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Old 06-11-2018, 09:32 PM
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Looking at a 20 ga SxS that fires both barrels and when either trigger is pulled. It is a double trigger gun. Would like to know if this sounds like a simple fix or a major problem. Some of the members here are knowledgeable on shotguns and may have some ideas. Donít have the gun to pull the stock and see what it does or if something is broken. It is being sold as is, described as broken. Looks like it could be a good buy and a great gun for pheasants. Larry
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Old 06-11-2018, 09:35 PM
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Manufacture and age? Could be simple to repair
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You did not say age or manufacturer. For my .02, it might be an inertia block, or someone may have tried to lighten the pull and stoned or filed the sear engagement to much. A job best left to professionals. it would be nice to know more about the gun
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Itís a Stoeger woodlander, not sure of the date manufacture. Nice looking gun made on the higher end of SxSís. It has side clips which is a nice feature. Looks like extractors also, Larry
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Iíd check with the manufacturer/distributor on parts and service availability.

This is a contemporary gun I have little experience with, but not a problem Iíd treat as a DIYS job. Iíd figure a few hundred dollars for repairs then decide whether itís a bargain or not.

Working, it would be a good pheasant gun.
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Jebus, do a Google search on this problem related to the Stoeger Woodlander. This has happened to other owners......
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Itís a Stoeger woodlander . . .
Yeah, they do that . . .

You could take it to a gunsmith with double gun experience/expertise but they'll probably tell you what most shotgunners know: Stoeger hasn't imported a decent shotgun in more than 40 years. Most guns that bear the Stoeger name are junk.
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With a double trigger gun, there is no inertial block. Could be gunk in the action, more likely bad sear/hammer interfaces.

This isn't something for kitchen table repair efforts. The idea to get in touch with Stoeger about parts/service is a good one. If the repair involves creating good hammers/sears, the repair could cost more than the gun is worth.

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The Woodlander I remember was made in Spain by Sarasqueta(sp?) and imported by Stoeger in the 50 and 60's.
Maybe they have a more modern version out now. There's an 'Uplander' shotgun on the market but I think thats mgf in Brazil.
So many of them around now on the market and they come from all around the globe.

Sears used to sell the Woodlanders and other Spanish made SxS's too with their own Model designation and name on them.

IMHO it's most likely worn sear nose(s) and/or worn sear notches in the hammers if it's the old Woodlander from the 50's/60's.
Light weight sear springs could also be in the mix allowing the problem.

They were pretty good shotguns but the Spanish guns of the period just didn't always have the best steel and heat treatment in their parts. Soft sears and engagement surfaces were common.
They made some spectacular guns as well as some so-so guns.

If the gun 'doubles' while dry firing it,,I might also consider the sear arms are touching each other at the back end. Both being lifted with either trigger being pulled.


Also check closely while dry firing by looking at the second trigger while pulling the other,,see if the second trigger is being lifted/pulled along with the intentional pull of the first.
That would indicate something interfering with the separation of the triggers,,a splinter of wood, a piece of a screw dropped in there during reassembly at some time,,ect..I've seen both.

I'd guess the worst for the gun in that the sear noses and /or the sear notches in the hammers are worn.
New parts for these about non-existent. Any around are those stripped from worn out guns so you get about what you are having the problem with. Nothing is a drop-in fit in these from my experience.

Sears can be reshaped and rehardened. Sear notched can be rebuilt, shaped and hammers rehardened.

It can all be redone and the gun made to work very nicely if this is the problem (which we really don't since we can't see inside it!)

But assuming the worst, it's an expensive repair if you have to pay for it. The shotgun is probably a $400 gun off a gunshow table (Spanish, Double trigger ,extractor gun).
So don't get too awful deep into it.

Just my thoughts.
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Old 06-12-2018, 01:26 PM
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I had a WW 101 over and under with a single trigger that doubled. Knowing I was over my head, I had a knowledgeable gunsmith fix it.
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Cheap double barrel shotguns with double triggers, especially cheap foreign makes from Spain and Turkey, often omit the sear interruptors. A double with double triggers and sear interrupters cannot double unless both triggers are pulled simultaneously. As observed above, the sear engagement notches are likely worn, soft, dirty, or all three, or the trigger levers are grinding together. A skilled gunsmith can fix them, for which his fee would likely equal the value of the gun.

Sear interrupters are critical safety devices to keep the gun from doubling or going off when bumped. Nobody cares about them till something goes wrong. There is a dirty little secret about a storied American double barrel shotgun brand with no sear interrupters.
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The more answers I get here, it seems better to pass on it. This is the Zephyr Woodlander made back in the 60ís and imported by Stoeger. Made by I believe Victor Sarasqueta (not sure on spelling). They had a lot of nice features back then. Itís NOT one of the new Stoegers made today. This is a gunbroker shotgun if someone wants to take a chance on it.

Called the local gunsmith and found out he is retiring in abt 2 weeks, the gun store he is at is closing. Walt fixed a previous SxS for me and is one of the good old fashioned gunsmiths. Crown firearms is going out of business. Thanks for all the good info, good forum to belong to. Larry
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