Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-04-2018, 09:55 AM
Inusuit's Avatar
Inusuit Inusuit is offline
Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: SE Wyoming
Posts: 1,650
Likes: 2,171
Liked 2,100 Times in 799 Posts
Default Cylinder release stuck on K22

I'm looking at a 1949 K22. Functions perfectly DA and SA. Cylinder release will not move. Is this likely unscrewed ejector rod? Right hand thread to tighten, correct? Is the best solution to remove yoke and cylinder to tighten the rod?

Are there other problems that could cause this? I loosened the release screw a full turn and that made no difference. Revolver has not been lubricated in 30 years if that is relevant.

This is a museum specimen, not a shooter, but I would like to fix this issue.

Thanks for the assistance.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-04-2018, 10:20 AM
ben_g1's Avatar
ben_g1 ben_g1 is offline
US Veteran
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Iowa
Posts: 984
Likes: 908
Liked 1,431 Times in 454 Posts
Default

The cylinder release pin may not be seated in its hole ( center of recoil plate). You can usually reset it by working thru the hammer opening, but removing the side plate would be the best way to check/fix it.
__________________
Vietnam 1969-1971
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #3  
Old 10-04-2018, 12:00 PM
RMFnLA RMFnLA is offline
Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 158
Likes: 89
Liked 101 Times in 59 Posts
Default

Could be many things; much easier to open 'er up and see rather than continue guessing.

Don't pry that sideplate off; remove the screws and pop the grip section with a rawhide or plastic hammer.

Better yet, take it to someone who's done this before.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #4  
Old 10-04-2018, 12:26 PM
Boudiepitbull Boudiepitbull is offline
Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Vermont
Posts: 288
Likes: 419
Liked 409 Times in 162 Posts
Default

Not lubricating for 30 years may be a strong clue...
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #5  
Old 10-04-2018, 01:09 PM
Inusuit's Avatar
Inusuit Inusuit is offline
Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: SE Wyoming
Posts: 1,650
Likes: 2,171
Liked 2,100 Times in 799 Posts
Default

Thanks for the responses and suggestions. I have a dozen or so Smiths in my personal collection, so I've done the drill on side plates.

This one is a museum collection, so there's a reluctance on the part of the staff to take things apart. There is also a strange disinclination to use oil on anything. I'm a bit OCD on having things work, but there is really no need for this one to work as it would only be a display piece.

ben_g1. This has the frame mounted firing pin so access through the hammer opening is blocked.

I don't think there is a fix unless I can take it apart.

Last edited by Inusuit; 10-04-2018 at 01:15 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #6  
Old 10-04-2018, 01:34 PM
Toolguy Toolguy is offline
Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Kansas City area
Posts: 1,702
Likes: 5,122
Liked 2,129 Times in 918 Posts
Default

It may be just congealed oil holding everything tight. An overnight soak in some solvent would help if that is the cause. Can't hurt, might help.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 10-04-2018, 03:10 PM
arjay's Avatar
arjay arjay is online now
Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Colorado
Posts: 11,420
Likes: 54,516
Liked 15,713 Times in 5,427 Posts
Default

Could be the rod or the bolt (hope that's the name of it)
Had one do this a few weeks ago.Took the thumb piece off and was able to use a small tool to jiggle the bolt back into the recoil shield.Good luck!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #8  
Old 10-04-2018, 03:32 PM
WR Moore WR Moore is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,514
Likes: 136
Liked 1,563 Times in 886 Posts
Default

If not lubed in 30 years, I'd suggest taking the stocks off and putting the piece in a bucket of kerosene for a week or so and then trying again.

Tightness of the extractor rod isn't an issue if the thumb piece won't move. The thumb piece moves the center pin. The issue may well be corrosion and/or dried out lube on the center pin. Possibly on the bolt (thing the thumb piece moves), but unlikely. The locking bolt might also be an issue. The kerosene soak should take care of the problems and should be followed by a detail strip, clean and lube.

I'm not sure what you meant by the release screw. If you're referring to the nut on the thumb piece, all that does is hold the thumb piece onto the bolt. If you refer to the yoke retaining screw, that has no effect either.

Last edited by WR Moore; 10-04-2018 at 03:37 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-04-2018, 04:10 PM
Inusuit's Avatar
Inusuit Inusuit is offline
Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: SE Wyoming
Posts: 1,650
Likes: 2,171
Liked 2,100 Times in 799 Posts
Default

To close the loop, those who speculated congealed lubricant were correct. The senior curator applied more pressure than I was willing to. The latch moved, the cylinder opened. The latch loosened up with repeated movement. Curator said it felt like hardened grease. Thanks again to all who posted.

Yes, I meant the nut on the cylinder release. And as usual, I was wrong.

Last edited by Inusuit; 10-04-2018 at 04:11 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #10  
Old 10-04-2018, 04:44 PM
Camster Camster is offline
Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Surrounded by too many people
Posts: 3,136
Likes: 619
Liked 1,045 Times in 569 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boudiepitbull View Post
Not lubricating for 30 years may be a strong clue...
My guess as well. The gun is gummed up.I once owned a 1948 K22 that had been stagnant for years-it took a little TLC to straighten it out.

