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Old 11-25-2020, 11:11 PM
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Here is a GREAT short film on the essential fundamentals of pistol marksmanship. It features Bill McMillan, Marine and competitive pistol shooter extraordinaire. Noted for his Olympic Gold Medal in
Rapid Fire Pistol at the 1960 Rome Games, he also excelled with service pistol at the Nationals.
This was posted by USC (as in, University of South Carolina!)

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His comments on trigger control are a bit contrary to modern training, but he sure got results.

Sorry, he chose High Standard over S&W for his .22, and a Colt Officers Model Match over a S&W K38.
But, at the 5:10" mark you can see the instructor has a S&W K frame rear sight installed on his .45 cal 1911.

Here's a related website:
LtCol William W. McMillan, Jr. USMC (Ret'd)

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Great short film!
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I just forwarded it to a friend, fairly new shooter that is still struggling with larger groups. A little outdated, but basic's are still the same.
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I watched it thru and enjoyed it. Great tips. I am not, however, going to put tape on my grips, sticky side out. I will have to accept the consequences of that omission.

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I like the range boxes they were using at 1:10 in with the spotting scope attached to the lid. Going to have to check around for plans or ideas and put one together for the indoor range.
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I like the range boxes they were using at 1:10 in with the spotting scope attached to the lid. Going to have to check around for plans or ideas and put one together for the indoor range.
Yes sir, handy as a pocket on a sock...

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Watching the black & white numbers count down before the video started was a nostalgic reminder of days of yore!
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Another great shooter at the Rome Olympics was a fellow named John Hurst, 50 meter open pistol. LAPD officer probably better known for his grips. He once told me he was so nervous he got sick before he shot there. I think he ended up 17th. Good film...
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I couldn't help but notice the nod to the gangsta style at about 11:00......Ben
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This film is far from outdated, but it seems few today have an interest in bullseye-style shooting using one hand. It's a welcome respite to see that the shooters aren't shooting at close-up distances where virtually all shooters do well with little practice.

Many don't realize that the discipline, control, and technique used in bullseye shooting will only help them improve their marksmanship when using two hands.

McMillan was often featured in the pages of AMERICAN RIFLEMAN in the '60s.
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rockquarry is 100% correct, Pistol/ revolver shooters that begin with Basic marksmanship on bullseye targets have a better foundation that anyone that just starts blasting away at 5,7,10 or 15 yards. Have seen it for many years at ranges. One has to walk before they run and should be able to shoot bullseye before any combat shooting. Developing a correct grip, stance and small minimum arc of movement is important. Then the correct sight picture and squeezing the trigger with correct part of finger makes for a good shot.
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rockquarry is 100% correct, Pistol/ revolver shooters that begin with Basic marksmanship on bullseye targets have a better foundation that anyone that just starts blasting away at 5,7,10 or 15 yards. Have seen it for many years at ranges. One has to walk before they run and should be able to shoot bullseye before any combat shooting. Developing a correct grip, stance and small minimum arc of movement is important. Then the correct sight picture and squeezing the trigger with correct part of finger makes for a good shot.
Yes. The old saying "practice makes perfect" is perhaps better said as "Practice makes permanent". "Blasting away at 5, 7, 10 or 15 yards" mostly ingrains poor trigger control, incorrect use of sights, misunderstanding about grip and follow-through, and other bad habits.
Once learned they are very difficult to correct.
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I like the range boxes they were using at 1:10 in with the spotting scope attached to the lid. Going to have to check around for plans or ideas and put one together for the indoor range.
That was the style for years. I've owned a couple of the old range boxes, for my uses I prefer pistols in their own gun rugs and a small plastic tote carrys my spotting scope, ammo, and other goodies.
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I like the range boxes they were using at 1:10 in with the spotting scope attached to the lid. Going to have to check around for plans or ideas and put one together for the indoor range.
I sold mine recently... had it for many years, but it just doesn't work as well as the modern iterations for my range use. They do show up from time to time on GB and eBay.


