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I've been working on my guns for around 35 years, and always kept my S&W's lubed with oil/break free. I have read several articles that profess, "If it slides grease it, if it rotates oil it". Having some extra time on my hands lately, I disassembled a few S&W's and did that, put grease on the rebound spring slide, and the hammer block channel in the side plate. I was amazed how much smoother the action felt.
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Caution, opinion follows:

Based on thirty-five years of armorer experience, I wouldn't do this on guns that are used for carry, or ones that may be subjected to extreme cold. The viscosity of some greases makes them very thick when cold, and this can interfere with the proper function of the internals. (AKA: the gun doesn't fire)

For guns used exclusively at the range, this "extra" (heavier viscosity) lubricant or grease may not be an issue. However, for carry guns, it's better to err on the side of too little lubricant, than too much. Also, for carry or duty, be sure to use light oils, preferably synthetics. And, if you serve in a very cold environment, no oil or lubricants at all.

Liquid Wrench Dry Lubricant spray and Super Lube Dri-Film Lubricant spray are good alternatives to traditional mineral oil based oils and greases when internal lubricant is needed for firearms in service in cold or extreme cold conditions.
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The old "If it slides grease it, if it rotates oil it" doesn't always hold true.

One example is that M1 and M14/M1A shooters found out that if they grease the trigger pins they don't break like oiled pins often do.

I've used Synco Super Lube Teflon oil and grease on customer and my own revolvers and autos for many years.
The oil is a thick oil/thin grease consistency, and the grease is a thick grease, both clear-white in color.
Both stay right where you put them, don't run off, wick off, sling off, dry out, or evaporate.

I've opened up customer guns as much as 10 years after servicing and found the Super Lube still in place and still working.

These are good from -65 to +450 and I've never heard any complaints about freezing up.
True, it doesn't get that cold around here, but if you're going to the Arctic or northern most USA in a hard winter you'd probably want a specific cold weather lubricant.
For every pistol used in very cold conditions there are probably a dozen used in very hot conditions.
If you're in Texas or New Orleans in the summer you need a lube that won't thin out and run off.
I've seen brown or tan holsters that carried guns lubed with light oils that have the bottom stained dark by the oil that ran out and was absorbed by the leather.

I used Super Lube grease on S&W rebound slides and other key contact points with excellent results.
The action is smoother and therefore seems lighter.

So, if you're going to be carrying a pistol in bitter cold conditions you probably should look into a cold weather lube, but if you're the average gun carrier in areas with milder or hot conditions grease can really work well.
At least grease stays put and doesn't disappear. People open up a pistol lubed with a liquid lube and are surprised to find there's no lubricant left, it all dried out or ran off.

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Hmmmmmm... Is there a single manufacturer out there that uses grease inside its revolvers? Ah, but what do they know?
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I finally got lazy. Last few I was inside of I kinda cheated.
I pulled the side plate, sprayed inside with carb cleaner to
blow the crud out. After it dried I sprayed it with Hornady
One Shot. Works real well in cold weather.
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Show me a revolver manual that says use grease?
Yea old grease it mantra is BS
Grease hold dirt and debris


A few drops of oil (any kind) is all that is needed.


Kinda like the AR15 guys (she likes to run wet) BS. Maybe in full auto shooting thousands of round but not for everyday shooting. There are three bearing surfaces on the bolt. Then they want to "grease er up"
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Yea old grease it mantra is BS
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A few drops of oil (any kind) is all that is needed.


Kinda like the AR15 guys (she likes to run wet) BS. Maybe in full auto shooting thousands of round but not for everyday shooting. There are three bearing surfaces on the bolt. Then they want to "grease er up"
I use bacon grease on all of my guns..
Has multiple affects. Like Blue Emu: "And you won't stink"!
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Only place I oil my smith revolvers is the yoke barrel with one or two drops of Rem oil. Spread evenly then wipe off the excess.

Less oil less dirt more reliable function.
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I've been working on my guns for around 35 years, and always kept my S&W's lubed with oil/break free. I have read several articles that profess, "If it slides grease it, if it rotates oil it". Having some extra time on my hands lately, I disassembled a few S&W's and did that, put grease on the rebound spring slide, and the hammer block channel in the side plate. I was amazed how much smoother the action felt.
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Grease should NEVER be used inside a revolvers lock-works! It will thicken in the cold weather and over time. It will attract dust, unburnt powder, debris, etc. and actually become an abrasive. While it may exhibit short term benefits, in the long term I believe it to be a bad idea.

IMO Grease really should not be used on handguns but in the hot weather when shooting a lot it might benefit lubrication and wear on Semi Auto's that will be shot, taken apart, fully cleaned and then re-lubricated. This way the grease is not on there for any period of time and is only minimally compromised.

Revolvers which are normally not fully disassembled every time they are shot are a whole different ball of wax. Again this is only my opinion and YMMV as always.
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Brought my old model 19 to the bench for it's annual 12,000 mile check up and grease job. Piece of cake......