(My business often involves dealing with gummed up old mechanisms.I'm still surprised by how severely parts can seize up.)
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-04-2018, 06:37 PM
armorer951's Avatar
armorer951 armorer951 is online now
Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Evansville, Indiana USA
Posts: 3,510
Likes: 145
Liked 3,844 Times in 1,515 Posts
Default

Over prolonged periods of time, WD-40 can harden into what resembles epoxy resin, or lacquer. Soaking in a suitable penetrant/cleaner is about the only way to soften it enough to get it out of the mechanism.
__________________
Ret LE, FA Instr, S&W Armorer
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-04-2018, 09:11 PM
Walter Rego Walter Rego is offline
SWCA Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Occupied California
Posts: 1,329
Likes: 329
Liked 2,003 Times in 526 Posts
Default

Twice in the last 20 years I have had the same thing happen. Both times with used guns that I had recently purchased and given a thorough cleaning. Except for disassembling the extractor rod, center pin and star. What I guess happened was that the cleaning had liquified old varnished oil (maybe the dreaded WD40) which then hardened again and froze the center pin. In both cases I stood the revolver up vertically, put a couple drops of Kroil on the little spring loaded locking bolt tip that sticks out of the barrel lug and at the junction of the rod tip and locking bolt and let it sit overnight. In one case it freed right up afterwards and I then detail stripped and lubed the extractor assembly. In the most recent case I also had to apply heat with a hair dryer to the rod and then I got it open. I generally don't like to take apart the extractor rod assembly and just drip solvent down it and then blast with Gunscrubber and lube.

Last edited by Walter Rego; 10-04-2018 at 09:13 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-05-2018, 05:58 AM
steelslaver's Avatar
steelslaver steelslaver is offline
US Veteran
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Central Montana
Posts: 5,131
Likes: 2,207
Liked 9,774 Times in 3,150 Posts
Default

Don't forget the lug under the barrel at end of ejector rod. If it gets bound up center pin can't move forward. If it was mine first thing would be a 2 day soak in a transmission fluid/kerosene/acetone mix with the grips off.

I have never had to drill the side plate screws. I have heated them a bit and another trick is to take the shaft of an old screw driver, grind or file the tip to fit well, place is slot with gun sitting on a non marring, but solid surface and then give the screwdriver shaft a couple wacks with a small hammer.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-05-2018, 10:28 AM
Krogen Krogen is offline
Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Puget Sound
Posts: 586
Likes: 565
Liked 505 Times in 218 Posts
Default

Now that you have the gun loosened up, would you tell us something about the gun itself? Why is it in a museum? Did it belong to somebody famous? Or infamous? While it sounds like a very desirable gun, I don't think it's spectacularly rare. That makes me wonder about its provenance.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-05-2018, 04:49 PM
Inusuit's Avatar
Inusuit Inusuit is offline
Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: SE Wyoming
Posts: 1,650
Likes: 2,171
Liked 2,100 Times in 799 Posts
Default

Krogen, I will double check the next time I'm working as to the provenance of this particular revolver. I usually do 3-5 hours Wednesday/Thursday. The Museum has about 300 firearms, ranging from very unique and valuable pieces to rusted wrecks. Even the rusted wrecks are sometimes interesting, such as a Remington 1861 (some say 1858) percussion revolver that was picked up that the Bates Battlefield (1874) site in 1908.

The Museum accepts donations of artifacts from a variety of sources. Items do not necessarily have historic significance. My recollection is this revolver was given by a local law enforcement agency after it was confiscated from a convicted felon.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-06-2018, 05:52 PM
Hondo44 Hondo44 is offline
SWCA Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: California
Posts: 13,164
Likes: 4,114
Liked 9,695 Times in 4,346 Posts
Default

I'm late to the party but not surprised at the solution.

This problem is not uncommon. I've had several rear locking bolts seized up due to dried gunk and/or antiquated dried lubricant.

The bolt itself is square behind the round tip and slides in a channel over 1" long, enclosed on 3 sides. There's no other part on the revolver more easily subject to seizing under those mechanical circumstances!

I guarantee one thing, if no penetrant/oil is applied (and even if it is sometimes), in two months you'll find it seized again.

The thumb piece should be removed and the product applied to the bolt slide generously thru the opening. Once freed up, reinstall the thumb piece and work vigorously back and forth.

Then I would remove grips and flush action with a spray CLP (cleaner/lubricant/preservative) until all the black gunk drains out. And I prefer an odorless product which might be appreciated by the museum.
I use M-Pro7, one of the best and completely odorless.

Wipe off the outside completely leaving an unseeable film in the pores of the metal on the exterior.
__________________
Jim
S&WCA #819

Last edited by Hondo44; 10-06-2018 at 06:06 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #17  
Old 10-17-2018, 06:46 PM
CALREB's Avatar
CALREB CALREB is offline
Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: RE-tired in Texas
Posts: 643
Likes: 51
Liked 290 Times in 130 Posts
Default

Had this all the time with guys that loaded guns with rev lockworks/Semi auto firing pins with breakfree and then put them away for years.That stuff would dry out and form a lacquer hard as a rock, but it dissolved easily with Hoppes if you could get some to the area.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-17-2018, 08:28 PM
Hondo44 Hondo44 is offline
SWCA Member
Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22 Cylinder release stuck on K22  
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: California
Posts: 13,164
Likes: 4,114
Liked 9,695 Times in 4,346 Posts
Default

CALREB,

I believe you mean WD-40. Doesn't happen with Breakfree.

Some gunsmiths charge extra to clean a gun with dried WD-40 in the action. And it deactivates primers of cartridges in the gun when sprayed.
__________________
Jim
S&WCA #819
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Stuck cylinder release 3S16 S&W-Smithing 4 10-05-2016 09:38 AM
Pre 27 cylinder release stuck to the right M1A S&W-Smithing 14 05-23-2016 12:25 PM
Shield slide release button stuck MikeyMike Smith & Wesson M&P Pistols 8 01-31-2015 12:14 PM
Stuck Magazine Release kaveman Smith & Wesson Semi-Auto Pistols 2 01-25-2015 10:32 AM
Cylinder release question, sticking cylinder OldBlood S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 3 03-01-2012 10:41 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:11 AM.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.42 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
S-W Forum, LLC 2000-2018
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)