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Old 01-13-2022, 11:36 PM
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I recently acquired a S&W Victory revolver and discovered that the pin that holds the star extractor in alignment is missing. I looked at Gun Parts, but I don't know the correct name for the pin that is located in the cylinder face to hold the extractor in place. Any ideas?
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The part is called extractor pin but Gun Parts shows out of stock. If you can find another revolver of the same vintage, measure the diameter of the pin and make a replacement from a small drill bit shank. Cut to length and use red LocTite to keep it in place. I can measure the diameter on my S&W revolvers tomorrow but there is no guarantee they will match yours.
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Old 01-14-2022, 12:10 AM
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Kp321, I would appreciate that. The Kunhausen book shows the part, but has different numbers for it depending on the revolver model, and does not show the Victory model.
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The pins are typically .055" diameter and .210" long.

A #54 drill bit is .055" diameter.

Take the cylinder with you to a real hardware store and test fit the drill bit shank to verify what size fits best.
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I recently acquired a S&W Victory revolver and discovered that the pin that holds the star extractor in alignment is missing. I looked at Gun Parts, but I don't know the correct name for the pin that is located in the cylinder face to hold the extractor in place. Any ideas?
From your description, and contrary to the first two responses, what you are asking about the center pin,

the end of which protrudes from the extractor and engages the hole in the center of the breech face. It will be the same as a center pin from a Military & Police from the same period. Numrich, aka Gun Parts Company should be a good source as they include a description of the specific model the part fits. Failing Numrich I would try Jack First in Rapid City, SD, (605) 343-9544 They have no on-line catalog and you will need to call them. The woman who will answer knowledgeable. All you will probably need to tell her is you need Victory Model center pin.

I have no idea where the others came up with the answers they did! They have the small pin used to secure the front sight blades on some models, and the locking bolt, which is located in the lug under the barrel and engages the front of the extractor rod!


AND kp 321, there is no such part in an M&P as an extractor pin!
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From your description, and contrary to the first two responses, what you are asking about the center pin,

the end of which protrudes from the extractor and engages the hole in the center of the breech face. It will be the same as a center pin from a Military & Police from the same period. Numrich, aka Gun Parts Company should be a good source as they include a description of the specific model the part fits. Failing Numrich I would try Jack First in Rapid City, SD, (605) 343-9544 They have no on-line catalog and you will need to call them. The woman who will answer knowledgeable. All you will probably need to tell her is you need Victory Model center pin.

I have no idea where the others came up with the answers they did! They have the small pin used to secure the front sight blades on some models, and the locking bolt, which is located in the lug under the barrel and engages the front of the extractor rod!
From the words "located in the cylinder face" and "holds the extractor in alignment" I also took it to be the alignment pin in the face of the cylinder under the star.

So which is it Igiveup? The pin through the very center of the extractor & cylinder (a couple of inches long and just under 1/8" diameter) or the little tiny pin (less than 1/6" diameter) that protrudes from the face of the cylinder less than 1/8" and matches up with a tiny off-center hole in the extractor star?
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Sorry Alk8944 but I believe you are the one who is mistaken. Why? The OP referred to it as the pin that holds the extractor in place, not pins plural, not the center pin. I have a Victory model and mine has only one pin that serves to locate the extractor rather than the two normally seen in commercial models. And if the entire center pin was missing how would the gun even function?
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Alk8944, Numrich does not have a detailed breakdown of the M&P model but the generic K frame breakdown calls the part in question an extractor pin.
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alwslate and Gunhacker are correct. It is the small pin that holds the star extractor in alignment, hence the "extractor alignment pin". The Victory, unlike newer revolvers, has only one pin. That is missing on my revolver, which has been "rode hard and put away wet" as my dad would say.
Thank you for the info and I will go the drill route and I might even have the correct size here. I really appreciate the answers.
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Technically, the extractor alignment pin is not "necessary" for proper function. The gun can be fired safely with, or without, this particular pin.
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alwslate and Gunhacker are correct. It is the small pin that holds the star extractor in alignment, hence the "extractor alignment pin". The Victory, unlike newer revolvers, has only one pin. That is missing on my revolver, which has been "rode hard and put away wet" as my dad would say.
Thank you for the info and I will go the drill route and I might even have the correct size here. I really appreciate the answers.
Very good, it would seem the rest of us are not as stupid as some would like to believe.

As armorer951 states, that pin isn't actually required. As others have said it is pretty easy to make one. I just checked the only spare cylinder I have and it doesn't have the pin - if it did I'd just drop one in the mail for you.
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AND kp 321, there is no such part in an M&P as an extractor pin!
I guess S&W didn't get that memo... according to the Standard Catalog of S&W, the pins made their appearance with the M&P Model of 1905 - 2nd Change
(my M&P 1905 - 1st change indeed, does not have them).

A 1959 listing that I have:

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I checked in a couple stores in town today without any luck in finding a #54 drill bit. The wife ordered a couple on Amazon. I would have done that, but I have been ex-communicated from Amazon, a long story in itself. Again, thanks for all the help.
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Dont give up,,, Private message me your address and I will throw a couple in an envelope and get them in the mail. I would think 1 postage stamp should handle the weight,Ha..These would probably be from later model guns but should work I believe.
I have actually seen referees disqualify an older model S/W from the Distinguished match because it was missing a pin, thank goodness S/W stopped using them...
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