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Old 07-09-2018, 08:48 PM
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I have a new 649 its apparent the barrel is not screwed on straight which is causing the gun to shoot 3 inch off to the left at 25 feet single action off sand bags. using 38 special factory and handloads. anyone ever have this issue, any info would be helpful. im thinking sending it to smith would be the best move. thanks for any help.
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:05 PM
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Welcome to the forum....

Sorry to see that your first post has to do with an issue rather than praise for your new firearm.

On good days, J-frames are notoriously difficult to shoot accurately.

Has anyone else shot the gun? If so, did they experience the same accuracy problem as you have described?

If so, then, yes, a trip back to the mothership may be in order.

Make contact with S&W and they will send a return label. Hopefully with a short turnaround.

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Old 07-09-2018, 09:11 PM
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I have lots of smith revos guess it was my fault not looking closer but that was kinda the last thing I was thinking that the barrel was not clocked straight. back to the mothership as you put it !!
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:27 PM
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My 442-1 is the same.....it's been back twice and it's still canted.
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My 442-1 is the same.....it's been back twice and it's still canted.
Smith & Wesson just can't get it right.
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:36 PM
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yes had two other people look at it and shoot it. and they know how to shoot very well. they said send her back also and it shot the same for them.
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:39 PM
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im hoping for the best, it does shoot very tight groups for a snub nose , even 38 s with 200 grain bullets and 357 s with 230 penn bullets
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I have a new 649 its apparent the barrel is not screwed on straight which is causing the gun to shoot 3 inch off to the left at 25 feet single action off sand bags. using 38 special factory and handloads. anyone ever have this issue, any info would be helpful. im thinking sending it to smith would be the best move. thanks for any help.

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S&W has been plagued with this problem for some time now and they just can't seem to figure out how to prevent it. You may not like my advise, but hey..... you asked so here it is:

I'd leave it alone or do what I'd do stated below! Not that it wouldn't bother me too, however more than likely you will get the gun back in worse shape than you send it off in.

To be 3" off center at 25 feet with a 2" snub gun is not the end of the world since it's not a target gun and it's a gun that if used to defend yourself would most likely be used at 5 feet and you will not be aiming in the traditional sense.

YES - I KNOW it's not right! I just don't want you to have to go through all the hassle of shipping and waiting and get a gun back that is in worse shape, scratched, nicked and not repaired properly to boot!

3" at 25 feet should be correctable by filing the rear sight track with a needle file. Go slowly and carefully and make SURE you constantly test shoot it during the process with your carry ammo. Since it's Stainless Steel if done correctly it will not be noticeable and you will have a gun that shoots true. At least that is what I'd do if it were mine - RATHER than sending it back and taking a big chance.

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YES - I KNOW it's not right! I just don't want you to have to go through all the hassle of shipping and waiting and get a gun back that is in worse shape, scratched, nicked and not repaired properly to boot!

3" at 25 feet should be correctable by filing the rear sight track with a needle file. Go slowly and carefully and make SURE you constantly test shoot it during the process with your carry ammo. Since it's Stainless Steel if done correctly it will not be noticeable and you will have a gun that shoots true. At least that is what I'd do if it were mine - RATHER than sending it back and taking a big chance.
So rather than send it in and get it fixed the right way, you're suggesting to modify a new gun.

Send it in and demand it be done right. If it comes back worse off (which I doubt due to my own experience) then send it back until it's done to a new gun standard.

My 60 was canted and 10 years old when I sent it in. Came back just fine. I smack the 100 yard gong with mine.
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Send it back as many times as it takes to get it the way it is suppose to be. We should not care how many times or how many hours it takes them to get it right. They have bean counters to worry about their bottom line and when the costs get prohibitive, maybe assembly guys will improve. "In the old days", the assembly guys were paid by piece work. The gun was fixed by the guy that built it no matter how many times he had to work on it.
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According to my calculation, your angular error is 0.57 . Kudos to you if you can offhand a snubnose steady enough to notice the error.
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A canted barrel on an S&W? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. Apologies to Captain Louis Renault.
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Good luck, they (S&W) flat out refused to fix mine. I finally decided since it was, after all, a short barreled revolver, it wasn't worth it to duke it out with the Customer Service Mgr.
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So rather than send it in and get it fixed the right way, you're suggesting to modify a new gun.

Send it in and demand it be done right. If it comes back worse off (which I doubt due to my own experience) then send it back until it's done to a new gun standard.

