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Old 05-21-2018, 07:12 PM
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So I had this reallllly worn .32-20 circa 1918 that needed some help. I told my son ( he’s 12) that we could redo it and it would be his first k frame (he has an I frame that I gave him) he was all in and anything that gets a kid off their phone/internet is ok with me. This was my only .32-20 and with the ammo being expensive, and it being so worn and out of time, ... no regrets..
A gunbroker parts kit and we were off...after the disassembly (he did it) it was bead blaster time..


Then some wire wheeling
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Then I installed the barrel...I planned on showing him the shoulder setback, but wouldn’t you know it...this one was perfect..handtight at about 10 o’clock and a little more and it was done...

He drilled the barrel pin slot and we both put the pin in...tomorrow after school test reassembly while the rust blue stuff is enroute
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There is a young fella who will not be helpless when he is 18. Most young guys these days have no idea how to do anything with their hands. Well done and I bet that old gun will mean a great deal to him 50 years from now! Well done!
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Nice project. Great to see youngsters getting involved in hands on work.
No matter what they end up doing in life, it'll always be of value and the time you'll have spent together is priceless.

Great pics,,we'll be watching!


One trick when you wire wheel finish the surface for bluing,, put a light coat of most any oil on the surface of the metal first, then go over it with the wire wheel. Anything from motor oil to WD40 will work fine.
No need for heavy pressure when doing the wirewheel work, just lightly work it over from all directions.
You can go right over the old & worn bluing on the other parts too and it'll blend it in nicely so the rust bluing will pick it up from there and make a great looking finish.

The oil allows the wire to slide a bit when being done and lightly burnishes the surface leaving it a bit brighter than if not used.
The better part of it is that it blends in polishing lines from different directions and will also show up any really bad marks or scars that may be hiding in the polish.
These latter marks will come back and show through your bluing later if not taken care of now.

Using oil on the surface and a wirewheel was a prep that was popular with many of the custom 'smiths of the pre-war era and makes an excellent surface for rust blue which they used almost exclusively.
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What a great story on father, son bonding. Plus the young man learns skills that will last a life time. Good job.
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/\. Thanks! Will try that
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My oldest daughter used to help me with projects like your son is doing now. She was my right hand on everything from home improvement projects to firearms to engines. Always wanted to help, always interested in the "how" and "why" of what we did. She's now a Mechanical Engineer. Good on you for keeping him involved!
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Thumbs up! If you need any small parts, let me know. I probably have any piece you could possibly need for a .32-20 Hand Ejector. I'd happily donate them to a joint project like yours that seeks to help the next generation survive.
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Thanks—-forgot to mention that I got a .38 special parts kit...we reload for that and after he shot my n frame he fell in love with that round...
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Outstanding project and good for you. Big attaboy on personal protective gear. One point. When using a grinder or wire wheel, safety glasses ARE NOT SUFFICIENT PROTECTION! I learned at the ER that goggles are the best eye protection, even better than a face shield. Best when with face shield and goggles. The ERs see almost no injuries when using goggles. Not true with the other PPE.

I was lucky, you/your son might not be.

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/\ noted. I’ll look into goggles.

So while he was In school (day off for me/shift work) I reassembled the revolver. Lots of hand fitting needed on the other side plate and even on the rear arch underside of the hammer for the cylinder release to operate. This would have been boring for a 12 year old to watch so I got it all done. Then I totally took it apart and didn’t tell him I did the tedious boring work. I also loaded 100 rounds of .38 special light loads for him as summer is coming. So when he came home I let him unwind for a bit and then had him roll crimp the reloads. A small added chore to keep him in the loop of the whole process but not enough to overburden/burn him out after a whole day of school. After dinner I pried him away from his video games and he reassembled it. I could see he knows which parts are what systems now, just the sequence and orientation are all over the place ��


I let him choose from 2 sets of grips. I then walked him through a function test, and then we tested a primer...success! He’s pleased with himself...now it sits until brownells box arrives..

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Update with a spy shot!
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Doing stuff like this is so vital to parenting. Even if someday he looses interest in shooting or working on mechanical things the doing things with dad part will stick. Keep up the good work.

I also applaud you for not overloading the kid.

Had a boss once and he got a 1/4 midget race car for his young son. I went to a track with them. He started having the kid do laps, timer and all right away. Kid was tired of the car fast. Told the boss, first let him have fun with it, jet him make a couple mistakes etc. After that maybe take it up a notch.
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Great job! Looks like a bright future for that fellow!!
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A small added chore to keep him in the loop of the whole process but not enough to overburden/burn him out after a whole day of school.
I can recall as a 12-year old getting up at oh-dark-thirty to split kindling for Mon's wood box, mixing formula and bottle feeding the baby calves, scoping out poops from the loafing shed, eating breakfast, catching the bus for an hour ride to school, hitting the books (and of course recess), riding the bus for another hour, then repeating the morning chores again for the evening. After school there was another daily task - filling a one-yard garden trailer with rocks picked from the pasture and dumping them in a stream crossing. I've still got a knife I made from scratch (with Dad's help) in the hours left over from daily chores. I used the knife to skin rabbits I raised and sold to the local meat market.

Makes me tired just thinking about it.

