Move to Texas!!!!!!

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Yeah I should. When I got this rifle in my hands within 30 mins I had no idea this state would restrict me in this manor. Now I have to pay a monthly or yearly fee to use a private range or pay every time I go to the range for the "privilege" of using my rifle. What a load of ****.

man i fell for ya, thats is pure BS, id hate to live in one of those commy states. Guess you could try selling it, if you cant find any other options.

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I think I will try a private range. This range I was talking about is a state ran range, I can go to a private range and not have to put up with this BS. I found one range about 30 miles from me and thats the one I will try. Hopefully admission isn't expensive.

I don't want to sell this rifle just for some stupid law.

LifeInPA

Hey why not try and find a commercial shooting range. I have an indoor shooting range about 20 min drive from my house. They do not require you to be a member. Cost is $6.00 per half hour and cost of targets.

It has electric targets, meaning you attach your target to the line, hit the button until it's out as far as you want it, shoot, then bring the target back to you.

I have no state shooting ranges within 100 miles of where I live in Iowa. A local shooting club in my area only charges $40 a yr and $3.00 per range visit for rifle and pistol (non clay shooting)

Don't give up...you'll find a place.

JamesJ, where in Iowa? I am in Iowa too, but cannot find an indoor range around Des Moines.

Marc05
I live in Council Bluffs and go to Omaha to shoot. There is the National Law Enforcement and Security Institue in your area. They are listed as a public indoor range on the web? Number is 515.280.6574. Hope this helps?

James, that place closed about 4 years ago, it was only 5 minutes from my house. I can't believe there isn't anywhere else.

Hey, how about just shipping your 15-22 to me. I'll take it to my range and give it a workout. I will even send you a range report. If you like, I can also post it here on the forum. Don't forget to include the ammo that you want tested.



Actually, a private range would not be a bad deal. You will meet some new shooting buddies there, and they will be able to give you tips on shooting.

Yeah I am trying to find a private range in my area but with no luck. I just don't know how to search for one. Tell me, if it says indoor range does that mean you cannot fire a rifle on such a range?

Come on man don't say that, I was so eager to fire this rifle and now with all this **** it's bringing me down. I agree that a private range is the way to go, but finding one and worrying about the fee's is keeping me up.

What the heck?! How would such a ludicrous law/rule come to be?

I know I couldn't believe it until I saw it with my own eyes. It seems like up here they only cater to people who hunt with their rifles. The states reasoning seems to be if you have a 25 round clip you will hog the lane, cause too much damage, and distract the real hunters from adjusting the sights on their rifles. Right now I am having so much trouble finding a decent private rifle range. I found one that seems fairly decent but most of the rest seem to be indoor pistol ranges.

LifeinPa

A rifle can be shot in a indoor range. I think the only caliber not allowed at the range I go to is the 50 cal, because it would go through the back wall of the range. The club I'm looking at joining is all outdoor and allows up to 50 cal.

Yeah they have a pistol club in my area with an indoor range, I wonder if they would let me shoot there?

We have a few private and public ranges in my neck of the woods. Public ranges make me nervous. With private ranges, the higher the admission the less nervous I am.

Usually, indoor pistol ranges are not the best place for rifles. At an indoor pistol range, shooting stations are typically not designed to lay a rifle down with gear. This creates an environment where there's more movement between the shooting station and gear benches...or using the floor.... which creates all sorts of potential safety issues. There's a private indoor pistol range close to my home. The opertor allows folks to shoot rifles at his pistol stations. I will not go there.

Just my 2 cents.

I understand what you mean, and I have no problem paying for access. However I don't want to spend a fortune. Here is an example. In my area we have an outdoor range with plinking, target shooting, trap shooting, and they even have semi-auto military weapons to fire (For a fee). They charge $35 the first time you visit for a standard safety class, but for every visit afterwards they only charge you $10 for the whole day. This is a reasonable price.

Another example is this indoor range I found. Looks like a really nice place but they charge $18/hour. Thats right an hour. The worst part? For every additional person they charge you an extra $9. Now thats robbery. Even though it's an indoor range they allow you to fire .22 caliber rifles or carbine rifles that use pistol ammo. So you can't go firing off .223's or 30-06's.