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rockquarry is 100% correct, Pistol/ revolver shooters that begin with Basic marksmanship on bullseye targets have a better foundation that anyone that just starts blasting away at 5,7,10 or 15 yards. Have seen it for many years at ranges. One has to walk before they run and should be able to shoot bullseye before any combat shooting. Developing a correct grip, stance and small minimum arc of movement is important. Then the correct sight picture and squeezing the trigger with correct part of finger makes for a good shot.
As an instructor at our regional Academy, I have been fighting this trend for years. The problem is trying to make recruits into effective gunfighters in ~60hrs of range time... it's just not really possible, but that's the timeframe, and it is what they need to learn. As a result they don't get as a good grounding in the fundamentals as we would like.

I still try to shoot offhand bullseye for at least a few rounds every range session to get back to basics and reaffirm the fundamentals.
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That was a fun film to watch. From the starched pickle suit uniforms with spit shined boots to the range box and shooting without ear protection.

While I never made it to the Olympic teams, I did shoot successfully for the army and the PD at many levels with both the rifle and the pistol as well as serving as an instructor during both of those careers.
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Great video of Captain William W. McMillan, USMC, who won the Gold Medal for target shooting in the 1960 Olympics in Rome. At 13 minutes, it's a little long, but worth watching.

Of particular note is Captain McMillan's 1911, with his hand stippling and what looks like a S&W revolver sight. He also shoots a Colt revolver, and Ruger Mk. I pistol. The trick shooting he does in the last five minutes is very interesting...I'll bet the young Marines he instructed loved it!

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I came upon this great video of Captain William W. McMillan, USMC, who won the Gold Medal for target shooting in the 1960 Olympics in Rome. At 13 minutes, it's a little long, but worth watching.

Of particular note is Captain McMillan's 1911, with his hand stippling and what looks like a S&W revolver sight. He also shoots a Colt revolver, and Ruger Mk. I pistol. The trick shooting he does in the last five minutes is very interesting...I'll bet the young Marines he instructed loved it!

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That finger on the trigger at all times is sure old school dangerous.Sticky tape for a grip and one handed stange. No eye protection..looks like no ear protection. My how times have changed! Cool old flick.
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In initial AMU training Sgt’s demonstrated how accurate 1911s were Regardless how they were held. Remember 1 that even shot a 1911 upside down.
I Never saw or heard reference to an AD on an Army range while AMU guys were there. Safety was most important then marksmanship.
BIG issue for me based on my training is Leaving Magazines in ANY pistol, see it every gun shop. We were taught, remove magazine, lock the slide to the rear , everyone around can see pistol is CLEAR. I understand gun shops may not want to take space up in show cases with magazines but a rubber band around the magazine and lower would work. This would also work for not loosing magazines which would be the reason they leave magazines in pistols.

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That was the style for years. I've owned a couple of the old range boxes, for my uses I prefer pistols in their own gun rugs and a small plastic tote carrys my spotting scope, ammo, and other goodies.
I use a Strong Case pistol box I bought from a gentleman on this forum. It's an well-made, aluminum version of the classic pistol box. It is very convenient to have everything in one box. Particularly, if you need to remove your equipment from the line between relays. It does wind up being heavy with three guns and a full load of ammo!

I guess I'm just an old-school wanna-bee. I've been shooting .45 ACP 1911, a .38 Super 1911 and a Model 41. Sometimes just the .45 and Model 41. Now in my progression backwards, I've secured a Model 25-2; it should be in my hands next week. I'll use that, plus my K-32 and K-17. Rapid fire with revolvers will be a challenge, but I won't have to chase brass!

Let you think I'm a total throw-back, I also shoot ISSA. Bullseye fundamentals fully apply, but somehow everything goes to pot when I try to go fast. Who'd a thunk it?
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McMillan was left eye dominant.
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Reminds me exactly of the first pistol lessons I took from a Army Captain who was also Olympic shooting team captain. Only difference is that it was the Mexican Olympic Shooting Team.

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