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Old 12-08-2016, 03:59 AM
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Last year I bought a Smith & Wesson 929. It's a great gun and I've had lots of fun shooting it and enhancing it. But I've spent the year shooting Steel Challenge Matches with it and just can't seem to get into it.

Since I'm in a wheelchair I had to give up the "Run & Gun" matches like ICORE and USPSA. The ranges here all have rocks on them and I can't move the wheelchair across the stages. I had a caregiver that use to push me around but she's gone.

I'm very competitive by nature. Years ago I was a Master Class shooter with both my revolver and auto. Now I'm lucky to not come in last.

I no longer enjoy reloading and especially de mooning and mooning my bullets for each match.

I'm thinking of getting rid of my 929 and just shoot my .22 Mark III or my 627. I can still buy .22s cheap. Not as cheap as reloading but not too bad.

So, is it time to just sell my 929 and learn to shoot the .22s and enjoy myself again?
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If it is just a matter of not liking that particular style of shooting match, and not being into reloading, then why do it? Sell the gun, and buy something you enjoy shooting. Maybe try another form of competition, like bullseye? The attached link provided by the NSSF will provide you with a list of ranges in AZ that are handicap accessible.

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Man, that's a bummer. I'm a younger guy, and occasionally I worry about my shoulder or my eyes starting to go at some point. But always as a "maybe I won't win no more, will it still be fun?" thing. I gotta say, I'm a bit cavalier and crass, but I feel for you.

On the brighter side...

Action Shooting International

ASI's starting to gain some traction. It's designed to be an accessible, less-competitive version of standard action shooting sports.

I'm thinking about sending away for their match operations guide and getting it rolling at my club (because I'm not busy enough as it is). We have a lot of old-timers, old CAS guys and such, that just don't enjoy Competitive Covering Fire, but would probably like to do something more active than precision target work.
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Life is too short to not have an enjoyable time. I sort of know how you feel, I'm not in a wheelchair, but after 5 back surgeries, and a really bad left knee, at age 75 I no longer attempt to participate in USPSA or any type action shooting. I can't get down in prone any longer to shoot rifle matches, (and get back up). But I do still participate in Bullseye matches and do more trap and skeet. I enjoy reloading working up loads for accuracy and chronograph them. But I spend more time now collecting S&W revolvers. I can't afford to buy the high end ones, but there are still lots of S&W's I can buy, and I love the 32's.
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Too bad you aren't close enough to come to my IDPA matches, which are "old cripples and wheelchair bound" friendly.
I share your opinion of steel challenge, which I find repetitious and boring after awhile, even though it is good practice for transitions, and a good place to start someone with no competition experience or skills. I've given up the USPSA sanctioned matches, but still shoot local matches, and walk through the footrace part.
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AzShooter - A few years back I lost a leg among other things. Before that I shot bowling pins, steel and NRA hunter pistol.
I no longer shoot competitively and I gave up on reloading. Even sold my "steel gun".
My advice to you is really take time to think about giving up on anything you enjoy. Because I wish I had that gun back. It is not about the money but the memories. I was average at best in competition. You don't need to win to have fun.
Even if you shoot paper or knock down plastic bottles, you have fun.
Could go on but you should get my point.
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Maybe there is an indoor range with access ramps and smooth floors that would be more conducive to your activities requirements. My indoor range has a group of Vietnam vets, including some in wheelchairs, that are very active there.

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i'm the same age bracket now and am pretty much in the same state of mind as the OP. Reloading has become a chore rather than the fun it use to be. I no longer shoot my 52, 27 or 29. I haven't sold them yet but the day is coming soon. The only pistol I enjoy shooting is my vintage HS Victor, So I say yes, sell the 929 when your ready a shoot your 22lr.
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I shoot competitively and have 22/45 Lites and S&W 15-22s for Rimfire / Steel Challenge along with three 627s, a 617 etc.

I don't see much difference loading mags vs loading moonclips. I have enough moonclips that I don't have to un-clip / clip rds at a match. Can't say that about my rimfires that I do have to load mags for between stages.