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Well, maybe what you are all saying is why I have ignored the "grease it" recommendations for the past 35 years. And Warren, I was going inside the revolver because I'm stuck inside the house for the next 14 days and looking for something to do to keep from going bonkers. Thought could just touch up the trigger a little (which I did) and give it a good cleaning. Thought if I did maybe 1 a day I could have something to do for the next few months. I'll probably clean the grease out.
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If you squirt some in the barrel, do the bullets go faster?
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That's what I've heard. I'm into Lithium (12-Hydroxy Stearate) Grease Oyl right now though.......it's a multi-purpose type grease oyl with a "buttery" texture and dropping point above 350°F. It smells like bacon grease. I add my own tungsten dioxide to this stuff, which makes it really slick. I'm sure it has a higher lubricty than plain old moly. It makes for a great gun oyl.

If you pack enough under the sideplate, it can't possibly leak out, even if you heat the frame up with a torch.

I make my own mainsprings out of old Chevy truck leaf springs....and use a 25 pound rebound spring. BTW, that 3 inch long rebound spring is a bear to get inside that rebound block. Sadly, I'm getting "light strikes", but I can't figure out what is amiss. Perhaps I need a longer firing pin?
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Years ago I bought a used SW revolver, (don't recall what model) It was in excellent condition. I took the side plate off and it was literally stuffed with grease! Had to take most of it out physically then "hosed" it out with solvent. What a mess!
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Ahhhh yes.....we had a member of our department who worked as a detective that thought lithium grease....that "black as pitch" stuff....was great for firearms. If a little bit is good, he thought, a lot must be better.

The entire inside the the frame and all the internals were covered with the stuff. Took me a couple of hours work and a half roll of shop towels to get it all out.
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I use Military LSA oil on everything except the hinge pins of shotguns which get STOS Ponsness-Warren grease. I figure the military tested LSA enough and was satisfied with the results
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I have a S&W model 17 no dash in flawless condition. Got it in 2005 after a trade with a friend over some fine cutlery.It was his granpa gun. That year I took off the sideplate I think for the first time since it left the factory in 1958. There was grease inside , kind of dry , black grease if I recall well.

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Please! Everyone knows you don't squirt it in the barrel. You're supposed to hook it up to your pneumatic grease gun and pump it up until the bearing grease oozes out the muzzle. I wish you guys would learn how to properly lube a gun!
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Where I live temps range between 15 to 115. Been using Rem Oil, Hoppes, FP-10, Tetra or Mobil 1 synthetic for years - whatever I have on hand. Anything available today is probably better than what was used 50 to 100 years ago, as long as it’s applied per manufacture instructions. I see no need to change my approach. In Alaska our agency used Tetra. Stuff smells awful but never had a Glock or Sig freeze up at temps of -20. Got colder, just never shot at those temps.
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Just a couple drops in with the hammer pulled back. Work the action a couple times. It finds its place where it needs to be.
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That's been my approach, but since my revolvers are Centennials with no exposed hammers I apply it to the sides of the trigger where it goes into the frame.
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Mobil 1 synthetic. Lubricates in all temperatures.
Many Racing Engines depend upon it and I don't think you're going to get your cylinder to spin as fast as they do.
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I found Grant Cunningham's article useful and have been following his advice for ten years or so. I haven't had any problems with my personal revolvers. I like moly grease in certain applications, too.

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Hi Doc1500 which Mobil 1 do you use 10W-40 or ?
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I recently opened up a Brazilian contract revolver that some well-meaning gun mechanic had lubed with some sort of grease that had since hardened. Years ago I worked in my uncles automotive glass shop and saw first hand what happens to white lithium grease used on window regulators. It all gets squished away from the moving parts where it then hardens.
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I've used Break Free exclusively for the last 40 or so years and never had any lube related issues. I take off the side plates once per year to thoroughly clean & lube. The one that get shot a lot might get it done twice per year due to dusty dirty conditions on southern AZ.
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Break Free and other same type all in one products work fine if you clean them and relube on a regular or semi regular basis.
However if you spray that stuff into areas that you don't/can't clean out at least every few months it will lose its moisture and turn to a goo or even a hard lacquer. One place was the firing pin channel on Beretta 92 models,and smith and wesson semi-autos, its not a place that normally officers could get into. I know they shouldnt spray that into or around there but it happens. also in the disassembly lever area. The biggest issue was officers with several weapons and they would leave one sitting in the safe for months and then go to use it and couldn't get it apart or it failed to fire because of a gunked up firing pin. Just my experience.
I have for the last 20 + years used Miltech with good results especially on stainless guns. I warm up the metal under a light for a while and then apply .Maybe add a small amount after on the lugs rails or contact points. It seems to stay on the gun and have always been able to fire 2- 150 round matches back to back without relubing. If I want to thin it out a bit I add a few drops of Hoppes to the 2oz needle dropper. I know the military had issues with this Just my experience.
The only issue Ive had that I didn't like is if you store it where light hits it it turns dark after a year or 2. I took to buying the small bottles when there is a special no problems then. Just my experience.
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Hi Doc1500 which Mobil 1 do you use 10W-40 or ?
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5-30 regular synthetic
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