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Probably a "flat" or a rather dramatic wear spot. a.k.a. burr, on the top of the cylinder stop ball. A little polishing with some crocus cloth would make it less "invasive" to the exterior finish of the cylinder.

For our edification, can you do another excellent photo.....this time of the top of the cylinder stop?
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I'm no gunsmith, but could there be significant side-play or end-play in the cylinder when it is rotated? I'm assuming you are asking about the irregularity in the turn line. Either that or the locking pin moves around.

Is that hole in the hammer spur a factory characteristic of that model?
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I'm no gunsmith, but could there be significant side-play or end-play in the cylinder when it is rotated? I'm assuming you are asking about the irregularity in the turn line. Either that or the locking pin moves around.

Is that hole in the hammer spur a factory characteristic of that model?
King “cockeyed” hammer.
Not factory.


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Probably a "flat" or a rather dramatic wear spot. a.k.a. burr, on the top of the cylinder stop ball. A little polishing with some crocus cloth would make it less "invasive" to the exterior finish of the cylinder.

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Pretty significant "flat" there due to wear and tear. No big deal, but it does create a larger drag mark.

Does the stop still hold ok? Looks like it's not coming up very high.
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The locking shoe or cam is too high it drags on the cylinder. To me it’s ok I’d rather have it ready to lockup ahead of time than have it come up short.
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While a turn line is perfectly normal, this one is too jagged or irregular IMO. Also looks like its been played with at some point! If it were my gun, I'd replace it asap. A turn line should be a regular thin straight line - not one like on your gun.

You can't undo what's already there however you can definitely prevent it from getting worse by replacing it.

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Pretty significant "flat" there due to wear and tear. No big deal, but it does create a larger drag mark.

Does the stop still hold ok? Looks like it's not coming up very high.
It holds fine. I think I’m just going to get the stop replaced. It does need fitting so I may have to send it out?

What are the chances someone can just refinish the cylinder to match an otherwise almost flawless gun?
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I don't think a re-blue would match very well, and would probably look worse when all was said and done than the current line does.

Perhaps a very careful application of cold blue placing it only on the areas of damage? You could degrease the line area and apply the solution to the scratched line only using the end of a wooden toothpick dampened with the bluing. This would prevent the solution from running out to other areas, and would only darken the scratches themselves. Just a thought. Probably should wait until after the new cylinder stop is installed, if you decide to do that.
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I don't think a re-blue would match very well, and would probably look worse when all was said and done than the current line does.

Perhaps a very careful application of cold blue placing it only on the areas of damage? You could degrease the line area and apply the solution to the scratched line only using the end of a wooden toothpick dampened with the bluing. This would prevent the solution from running out to other areas, and would only darken the scratches themselves. Just a thought. Probably should wait until after the new cylinder stop is installed, if you decide to do that.
Thank you for your help. I intend to get a stop fitted first.
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That is an old style cylinder stop, not like the new ones and harder to find. Smith stopped installing those in the late 50s, so you will have to find one from one of the suppliers of old parts.
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