Good for you keeping your kid busy working and thinking on his own. There will be less time to get into mischief - (don't ask me how I know about mischief)

Of course, in those days there were only two TV channels from the rabbit ears and the rotary dial phone was connected to a party line. Dad was always cooking up more fun than TV or the phone anyway.
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Out of the oil soak, reassembled



He’s not a fan of the early rear sights, and he got straight a’s this year in school, so I ordered him a wondersight. That, and get the second side plate engraved, and she’s done
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The revolver turned out really nice, hope it shoots as good as it looks.

Great job with your son.
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Nice way to get you rSon involved in the hobby and it looks like it turned out great!
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Wondersight installed and also a lanyard loop (no drill/slip on). He’ll carry this sometimes when we are working/walking on the grandparents farm under close observation if he chooses. I grew up a city kid in Queens..I live in suburbia but his grandparents live on 20 acres in the Shenandoah valley next to the national forest. I get him out there every chance I can for some manual labor. Can’t believe he’ll be 13 soon

Get the sideplate engraved and then it’s downrange time


He likes this sIght much better
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I grew up in Queens also and shot on my high school rifle team and at the range downtown on Murray Street (Manhattan Rifle & Revolver Assoc). I couldn't wait for summer when I worked on a farm in West Coxsackie upstate and would have a couple of hours after chores at night to wander with my .22 rifle and see what rhino's or lion's or a real idiot crow I could scare up.
Your son is very lucky.

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Congratulations to your son and you to.

Thanks for teaching him some of life's lessons. He will be a man well before his peers.

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Today I dropped the side plate off at an engraver...took trips to three different places..

Yesterday was funny...so 3 days ago we sent off for a factory letter on his revolver. Some history,geography, etc for him..he put it in the mailbox...yesterday during the 43 mile commute home he calls me all excited...”Dad the smith and Wesson letter came” told him no way, it’s just for the letter I sent away for last month..he says nope says fixed sight and mine has a fixed sight...then I said, “ so who’s name was on the package?” Silence....was funny..got home and sure enough he tore that envelope open so bad it looked like a honey badger wanted it...point being even the wife was surprised how excited he was...and....he thinks Roy gets those letters out super quick
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So it laser sighted in shooting high. I didn’t want to teach him the 6 o’clock hold. So I welded a bead to the front sight,filed,cold blued, and painted. It lasered In so to the local range I went. (Inlaws farm is 90 minutes away). It’s ready for summer now

This is at 15 yards freehand

Schools out next week.
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I thought the wondersight (rear) was adjustable for height?
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It is. But fully bottomed out it was still high...I even filed the firing pin back corner where It stick out of the hammer to get a few hairs lower...the brownells sight calculator said the front needed to be .091 higher....
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Let us know when you get the boy down on the farm. Shooting a pistol that you helped tune with your dad, priceless.
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Well I picked up the engraved side plate today. The engraving came out nice. But.
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I am a pretty easygoing guy. I went from annoyed to laughing pretty quick. Glad it’s something I can redo/fix if I choose to or let it ride and laugh...(ignore the tape residue)
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Neat project, looks like you have a good kid. Its fun to have ones children involved with our projects.
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Showed the wife ...she said “it’s kind of comical...like a misspelled tattoo lol
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Went out to the inlaws farm this break. It’s way hot in VA today. Radio saying 106 with heat index. FIL and their neighbor are seeing a lot of bear in their woods so I let him carry his revolver for the first time. It was a good lesson on what to do if we see a bear and also about sick/injured/aggressive animals. He said he felt better being able to protect himself. So we hiked around the property while it was cool out. We also talked about his grandfather/my dad and how today is the 50th anniversary of the day he got on the freedom bird and left Vietnam for home. (I shot my 1911 in remberance) Great father son time and teaching him important stuff. In the afternoon we shot a little bit before we got to hot. Life is Good.




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So my boy was all excited the factory letter arrived


So we researched how far Dothan is from us and then discovered the company is still in business. Tomorrow we’ll write them a letter and see what they say. You never know
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I think I can speak for my fellow Forum members when I say that we've had almost as much fun following this thread as you have had doing the project with your son.
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Glad you guys are enjoying it

The store closed in 2014 but is now a museum. Apparently the gun counter is still there and there was a shotgun range in the building! I sent an email to the museum so we’ll see
E.R. Porter Hardware museum opens in Dothan with much fanfare | Government | dothaneagle.com
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I really like this thread. Good stuff. Look forward to sharing times like that with my daughter. She's only 14 months old but goes to all of the gun shows, gun shops, and pawn shops trolling for revolvers with me. Also, she's likely the youngest member of the Smith & Wesson Collectors Association Signed her up in Reno last month.
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Great job! The world definitely needs more dads who take the time to teach their children. I'm sure he learned many valuable lessons, and created many happy memories for him later in life.
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Not much to add but a funny pic..

Morning walk in bear country with his smith. Wearing my Ronald reagan t shirt ...funny.
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I think you should leave the engraved side plate as is. At some point, I hope it makes you smile like it did for me. It really matches the rear sight paint and front sight bead. It brings a bigger smile when you posted your target.
Knowing that it is a one-of-a-kind priceless piece that will never be sold, it adds to the great memories.
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What a fantastic story. You are a great father to do this and he's an exceptional so to do all that work with you. I taught my young son to work on his guns and to reload when he was 15 and he still works on them and now has a Dillon 650 press to reload on. Start him off on a single stage press and look out. Looks like he found a great hobby.
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