Right now I am happy to report that the first place I mentioned will allow me to fire the gun as I please, as long as I don't fire the gun like Rambo (Rapid Fire). I can load the clip to 25 rounds, use my own targets, and they only charge me $10 for the whole day. Hopefully I like this range. I have a few other options to check out if it's not good. Come this Friday I will post a report from the range, I look forward to firing my M&P 15-22 as the designers intended.

glad you found a place, 10 dollars is what the charge at a local gun range here. So thats not bad at all. Hope you like it.

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Thanks, I think it's a fair and reasonable price. Here is a web link if you want to read about it: Sunset Hill Shooting Range

The local range is alot like that ,from what ive seen of there website, ours lets you rent automatic rifles etc, i think, Ive seen some of there vids, pretty coool. Good luck.

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Yeah they only rent semi-auto military rifles (AR-15, AK-47, M1 Garand). They even have Desert Eagles (.44 mag). I think you can fire one clip for like $8. I might want to try one of those bad boys.

Sounds like a good place to shoot.

Maybe some of the shooters there will be able to tell you the difference between a clip and a magazine.

Seriously facepalm.



No matter how hard I try I keep calling magazines clips, *** is wrong with me.

Lol, need deprogramming

Yeah need to be hypnotized or something.

dont worry to much about it,lol. When i first got my 15-22 i called them clips too. I posted something on a youtube vid, and a guy said something like ,maybe cause its a magazine, not a clip...

After that, i started to call it what it is.

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Damn maybe it's some type of disorder? Maybe we should form a group that focuses on curing this disorder.

lmao, maybe so, haha.

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You guys gonna form a "clip" support group?

maybe right a book entitled: 'Correct AR Rifle Terms for Dummies' lol.

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So here goes. Today I went to two ranges to fire my M&P 15-22 and for awhile I was having real fun firing this rifle. The first range I went to was the PA gaming range, so I could only load 3 rounds at a time. It was me, my father, and my fathers friend who is a bit of an expert in firearms. I wanted to fire the rifle first with the friend just to be sure I was handling the rifle properly and to see if the rifles sights were ok.

So we were at the range for maybe an hour. My father friend was there to test out his hunting rifles. We set up targets at 100 yards and fired 3 rounds at a time. I barely hit the target. Out of 40 rounds fired between my father and me we only got maybe 10 hits. At 100 yards we could barely see the target and this is the first firearm we ever owned so we have little experience. Out of these 40 rounds fired we had one failure to fire. We didn't think much of it. I pulled the charging handle, ejected the round, and kept going.

After this we starting taking shots on the 50 yard range. Here we did much better. Out of 50 shots we got maybe 25 on target. We noticed though on all the shots they were hitting low. Our friend adjusted the sights and we had some improvement. So after shooting these rounds we wrapped things up and headed home. At this point we shot about 80-90 rounds with just one failure to fire.

Later in the day we decided to check out the Sunset Hill Shooting Range. We took the mandatory safety class which costed $35/person. This was a one time fee so we didn't complain. After that it was only $10 per visit for the whole day. So after we passed the safety classes we began shooting.

My father rented a spotting scope (Only $1 for the whole day) and I began firing. This range was about 30 yards and I was doing good. I fired about 15 rounds and I got most of them on target, at this point I was really having a good time. Then it happened, I had my first failure to extract. The .22 round got stuck in the ejection port. I ejected the round by pulling the charging handle and continued to fire. I shot another 10 rounds then I had another bullet stuck in the ejection port. When I locked the bolt open I saw one of the rounds got stuck in the bore. I asked the guy who gave the safety class if I was seeing this right and he said yes, he got a ram rod and cleared the round.

Once the round was cleared I reloaded the clip and tried again. At this point the gun was failing to extract the bullet after maybe 6 shots. When all was said and done we fired the rifle another 50 times with constant failures (After 5-6 rounds) to extract after the first 15 rounds. So I am taking back to the store and I guess they will send it back to S&W for repairs.

