Screw and your good to go.
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Default Model 52 Mag Safety Removal

I learn something everyday...
Removal of Mag Safety by Removal of Ejector Depressor Plunger & Ejector Depressor Plunger Spring has got to be a worthwhile "modification" to my Model 52.
No long term or detrimental effects?
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Since the M52 is a competition firearm, it 's worth considering something important. That is, virtually all the governing bodies that run organized pistol competition, such as the NRA, the CMP, and the UIT, require that firearms used in matches must have all safety devices in full operating condition.

I'm not sure what the objective of this modification might be, but it will get you barred from a match.

Should the removed parts get lost or misplaced, it might negatively impact the resale value of your M52, should your prospective buyer be a competitive shooter.

Just a friendly FYI.

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Since the M52 is a competition firearm, it 's worth considering something important. That is, virtually all the governing bodies that run organized pistol competition, such as the NRA, the CMP, and the UIT, require that firearms used in matches must have all safety devices in full operating condition.

I'm not sure what the objective of this modification might be, but it will get you barred from a match.

Should the removed parts get lost or misplaced, it might negatively impact the resale value of your M52, should your prospective buyer be a competitive shooter.

Just a friendly FYI.

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Couldn't have been better said. The 52 is a bullseye gun. There are no speed reloads, no tactical reloads. In bullseye shooting you never leave a loaded round in the chamber. Why take away a safety feature that protects those around you at the range?
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It doesn't protect anyone, and doesn't do anything useful. Find me another bullseye pistol with a magazine disconnect. I'll wait.
I have shot in a few dozen matches, and every Browning HiPower and S&W auto had its mag disconnect removed, and it was never even mentioned by the governing bodies.
In some of the matches, the hammer had to be in the forward position after unload/show clear. I would have needed to have an empty mag in my pocket to do that.
ALSO lots of shooters like to dry-fire practice. I do this thousands of times a week, and I WILL NOT DO IT with a magazine inserted. So...
What's wrong with removing the mag disconnect again?
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Old 01-10-2018, 02:14 PM
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It doesn't protect anyone, and doesn't do anything useful. Find me another bullseye pistol with a magazine disconnect. I'll wait.
I have shot in a few dozen matches, and every Browning HiPower and S&W auto had its mag disconnect removed, and it was never even mentioned by the governing bodies.
In some of the matches, the hammer had to be in the forward position after unload/show clear. I would have needed to have an empty mag in my pocket to do that.
ALSO lots of shooters like to dry-fire practice. I do this thousands of times a week, and I WILL NOT DO IT with a magazine inserted. So...
What's wrong with removing the mag disconnect again?
I won't keep you waiting.
Ever heard of the Smith and Wesson model 41?

Read this:
Model 41 Mag Disconnect

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Removing the factory designed, mfg'd and factory installed magazine safety and then shooting an NRA pistol match with the gun would most likely void your score in that match.
That of course if someone brought the condition to the attention of a judge in the Match.

In the high stakes matches this would be taken quite seriously as any bending of the rules is seen as an attempt to gain that 'edge' over the next competitor. Conversley, anything you can use to get the other guy's score thrown out of the match can only help you too!. A point either way makes the difference just like any of the top competitor shooting sports.

I would think the factory mfg'd and installed mag safety falls under the 'Operational Safeties' deffinitions in the NRA Pistol Competition Rule Book.
Through out the rules, the pistols and revolvers in competition must always be in a condition of..
'All standard safety features of the gun must operate properly. "

Deffinition of operational safeties from the Rules:
• 3.7 Operational Safeties- These safeties will include:
1. Manual safety operated by the shooter while handling
the firearm
2. Grip safety operated by normal holding of the firearm
3. Drop safeties incorporated to prevent discharge if the
firearm is accidentally dropped
4. Internal safeties such as transfer bars, firing pin blocks,
hammer blocks, and half cock notches, when installed in firearms
as originally manufactured.

I think #4 would cover the magazine safety though it does not specificly mention it. It does use the language of 'such as'.

What does it all mean,,probably not much to average weekend Bullseye Industrial League shooter.
Not much checking of the trigger pulls for NRA minimum or measuring grips to see if they have too much curl at the bottom.
Shoot for score,,have some fun,,maybe win a recycled plastic bowling trophy at the end of the year.
I used to do it,,it's a lot of fun.

The other point of not removing a mag safety from a pure target pistol is also well taken.
It's a little extra safety. When they say 'magazines out,,slides back,,guns unloaded on the bench',,there's that one more safety involved.
Especially when the shooters all leave their guns unattended and walk down to mark targets in an outdoor match.

If you want to over-ride the mag safety and still not have the issue of haveing an opperable magazine in the gun,,as well as having the slide lock back each time you rack the slide to cock it,,,,take the least quality magazine for the pistol you have and remove the mag spring and follower.
In most cases,with most pistols,, it will still actuate the magazine safety, but you won't be able to accidently 'load' it and it won't lock the slide back each time you re-cock the pistol while dryfire practice. The latter can be kind of annoying.

One certified Bullseye nut I knew even had one with a bit of lead in the thing that weighed the same as the 5rds of ammo and the spring and followed he removed(yes he was a perfectionist). Simply weighed the stuff up on a reloading scale.
That gave him the weight of a full mag for dryfire practice but no chance of a loaded pistol.
IIRC he may have even lightly crimped over the feed lips just a bit too, just to satisfy himself a bit more that the mag could not injest a live round and somehow end up in the chamber and then the wall of his gun room during dryfire practice.

http://compete.nra.org/documents/pdf...istol-book.pdf
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The magazine safety on the HP actually has a minor impact on the trigger pull. That's the only reason I disabled mine. On the 52 (and 41) I don't think it has any effect, at least not that I've read about, so they will remain in place.
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The magazine safety on the HP actually has a minor impact on the trigger pull. That's the only reason I disabled mine. On the 52 (and 41) I don't think it has any effect, at least not that I've read about, so they will remain in place.
As far as I know Tom it doesn't have any affect on the trigger at all. The reason that I originally posted the info is that a lot of shooters like to disable their magazine safeties for whatever reason.
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The magazine safety is, in my view, a real convenience for peace officers and others who must put a gun on in the morning and take it off at night. It means that you can safely disable the gun without having to remove the round that is in the chamber. Just pop the mag out, put the gun on the table, hide the mag, and reinsert the mag the next morning. I would not remove the magazine safety on a service or EDC gun. On a competition gun, I might if there were an actual benefit in doing so.
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The magazine safety is, in my view, a real convenience for peace officers and others who must put a gun on in the morning and take it off at night. It means that you can safely disable the gun without having to remove the round that is in the chamber. Just pop the mag out, put the gun on the table, hide the mag, and reinsert the mag the next morning. ....
Magazine disconnects are hotly debated topic. This idea pops up periodically. It's bad for multiple reasons.

Most basically, some pistols can be fired despite the disconnect, e.g., the 39/59 series, drop safety is still an issue, and the practice can encourage bad gun handling. Legally, is the pistol loaded or is it unloaded?

I'm aware of two reported fatal incidents and one non-fatal that I investigated.
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