I have 11 speedloaders for my 617 and a bunch of loading blocks so I can go to matches with pre-loaded loading blocks which makes that easier. A pouch to dump the mix of empty and live rds in from my 617 to be sorted later also helps.

Bottom line is, DO WHAT'S FUN. I bought my 22/45 Lites and 15-22s for Ruger (now NSSF) Rimfire Challenge 3+ yrs ago (many that I shoot with had never seen me shoot a semi-auto) and it has been a lot of fun along with shooting a Steel Challenge Match occasionally but there are less of them within driving distance for me. Bowling Pins (I have a dedicated heavy barreled C-mored 627 for bowling pins) are great but it's hard to find matches.
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I know i'll get flamed for this but personally i could never
get into competitive shooting.
That would take all the fun right out of the sport for me.
Kinda like competitive fishing. WTH ???


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Sorry to hear all that.
You need to do the shooting and other activities that you enjoy.
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Last year I bought a Smith & Wesson 929. It's a great gun and I've had lots of fun shooting it and enhancing it. But I've spent the year shooting Steel Challenge Matches with it and just can't seem to get into it.



Since I'm in a wheelchair I had to give up the "Run & Gun" matches like ICORE and USPSA. The ranges here all have rocks on them and I can't move the wheelchair across the stages. I had a caregiver that use to push me around but she's gone.



I'm very competitive by nature. Years ago I was a Master Class shooter with both my revolver and auto. Now I'm lucky to not come in last.



I no longer enjoy reloading and especially de mooning and mooning my bullets for each match.



I'm thinking of getting rid of my 929 and just shoot my .22 Mark III or my 627. I can still buy .22s cheap. Not as cheap as reloading but not too bad.



So, is it time to just sell my 929 and learn to shoot the .22s and enjoy myself again?


If you are not enjoying it then it may be time to move on and find something you do enjoy.

I would not sell the 929 for at least a little while. because once you move to something else you might find the desire to go back and that you really just needed a break.

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If it is just a matter of not liking that particular style of shooting match, and not being into reloading, then why do it? Sell the gun, and buy something you enjoy shooting. Maybe try another form of competition, like bullseye? The attached link provided by the NSSF will provide you with a list of ranges in AZ that are handicap accessible.

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I may be stating what most in wheelchairs know, but I caution with trusting that an organizations "handicap accessible" means wheelchair friendly. Many organizations us the ADA guidelines and don't really look at whether a wheelchair can use, let alone maneuver and enjoy. You need to talk to someone and really specify to find out what they have and how "accessible" it really is. To many businesses a rocky dirt path is accessible as long as it is wide enough and doesn't use stairs.
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I know how it feels to go from being a competitive shooter to being not competitive in just a few years. In my case, it is due to breathing issues as well as my hands no longer being steady. I get breathless even when shooting steel challenge.
My adaptation is to move to shooting sports that allow me some physical support, such as highpower handgun silhouette, benchrest, and 600/1000 yard prone highpower rifle. I can do reasonably well in those venues and so I have alot more fun.
I still reload and enjoy it. Maybe a specially built reloading table to allow for your wheelchair would help?

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All very good comments so far. Thank you all for your words of wisdom.

Merry Christmas to all.
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IMO
Keep the 929, put it back in the safe
Shoot the .22
because It's always a good day to shoot .22
Keep the emphasis on having fun and telling lies
We have people show up at our events just to tell lies and hang out.
I have finished first, last and every place in between,
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Last year I bought a Smith & Wesson 929. It's a great gun and I've had lots of fun shooting it and enhancing it. But I've spent the year shooting Steel Challenge Matches with it and just can't seem to get into it.

Since I'm in a wheelchair I had to give up the "Run & Gun" matches like ICORE and USPSA. The ranges here all have rocks on them and I can't move the wheelchair across the stages. I had a caregiver that use to push me around but she's gone.

I'm very competitive by nature. Years ago I was a Master Class shooter with both my revolver and auto. Now I'm lucky to not come in last.

I no longer enjoy reloading and especially de mooning and mooning my bullets for each match.

I'm thinking of getting rid of my 929 and just shoot my .22 Mark III or my 627. I can still buy .22s cheap. Not as cheap as reloading but not too bad.