I'm not really mad just disappointed. I called S&W just to see when my rifle was manufactured and it was made in July 2009, so I see I was given one of the older rifles. I just hope they fix it fast, get it back to me, and it works properly when I take it to the range. Until then I will need some emotional support.

Oh and when we fired the rifle for the last 50 shots we noticed the rifle was still shooting low, we will raise the sights another notch when we get it back.

Ok I am in.

dang, sorry to hear you had the issues man, that sux, i for sure feel you pain, cause i had to send mine 4 days after i got it for the same issues. They ship and return them via Fedex Ground so about a week both ways, and ive heard of them getting returned in a week or two latly. So good luck, and PM me anytime for support, lol.

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Thanks TxShooter. S&W said3-4 weeks. So hopefully by the end of November my rifle will be back in my hands and in perfect working order.

hopefully sooner, but hey, you should get a new mag or 2, everybody else has.

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We will see TxShooter, Gander Mountain might not even send the rifle back. I went back to the store today and told them what happened. I filled out the paper work and dropped off the rifle. They said on Monday the gunsmith will be back and take a look at the rifle. For some reason they seem to think the ammo I am using could be the cause of the problem, however I am using Federal Spitfire like most other MP 15-22 users so I highly doubt thats the problem.

They said if they cannot solve the problem the rifle will be sent back to S&W. I just hope the problem is resolved quickly and permanently.

its not the ammo, its just a common problem with the 15-22's. Thats just my 2cents. But maybe they can fix it, who knows. But honestly, they need to send it back to s&w, so they can fix the main issue, and any other part they may want to replace. So you dont have a screwed up gun again.

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Yes I hope they do whatever it takes to fix it right, even if that means sending it back to S&W and waiting a month to fire my rifle again. So TxShooter do you know what the primary problem is with my rifle? It's not extracting the spent casings properly, whats the cause?

, on the paperwork sent back from s&w, said they replaced the Extractor and Magazine. Been great ever since.

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Oh so it could be the magazine also, I had a weird feeling it could have been the magazine causing the jams.

Or, could be the ejector moved a little bit away from where it should be positioned. Nothing broke on yours, correct?

When I got home I disassembled to the rifle and took a look at the extractor and charging handle, they looked like they were in one piece. I also inspected the barrel via the bore and everything looked a-ok.

What about the ejector?

It looked like it was in one piece also, I examined every inch of the gun and couldn't really find anything that looked broken. However I only stripped the gun once before.

It could have moved a small amount out of position and caused you your grief. It would not need to be broken to start the problem.

Well I disassembled the gun at the range and at home. When I reassembled the gun at the range I would think it would solve such a problem. I would be happy if it's a simple problem like that since I will get my rifle back sooner.

Have you seen this post?

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-w...ml#post1119889

Yes when I was researching the rifle. I thought about making that mod but I was afraid I would screw it up.

Update:

Well Gander Mountain was supposed to have looked at my rifle on Monday but the gunsmith wasn't in, even though they promised she would be in. I called again today in the afternoon and was told the rifle was sent out. Since I was on my lunch break I called back when I got home to get details. After being put on hold for what seemed like 10 minutes they come back on the phone. They fired the rifle but couldn't get it to jam, I think they're full of it. They probably only put two rounds through it. They said since the rifle was so new S&W wanted them to send it back and it's being sent overnight.

So I will call S&W tomorrow and see if they got it, I want to get a time frame for how long this whole process is going to take from the source. Also when I do get the rifle back I am going to demand to see the rifle test fired for more than 2 rounds to make sure the repairs are done.

Well, thats sux that Gander didnt bother to fix it, i kinda figured that, i would rather s&w fix it right anyways, hope you get it back asap!!!

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Thanks TxShooter, hopefully they send it back just as fast.

You are better off having S&W look at it. The first time my 15-22 broke the extractor, Gander Mountain fixed it with parts from another in stock 15-22. The extractor lasted less than a month before breaking again. I sent it to S&W for repair and now the gun works great.