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Old 05-01-2017, 12:39 PM
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After bragging up my M19 snubs for IDPA on a gun forum, I was challenged to see how they performed at 25m and 50m.

I put up IPSC "Item" targets (the old one with the "B" zone head) at each distance. Load was 158 RNFPs/3.2 grs Tite Group.

I shot "cold" with no warm up as per a match. At 25m I shot DA off hand, at 50m I went prone and SA cocked.

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- at 25m 5 shots printed in a group 4" x 2-1/2", a flyer 1/4" outside the "A" zone widening it to 5-1/2".

- at 50m 5 shots printed in a group 4-1/2" x 1-3/4", a flyer expanding it to 6-3/4", but all within the "A" zone.

Both groups would have been well within the 8" down "0" circle of the IDPA target. I attribute the vertical stringing to the short sight radius.

There was a guy on the range shooting his S&W .44 and .500 magnoons wearing a PAST glove and shooting at 15m from a rest.
When he saw me posting my targets and the guns I intended to shoot, he said - "You're kidding." "Nope" says, I, "I'm not."

Checking my targets with me, he didn't say a word. His wife said - "Wow!"

Life is good and getting better .....
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:10 PM
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Pictures, or it's all just talk and fantasy.
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Old 05-01-2017, 07:27 PM
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similar story- I was at a range and had finished up and walked out and removed my targets and met a young couple setting up as I walked back to the bench. I like to reload in batches and try to empty all of the cases in a batch, so when I got back to my bench and found I had left a speedloader full, I waited and asked if I could drop a few into the hundred yard targets the young couple was just getting back from setting up. I honestly thought I would be totally missing their target with a 2" 19, but with the help of their spotting scope I put one within 3 inches of bullseye and two more on paper! If you shoot enough, you get off some memorable shots, thats a given.
Think about the bore on a morter in regards to length of barrel, caliber and distance traveled, and you get a ratio even less likely to put rounds on target but with spotters it happens pretty effectively.
Shooting snubbies long range is 90% consistency, 10% equipment, and the rest is luck.
You just never know- but tactically, why give up your position and lose the advantage of surprise for a shot with a low percentage of success on an approaching threat, and if firing on a retreating threat you are going to have a hard time explaining viable threat in all but a very limited set of circumstances, wouldn't you agree? just because you can doesn't mean you should.......
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The last time I tried shooting at 25 yds. with my 640 centennial (15.5 gr. of H-110, 158 gr bullet) at a 9" paper plate, I was getting 80% hits.

Tried 12" steel at 100 yds. Hit rate was 10%. (7 hits for 70 shots) Pretty poor hit rate, but it sure was fun. I giggled like a little girl with every hit.

If the plate had been 18", hit rate would have been about 50%.
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You flatter yourself if you think that I don't have more to do in life and more personal honour than to lie about what I can do with my guns.

I don't regard my results as anything extraordinary and well within the capability of both the guns and myself.

You strike me as the type who would also question pictures, doubting that they had been fired at the stated distance.

Doubting others based on your own lack of ability and sense of honour says something of your own character.




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Old 05-01-2017, 10:41 PM
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You flatter yourself if you think that I don't have more to do in life and more personal honour than to lie about what I can do with my guns.

I don't regard my results as anything extraordinary and well within the capability of both the guns and myself.

You strike me as the type who would also question pictures, doubting that they had been fired at the stated distance.

Doubting others based on your own lack of ability and sense of honour says something of your own character.
Nice shooting. Well within the capabilities of a properly sighted revolver and a shooter who knows how to use it. (But we still enjoy visual aids)
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Old 05-02-2017, 11:10 AM
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Thanks, Buford57

Some people live vicariously through internet forums and "reality TV". I'm not one of them.
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Cariboo- I'm not a competitive shooter and don't really know what IDPA is. However, I'm glad to see your reports on shooting snubnose guns beyond the 5, 10, and 15 yards that many consider maximum distances for these revolvers.

The guns are quite accurate, but particularly difficult for most people to shoot well without considerable practice; even more so with the J-frames, something I continue to struggle with. I'm sure you know all this, but there are many who don't realize the capability of these revolvers at distance.
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I will not attempt to speak for Shark bait as I am sure he is very capable of doing just that!
Usually when someone posts "Pictures, or it's all just talk and fantasy." they are looking for some photos and not trying to be a smart ***! most folks today always have a camera with them in a phone so photos are available,no need to act as if someone is belittling your capability!
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Old 05-02-2017, 12:50 PM
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Well, you did a fine job of speaking for Shark Bait. Yes, I did take his remarks as doubting my veracity. If anyone made a similar claim on this or any other forum I subscribe to, I'd believe him as I presume others to share my sense of honour. I like to think the best of people, especially other gun owners. I'm rarely disappointed.

I don't own a cell/smart phone as we don't have cell service where I live. Hard to believe in this day and age, but that's life in the boonies. My wife does for when we travel, but I don't know how to turn it on, much less use it to post pictures. Our internet service is via satellite as is our TV.

Our closest 'neighbours' are moose, deer, bear, geese, swans, eagles, ospreys and other assorted water fowl. Our closest HUMAN neighbours live off the grid raising goats.

This summer will mark 30 years of unbroken sobriety for me and 7 years of cancer remission. I don't have time for anything in my life but truth and honour. Life is too short and I try to make every day count. This afternoon I'm going back to the range with my other two .357 snubs to see how they fair at 25m and 50m.

Life is good - and getting better!

rockquarry

Up to recently, I had a mint early model M60 I sold to buy my 2nd M19 snub. For years I had a target fired with that little gem, a three shot clover leaf under the size of a dime fired off hand at 15 yds.
All I could see was one hole, so I checked the target. I was so flustered that I knew I'd blow it if I kept shooting, so I quit. I let someone else have the target to make a point and it never came back to me.
IIRC, the load was the same as I shot for practice with my 4" M66 that I used in IPSC practice - 158 SWC/5 grs Unique. That was pretty stiff in the little M60, but it wore the large S&W ''banana" grips so it was manageable.


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I will not attempt to speak for Shark bait as I am sure he is very capable of doing just that!
Usually when someone posts "Pictures, or it's all just talk and fantasy." they are looking for some photos and not trying to be a smart ***! most folks today always have a camera with them in a phone so photos are available,no need to act as if someone is belittling your capability!

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Old 05-03-2017, 03:38 PM
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Before and between stages at our first CAS practice of the year, I set up an IPSC "Item" target at 25 yds to check the "0"s of the other pair of .357 snubs I own.
Both required sight adjustment to the left from their established "0"s done at 15 yds for IDPA.
I was rushed for time, but once sight corrections had been made, both kept 6 rds within the "A" zone of the target, the groups not as tight as those of the other guns, but within an 8" IDPA down "0" circle.

Next time out - 50m.
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