So, is it time to just sell my 929 and learn to shoot the .22s and enjoy myself again?
I know what you mean about Steel Challenge being boring. I have 2 artificial hips, an artificial shoulder, cardiac disease, and am in the middle of colon cancer treatment. I still shoot USPSA matches (Open Division). I'm slow between shooting positions, but I'm not the slowest and I normally finish about the middle of the field. I'm competitive by nature (I was a professional race driver for many years) but I realize that I can't do that anymore so I've adjusted my expectations. I've had to shoot from a wheelchair a number of times during the hip replacement period. Not easy but it can be done. Every time I think about quitting I think about this guy. Makes me feel ashamed for feeling I can't do it. LATEST UPDATES TREVOR2 But you have to decide for yourself. Maybe you could find some action pistol matches at indoor ranges. I shoot one of those every Tuesday night and the concrete floor is more wheelchair friendly than pea gravel. In then end though, you are the one who had to make the decision, I wish you well in whatever direction you go. (I'm also following the thread on Enos).
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Azshooter, Are you familiar with Ben Avery shooting range, which is close to you? It is a great facility with alot of activities, events, and facilities. Check it out online here: Arizona Game & Fish Department - Shooting

I notice that the S&W 929 is a 9mm, which I guess means moon clips only. If the moon clips are the issue driving you to sell; I'd say go ahead and replace the gun with an 8 shot model 627 (4" or 5") which does not require moon clips. You mentioned that you have a 627, so maybe you are already set.

I have an earlier Model 625 which can be shot without moon clips, since the rounds headspace correctly without a moon clip. The only issue is that the empty cases must be picked out by hand since the ejector star won't pick them up. Is this also the case with your 929?

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[QUOTE=andyo5;139363561]Azshooter, Are you familiar with Ben Avery shooting range, which is close to you? It is a great facility with alot of activities, events, and facilities. Check it out online here: Arizona Game & Fish Department - Shooting

Ben Avery is my favorite range. I shoot the almost every Friday. That's also where I shoot the Steel Challenge Match on the 3rd Sunday every month.

IF I go to another .38 I think I'll get a 686. Always liked the and they are very accurate. I still have speedloaders for them.
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@AZshooter,

I can appreciate where you are coming from. I shot competitive smallbore rifle from '69 to about '84 when I fractured my back, I just couldn't stay in prone that long anymore. I started shooting high power in '88, shooting first match rifle, then service rifle, until I became disabled in an MVA in '07. That was 2 weeks before I was supposed to shoot a regional match at Quantico. My drive to get back behind the trigger is what helped to get me to walk, something the trauma team didn't expect.

Fast forward to '11, I was physically able to get back on the range, where after a year and a half, I finally accepted the fact that I couldn't shoot position matches any more. I then built up an F class rifle, and that was my initial saving grace. I still have my 4 service rifles, hoping for the day that either I can shoot them, or my children start shooting service rifle.

I now shoot F class out to 1000 yards, and I have a ball. While I have always loved competition, I have always accepted the mind set that I am shooting against myself, seeking to beat my last score. Before my accident, I held a Master classification, now I am lucky to shoot a Sharpshooter score. It is a little disappointing, but I am still able to get out and shoot.

Because of a bum arm (on top of 2 bum legs), I am easing back into pistol shooting. I don't expect to shoot heavy magnums, but I can still hit my target.

What I have found, is that my home rifle club has been very accommodating to my disabilities, and at Camp Perry, the line officials and match directors have been very helpful in allowing a disabled shooter stay in the game.

My advice to you would be to keep your equipment, unless you really have the desire to change models. Don't give up in frustration. Sell only because you want to, not because you feel that you can't play the game anymore. Talk to the match director and the line officials, and share what is a barrier to your shooting. You may just find that they may rake the rocks out of the way. One of the things that I have discovered, is that the unchallenged never look at a situation like a physically challenged person does, so they don't see the challenges and obstacles that we do. Keep in mind, and remind the match officials, that shooting is one of the few sports where both the challenged and unchallenged can compete on an equal playing field.
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Az, I would personally advise holding off on any big decisions. Most of my experience in competition is smallbore rifle. I no longer do that and will probably never do it again. But when I got my son involved in small bore I met a bunch of guys that shot bullseye pistol and so I thought why not try it. This was about 15 years ago.