My 60 was canted and 10 years old when I sent it in. Came back just fine. I smack the 100 yard gong with mine.
Bruce,

If all was proper with the world sending it in to the Factory and getting it repaired PROPERLY would be the way to go. SADLY, S&W does not have a good track record (as of recently) doing that! Just read many of the posts here about guns being sent in multiple times and being returned in the same or worse condition. Sorry to say it, but the S&W Co. of today is not what it use to be. If one gets his faulty Revolver repaired properly the first time - it's sheer luck IMO. Just stating what I believe is true according to my experiences and reading other posts here.

Rather than turn a lousy situation into a worse one, sometimes it's better to get the end result you want (if applicable & practical of course) and not have all the aggravation. It's sad we sometimes have to think this way and while it's not right, sometimes it avoids much aggravation in the long run.

If the B/C Gap on the posters 649 and all other aspects are perfect and all he want to do is adjust POA to POI, then what I suggested is more than likely the easiest, simplest and best way to go about this - at least for someone capable and with proper simpe tools. Unfortunate - but it is what it is these days........
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:37 PM
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thanks guys for all the replies, I sent it back so we will see what happens. if it still shoots off I can machine a new front sight on my mill and make it offset a bit. a lot of bs to get a gun on target but like I said we will see
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:41 PM
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thanks for all the replies, I sent it in with a little reservation. yeah its not a target gun but we will see how it shoots when I get it back. hoping for the best
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thanks for all the replies, I sent it in with a little reservation. yeah its not a target gun but we will see how it shoots when I get it back. hoping for the best
I've used the rear sight track filing adjustment method more than once on fixed sight guns and it works very very well. After filing, an Arkansas Stone smooths things out and most would never know it had been done. Most importantly - they shoot POA = POI. I wish you the best of luck with the Factory but if it comes back no better, now you at least have a viable alternative method.

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got my 649 back from the canted barrel, straight now . it appears they did not replace it just alighned it. either way its shoots poa and still shoots very small groups. well worth sending it back. shooting a snub nose is a lot tougher than shooting a 5 or 6 inch barreled revolver .!!!
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Fixed, imagine that. And the sun shall rise.
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One month elapsed time for the repair including shipping and it's fixed. Yay !!!

Not too shabby if you ask me. Thanks for follow-up posting. Most don't bother.
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yeah I was blown away it shot dead center left to right, 158s shot about 2 inches high but right on. 200 gr. 38 about 6 inches high and 230 gr. magnums shot about 9-10 inches high . All three bullet weights shot dead center just the elevation changed. damn I was happy. installing a taller front sight and going to dial it in with the 200s .
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If all was proper with the world sending it in to the Factory and getting it repaired PROPERLY would be the way to go. SADLY, S&W does not have a good track record (as of recently) doing that! Just read many of the posts here about guns being sent in multiple times and being returned in the same or worse condition. Sorry to say it, but the S&W Co. of today is not what it use to be. If one gets his faulty Revolver repaired properly the first time - it's sheer luck IMO. Just stating what I believe is true according to my experiences and reading other posts here.

Rather than turn a lousy situation into a worse one, sometimes it's better to get the end result you want (if applicable & practical of course) and not have all the aggravation. It's sad we sometimes have to think this way and while it's not right, sometimes it avoids much aggravation in the long run.
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got my 649 back from the canted barrel, straight now . it appears they did not replace it just alighned it. either way its shoots poa and still shoots very small groups. well worth sending it back. shooting a snub nose is a lot tougher than shooting a 5 or 6 inch barreled revolver .!!!
Gee sorry chief38 that you feel that way. I've used Smith & Wesson service many time in the last decade. All my experiences have turned out very good and for anything that wasn't warranty (9 out of 10 were) was done right at a very reasonable price.

PinGun glad you used Smith & Wesson to straighten out your gun..
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Gee sorry chief38 that you feel that way. I've used Smith & Wesson service many time in the last decade. All my experiences have turned out very good and for anything that wasn't warranty (9 out of 10 were) was done right at a very reasonable price.

PinGun glad you used Smith & Wesson to straighten out your gun..
I'm glad everything turned out well for you - unfortunately from what I've personally experienced and read right here on this Forum, that ISN'T always the case. You have been here for a while now, just read the posts on Factory repairs. Some do go well, and some are not so "pretty". It shouldn't have to be a ****-shoot when sending in a firearm!
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