I want to build a snubby box. But I don't have a 2-inch Model 10 or 64 Round Butt on hand to use for dimensions. In our Club matches, we shoot a fair amount of P.P.C.-style matches with lots of different modifications. We have the "Target Class" in which revolvers or automatics with barrels longer than 4.2 inches and adjustable sights compete together.

We have the "Service Class" in which revolvers or automatics with barrels of 3.4 inches up to 4.2 inches compete together with or without adjustable sights. We give 5 and 6 inch Model 10's or Heavy Duty's with fixed sights a pass and let them compete in "Service Class".

We have the "Super Snubby Class" in which 2.5 inch Model 19's, 3-inch Model 10's and 64's and 13's and 65's are all lumped into.

And then we have the "Snubby Class". We need a box (wooden, made here, with a lid and a latch) that will just barely fit a 2-inch Model 10 or 64 and allow you to close the lid and latch it. The revolver should be fitted with stock factory magna grips and as I said, it should just barely but definitely fit. Once we have "the box" it becomes easy to "classify" the gamers into SNUBBY or SUPER SNUBBY Class. Since a Model 10 2-inch or a Colt Detective Special holds 6-shots we actually allow them to compete as either Snubby or Super Snubby guns (the Snubby course is based on 5-shots per string). Owner's choice. But we use the box to determine where a pistol fits into the game.

So it's only a "game tool", not any type of standardization apart from the way we do it on our range.

But to build the box, I need the dimensions and I don't have a 2-inch Model 10 or 64 handy. If someone out there who does have one could help me out with the exact dimensions (internal dimensions) necessary, I'd sure appreciate it. I want the box to be a simple rectangle or square, not some thing with angles. I'd need to know length, width, and height -- which I suppose is just K-frame cylinder thickness -- of the inside dimensions to just fit a 2-inch 10 or 64.

I have a 2-ínch Model 12 (with a cracked frame) currently close-by that I suppose I could use in a pinch but I'm not sure how exactly close to a 2-inch Model 10 one of those is and want to be as precise as I can be.

Thanks, if you can help me with this and want to bother.

Cheers!

I don't have a 2" K frame. The Standard Catalog of S&W says the model 12 "is build on the the round or square butt K allow service frame..." It does note that grips from a standard steel K frame will not fit the Airweight because the alloy frame is slightly thinner, by .08" if I'm reading correctly. So I think your Model 12 would be close enough for your purposes? Does the Detective Special have to fit in the box to qualify for "snubby" class? If so, would the dimensions of the DS be your critical measurements?

My DS measures 1 1/4"x6 7/8" x 4 1/4".

Thanks for your quick reply! I think (just my opinion) that the 2-inch Model 10/64's are a tad bit larger than the Colt DS. So a Colt DS box would preclude a Model 10/64 fitting in.

We use the "Snubby Box" to determine the difference between a Snubby and a Super Snubby. A 2-inch Model 10/64 with stock grips should just barely fit the box. A Colt DS should easily fit -- unless it has outlandishly big grips on it, in which case it's no longer a Snubby and becomes a Super Snubby. I know the stock grips can be painful sometimes, but that's the point.

A 2-inch Model 15 won't fit. It's a Super Snubby. I would imagine even a J-frame with sufficiently oppulent grips might not make the cut. Again; sorry. But that's the whole point.

The Snubby and Super Snubby events are still shot on the P.P.C. target (B-18 down here) and are 5 shot string or 6 shot string courses respectively. The ranges are 3 meters, 5 meters, 15 and 25. The close-range stuff if very quick, like 3 seconds for a draw and 5 shots or 3.5 seconds for 6 shots in the Super Snubby event.

Lots of fun and yucks to be had, but as people look for more comfortable stocks to protect their little girly-hands on such quick courses the guns grow in size to the point where you can't call them a snubby anymore.

So we want a snubby box. And I THINK the Colt DS with factory stocks has no problem fitting into a 2-inch Model 10 box but I don't believe the reverse holds true. Thanks all the same!

A 2" 15 and a 2" 10 "should be the same size, with the only difference being the adjustable sights. I've got a few 2" 10's and I'll try and get you the dimensions.
Took some pictures for you:

A 2" 15 won't fit. Too tall. I laid out 1/4" graph paper, and a snug fit would be 7 1/4" X 5". The photo's are difficult to tell as you have to get directly over each edge to see how the line clears. Good luck with your project.

A 2" M&P


A2" 10-5

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I think the round butt on the 2-inch Model 10 and the lack of adjustable sights would make a tight-fitting box for the Model 10 an inaccessable box for a 2-inch Model 15, but I don't have an example of either handy to check that with.

So I'll sure appreciate those measurements if you can get them for me. Thanks!

Cal

As I said above, the 2" Mod 15 WON'T fit. I tried it in this drawing and the entire sight plane is too tall.

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Thanks, Richard! This helps a lot! It's what we want!

Do you think if one went a pure 7 x 5, a 2-inch roundbutt would still fit or is that cutting it too close?

Cheers!

A round butt "might" make the 7", but no way a sq butt will make the length, it needs that 1/4".

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I suppose the answer would be to go with 7 1/8 inches just to eliminate the Square-butt Model 10 from the "snubby" class and move it into the Super-Snubby class with the Model 15 while still allowing the 2-inch round-butt to fit without scraping wood.

Why? You ask. Well, it's obviously arbitrary, but I suppose we just felt that a 2-inch Model 10 with a round-butt magna grip was about as big as we'd consider a "snubby". I have a friend who has a Colt Detective Special (which we definitely consider as a Snubby) who has a set of God-awful stocks on it so big that it just could NOT fit into a box that a 2-inch Model 10 would fit into.

In other words, if he wants to use that Colt Detective as a Snubby in the Snubby match he can change the grips out...and if he can't shoot the gun with the standard stocks because it hurts his girly-hand then he can use the big grips but shoot into the Super-Snubby class with the Model 15's and 19's and such.

It's just an arbitrary thing we're doing here to stop the whining when somone's pet "snubby" suddenly gets outted because of waaaaaaaay oversized grips or it's just too darned big a package or whatever. And we decided that we'd still call a 2-inch round-butt Model 10 a Snubby....but anything bigger would be a Super-Snubby.

These measurements should work. Thanks a bunch!

Cal