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Old 06-10-2018, 12:44 PM
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Hi guys. When shooting my stock 627 Pro in competition, my reloading is too slow. Bullets (in moonclip) hang up in the chamfered cylinder holes. Have you guys got any advice? Maybe another cylinder with better chamfering, or something I can do when I reload these rounds. I'm shooting 38 Special with 158 g Berry round-nose.

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i shoot a bayou 160 gn round nose, with moon clips, and the reload is very fast. what i have found, after loading about 20 moon clips, i try them in the gun, to make sure there are no problems, and then store them in a tackle box. also, i just use remington brass, do not mix casing. will post picture after.....dan

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Old 06-10-2018, 01:24 PM
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Old 06-10-2018, 02:13 PM
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I think the answer to your problem is to try different head stamps of brass to find the brand that fits your moonclips snugly to minimize wobble. Remington brass often works well here.

It's a trial and error process.
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Old 06-10-2018, 02:51 PM
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Try to find a brass and moonclips combination that minimizes wobble of he cases. If the rounds are all sticking straight down they should drop in with ease. If the rounds are cockeyed and can wobble in the clips you'll have to adjust with each reload.
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Old 06-10-2018, 05:04 PM
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I'm using Starline .38 Short Colt brass, TK Custom moonclips for Starline brass, and 160gr. Bayou round nose bullets. Reloads are very fast. You need to match the moonclips to the brass on rimmed ammo. Not as critical on rimless. Roundnose bullets are a must. If they have any flat on the end, they tend to hang up. Shorter length cases help. Easier in, easier out.

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Old 06-10-2018, 10:56 PM
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I use the 160 Bayous, too.
Tried the 38 Short, but settled on 38 Mid.
Cases trimmed to .900" (same as 38 Super)
Remington cases in .025" moons.
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Hey Toolguy. I'm not familiar with the 38 short colt. What is the case length, where can I pick up a few to try, can they be used in the 357 mag S&W 627 Pro, and would the load be the same as I'm using for the 38 special.

Sorry with so many questions, but neither of my reloading books mention this round.

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The 38 Short Colt is essentially a rimmed 9mm. It is the same case length and internal case capacity. Since it is way shorter than a 38 Special, you have to use less powder to get an equivalent velocity. Starline makes the brass. These will work in any .38 Special or .357 chambered guns. I am running them in two 627 guns.

If we knew your location, maybe there would be someone local who could help. Apparently you are in a forest by the ocean. That covers a few square miles.
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Old 06-16-2018, 06:11 PM
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38 long or short colt, most use short. Starline is the manufacturer of the brass. You may depending on your moons have to use different moons, check with Starline. If you are serious about competing with this gun then get the 38 SC and figure it out. You might have to look around some but load data is available.
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Old 06-16-2018, 07:43 PM
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Another vote for a shorter case coupled with experimentation to find the right brass and clip combination.
You can buy your cases or cut them.

p.s. Midwayusa has starline 38 short brass in 100 and 500 ct for short $ (as do others.)
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I to went the 38 shortcolt way but am using 9mm Berry Bullets and starline brass. Have used this round in IPSC,USPSA and receantly steel challenge, have know issues with accuracy. Shooting a TRR8 #25 moonclips only.
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This may help with regards to case to moonclip reference. I've found too that Starline cases need the .025" clips but still are loose. I'm playing with Federal and R-P right now to find a more snug fit. Also check the ogive/profile of the Bayou vs Berrys too. You may find the Bayou is better for moon clip usage. Also FWIT I talked to Dave at Precision bullets in Texas and he makes me 125g RN coated, although they are not listed. I send him an order and when he makes his 9mm .355" swaged RN buyllet, he runs my .358" 125RN with them. Don't be in a hurry though, he only does it when he runs the 9's. Hope this helps.. FAQ's - TK Custom - Moonclips & Accessories for Competition Shooters & Sportsmen
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Since there is no sammi specs on the grooves on 38/357, there are several thickness of moonclips out there. .020, .o22, .025, and then some made for specific headstamp. Winchester is usually the tightest having to use .022 or .020, most others use .o25. Revolver supply has both sizes, and TK custom does also, but will make specific for Starline brass. You want them held secure with just a little movement or will turn in the clip. If they wiggle a lot you will have issues and will have to change something ,brass or moonclips.
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I've been using 158 gr RNFP coated bullets in 38 special brass. Revolver Supply .025 moonclips with non-Winchester brass.

Reloads with the 38 spl. brass & the RNFP seem to be pretty smooth, so I haven't tried the 38 short or long colt yet.

SWC and / or .357 brass not so smooth.
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I see where a lot of you guys are shooting bayou bullets. I just ordered some. I've never loaded anything that looked like this. Question...how are you guys crimping this bullet. I got the 160 gr. Do you roll or taper, and how deep are you seating the bullet. I'm loading them in 38 special.
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Definitely taper crimp. The amount of taper crimp will depend on your powder charge. Load six and shoot five, take out the sixth and measue the oal to see if the bullet is pulling out. If it is then you'll need a little more crimp pressure until the bullet does not move out. In my Lyman 50th Edition it's calling for 1.550" OAL, that'll be a good starting point. I load 160g LRN in 38 Short only and in my 38Special I shoot 125g lrn. Hope this helps.
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I have to disagree with Cobbler. You taper crimp rimless cartridges because they are most often used in semi-autos that, theoretically, headspace on the case mouth. Rimmed cartridges headspace on the rim. The best remedy for bullet pull, when you don't have to worry about headspace, is a good roll crimp - no bullet pull and more thorough combustion. Also, a roll crimp wont get hung-up on the edge of the charge hole.

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Another vote for using a taper crimp with coated bullets. The roll crimp often times cuts through the coating and has a negative effect on accuracy
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I agree with Pizza Bob, Use a roll crimp. I shoot 15-20000 rounds a year with 95% of them being coated bullets. I use them in 9mm and 38 spcl and 38 short colt. I have and USE LEE 38 short colt roll crimp die on the short colt rounds AND on the 9mm. I use these primarily in my 929, but I also use them in my 1911, and my M&P and my P320-X5. They work great in all of them. It is not a sever roll crimp just enough to keep things in place. And there is NO leading of the barrel because of "cutting" the coating.
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Here is a link to ponder. Reloading Tips - precisionbullets.com It's from Precision Bullets website. The problem with the roll crimp on non-crimp groove, coated/plated bullets is the fact that the crimp will cut through the coating/plating and cause leading, which is one reason to use coated/plated bullets. If there is no coating or the coated/plated bullet has a crimp groove then yes, roll crimp if you like. Hope this helps
BTW- Since there are no official rules, anyone may do as they please.
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I have found the fastest way to get the moon clips in is to get the cylinder as vertical as possible and grip the moon clip only. Even if the bullets are a little loose in the clip they will hang straight down allowing them to slide in with minimal interference.
What works for me is to line up my middle finger withe the space at 1 o'clock between the holes and drop it in.
The more I practice the more consistent I am.

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