So I purchased a S&W M41 7" rimfire pistol. This gun was about $1000.00 plus add-ons. I shot some practice bullseye and after about 6 months stopped. About a year later sold the gun.

Now I shoot steel with a 929 same as you. Sometimes I think I would like to try steel in rimfire and would if I had not sold that M41. True we have several Ruger MK3s but nothing like a M41. So I say try steel with rimfire but don't rush to make large wholesale changes. Competition is not just about winning it's about shooting with other people and being social. If it were about winning I would simply quit because I personally suck.
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I don't think you need to quit , maybe just change the game.
We have an indoor range in town that in the 1980's had a shooting league . Instead of bowling they had NRA Bullseye matches. We shot slow , timed and rapid fire with 22lr , 38 special and 45 acp . 20 rounds each leg. We went by the NRA League Handbook Rules , awards and trophies were the prizes so it was fun. Reloading was not an issue , access to the lines were not an issue as was weather. We shot on Thursday nights , I would practice on Tuesday.
It's not run and gun action shooting but it takes great skill to make 10's and X's . To this day tiny groups impress me. I don't understand the guys at the range that just pull the trigger as fast as they can to hit a man sized target.
Check around at some local indoor ranges. Another local range has falling steel plates that they use in timed competitions, but I have no experience with that game.
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A bit of a drive for you but if you want to try shooting bullseye pistol,I shoot at prescott sportsman club in chino valley. They currently shoot informal bullseye pistol once a month and start a formal summer league in April. Go ahead and check the website for schedule. You do not need to be a member to shoot, and both the firing line and rest rooms are handicap accessible. We have one wheel chair shooter already and would be happy to have you
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I find it hard to believe there isn't a organization out there that doesn't help with this exact issue. Seems we as non restricted participants we should offer to help a disabled person do what they love to do. Maybe we need to look into this and come up with a solution. I'm getting older at 57 with health issues and I love the shooting sports so at this time I'm looking into some competitive shooting activities and I'm having a issue of finding a place that I don't have to drive across the state to shoot yes more work needs to go into this so let's see what I can come up with...
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Dont give up anything. Just because you feel you cant do it today does not mean you will not wish to try tomorrow.
After becoming parylized from the neck down, I never considered giving up. I still cannot shoot IDPA or anything fast but after 4 years I still feel in some way I can in the future. I wouldnt bet on it but more importantly, I refuse to bet against it.
I have had to learn to shoot a rifle off the bench from my weak side.
Had I not considered that as a goal when amputation of both of my arms was being considered I would have had no chance to even get on a shooting range. I can shoot revolvers again for marksmanship but not speed but I will not stop trying.
Hang in there and do not give up anything.
Good Luck
Jim

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I've shot in ISPC and CAS matches with physically handicapped shooters. One needed two canes to walk, another (Viet Nam vet) was missing a leg and used aluminum crutches.

He was able to navigate very tough courses of fire, even going over a 6' wall! He threw his crutches over, pulled up and over, stood against the wall to shoot, picked up his crutches and carried on.

We offered assistance and he refused saying - "No one made any allowances for me over there and no one will here either."

His performance was heroic and he shamed many others who thought our COF too difficult.
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When doing your match feels like a chore, it probably time to try something different. I know reloading isn't as glamorous for me as it used to be, now it feels like a major chore that I keep putting off.
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I turn 73 soon, and am a Class D USPSA shooter. I still enjoy associating with the guys, and I believe keeping active keeps me sharp. My scores are nothing to brag about, but like I said, I enjoy participating, and believe that competition shooting helps my gun handling skills.

My advice is to find an activity that you enjoy. Our LGC modifies some of our league matches to permit the more senior members to participate. For example, non-sanctioned Bullseye matches may be shot with two hands holding the pistol, and the scores are broken down accordingly. Some members shoot the .22 portion only.

My advice is to keep shooting as long as you are able.

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