Hello the Fire.

I have lurked on this site for years and have never had a question I could not get answered by searching. Have never posted because I figured there were lots smarter folks here than me.

I have a question that I cannot find an answer to, so am throwing it out here in hopes some of you smart folks can help me out.

My son sent a friend of his to me with a Model 1000 Super 12 Waterfowler that he said would not cycle and I told him I would take a look at it. I was hoping it just needed a good cleaning.

I had never seen the insides of one of these before, so when I pulled off the barrel and forearm and started taking out parts so I could clean out the piston parts, I did not know what I should be getting. It was afterward that I pulled up a schematic and manual that I discovered that I had an extra part!

Between the fore end cap and the piston connector ring (that has the pin going thru it) there was a second piston connector ring, obviously with no pin. The two connector rings are identical, except the loose one has thicker walls, so the outside diameter is about .035 greater. There is enough free play in the linkage so the action will go all the way closed with the second ring in place, but the travel stops about .040 short of the end of the free play. This may be the reason the gun fails to cycle. I have not yet gotten to the range to test it.

My first thought was that there are two different weights of connector rings meant for lighter and heavier loads, but can find nothing that references or supports such a guess. I then thought maybe one of the rings was from the non regular, non Super 12, Model 1000, but from the schematic of that model, it appears to be a totally different ring.

I cannot imagine that the gun is meant to operate with both rings in place. The owner bought the gun used, so my guess is that the previous owner had somewhere obtained a second ring, maybe for use with lighter loads and simply "stored" the second ring installed and removed it when using or ???

Any experience or knowledge would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Jackpine

There should be only one ring. The Super12 was designed to function with all types of loads without having to change or add rings or barrels.

Here is a photo of my unfired Super12.

KO

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KO,

Thanks for the pic. It agrees with the schematic that I have. I know that they are "supposed" to operate with all shells, but most of the comments I have found on these shotguns in my search deals with feeding issues. I am assuming that is the reason that there were two weights of rings in this gun.

Hopefully when I am able to get out to the range to test it, I will find that removing the second ring, which I am hoping the previous owner just slid on so it would not get lost, that it will function.

If anyone else out there has any experience with shooting these guns, I would appreciate hearing from you.

Thanks,

Jackpine