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Old 11-13-2009, 02:23 PM
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I got my rifle back today. The guy at the counter had no idea what S&W fixed, and S&W didn't include any paperwork explaining what was fixed. However S&W threw in a free magazine for my troubles which is a $20 value. I think both of the magazines I have are brand new. When I got the rifle home I took it apart to see if I noticed any changes to the rifle. I removed the extractor bolt and noticed it had fowling on it. I don't know if this is the old extractor bolt or S&W put in a new one, test fired it, and didn't bother to clean it.

Tomorrow I will get a chance to fire it, hopefully it works properly. Gander Mountain didn't give me any restitution for my troubles, and they didn't even bother to clean the dust off of my rifle from shipping. I have to say I am disappointed in that store. Here are some photo's:





Good you got it back. Tomorrow is test day.

Notice any difference in the location position of the ejector?

Oh, and ask GM where is the other magazine. S&W specifically states in their shipping instructions to not send any magazines with the gun. So you got 2 new magazines, now where is the 3rd one?

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Good you got it back. Tomorrow is test day.

Notice any difference in the location position of the ejector?

Oh, and ask GM where is the other magazine. S&W specifically states in their shipping instructions to not send any magazines with the gun. So you got 2 new magazines, now where is the 3rd one?
I think when I cracked open the rifle the ejector sits further in, before it stuck out a bit more I think. Still I am confounded why the ejector bolt has fowling on it? Tomorrow I will call GM and ask them whats up with the magazine.
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I think when I cracked open the rifle the ejector sits further in, before it stuck out a bit more I think. Still I am confounded why the ejector bolt has fowling on it? Tomorrow I will call GM and ask them whats up with the magazine.
Good idea to call GM.

You do know the location of the ejector, correct. Not the extractor, the ejector. Just want to make sure you are looking at the ejector.
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Good idea to call GM.

You do know the location of the ejector, correct. Not the extractor, the ejector. Just want to make sure you are looking at the ejector.

I wish you would clue me about that. Pics, would be nice too, if you have them.
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I got my rifle back today. The guy at the counter had no idea what S&W fixed, and S&W didn't include any paperwork explaining what was fixed. However S&W threw in a free magazine for my troubles which is a $20 value. I think both of the magazines I have are brand new. When I got the rifle home I took it apart to see if I noticed any changes to the rifle. I removed the extractor bolt and noticed it had fowling on it. I don't know if this is the old extractor bolt or S&W put in a new one, test fired it, and didn't bother to clean it.

Tomorrow I will get a chance to fire it, hopefully it works properly. Gander Mountain didn't give me any restitution for my troubles, and they didn't even bother to clean the dust off of my rifle from shipping. I have to say I am disappointed in that store. Here are some photo's:





Congrads on getting your gun back!!! Shop at Academy next time!!! If you have one...we have both, Academy and GM, i dont like GM either...there always priced higher and the people never seem that helpful to me.
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Good idea to call GM.

You do know the location of the ejector, correct. Not the extractor, the ejector. Just want to make sure you are looking at the ejector.
I am probably mixing the two terms up. I call this piece the extractor bolt:



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Congrads on getting your gun back!!! Shop at Academy next time!!! If you have one...we have both, Academy and GM, i dont like GM either...there always priced higher and the people never seem that helpful to me.
I will have to go to Academy's website to see if one is in the area. The only other sporting goods store I have visited is Cabela's and they overcharge for their firearms. For now on I will probably buy ammo and targets at Wal-Mart. When I am ready to accessories my rifle I might buy off the internet.

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I am probably mixing the two terms up. I call this piece the extractor bolt:



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I don't think so.

I would like to ask you a question now.

What in the heck did you do to your bolt?

That thing looks all beat to holy shell.

When you get failure to eject or feed issues, do you just keep pulling back the charger handle and let the bolt slam forward on jammed rounds ..... repeatedly, .... or something?
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his gun came back like that from s&w.
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his gun came back like that from s&w.

Yeah, because he sent it to them in that condition. He did not say S&W did that to his bolt face.

He did say, S&W sent his gun back dirty, but to his credit, he made it clear that therefore he knew they had test fired it.

Imagine if S&W sent them back clean. Then some guys guys would say .... "They probably didn't even test fire it!" whine blubber slobber waaaah .... etc.
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I am probably mixing the two terms up. I call this piece the extractor bolt:



Am I right?
Yes, that is the extractor you are looking at on the left side of the bolt as you face the picture. That piece is what broke off my 15-22.

The ejector can be seen when you remove the bolt and look from the magazine well up into the gun. If this ejector gets out of alignment it can start the failure to properly eject. Then stove pipes.....
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I don't think so.

I would like to ask you a question now.

What in the heck did you do to your bolt?

That thing looks all beat to holy shell.

When you get failure to eject or feed issues, do you just keep pulling back the charger handle and let the bolt slam forward on jammed rounds ..... repeatedly, .... or something?
Well nothing out of the ordinary except fire about 100 rounds (Federal Stinger) through it before returning it. When I get jams I drop the magazine, pull back on the charging handle once, and then let go. I will be cleaning it today before I head out. I am just curious if the fowling is from me or S&W test firing it? Guess we will never know.

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Yeah, because he sent it to them in that condition. He did not say S&W did that to his bolt face.

He did say, S&W sent his gun back dirty, but to his credit, he made it clear that therefore he knew they had test fired it.

Imagine if S&W sent them back clean. Then some guys guys would say .... "They probably didn't even test fire it!" whine blubber slobber waaaah .... etc.
That makes sense, maybe they sent it back in this condition to show the rifle was tested? However all this confusion could be avoided if they left a note with my gun describing what they did, what they found, and how they fixed it.

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Yes, that is the extractor you are looking at on the left side of the bolt as you face the picture. That piece is what broke off my 15-22.

The ejector can be seen when you remove the bolt and look from the magazine well up into the gun. If this ejector gets out of alignment it can start the failure to properly eject. Then stove pipes.....
Oh, you mean that long little plastic piece? I have to take my gun apart when I clean it and see if I can find it.

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I think the ejector is the thin long piece with hook that sticking out from barrel/chamber end.
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The rear sight is machined so sloppy that it actaually sets at a angle from the barrel,cocked to the left..anyone else notice this on thiers...just appears to be low quality ....
The sight on the 15-22 look like S&W went shopping at the UTG parts bin to build their rifle.
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SW says theres been no recall or issues with the gun...as for loading the mags...I have loaded lots of mags ...always tap on my hand or bench to seat and align....Do not hold on to the mag or rest the mag on the bench when shooting....DONT know what more to do!!!
Hahahaha... "No issues" That's the same wording S&W replied with to me when I e-mailed them about specific issues that multiple owners were reporting.

I agree with you about mag loading. There should be no need to be a physics major to load a mag. Even after rifles are being returned from S&W -up to spec- there are still problems with rounds jamming in the magazine. Another "no issues"...

In any event, I get a handful of jams out of a 550 box. I can live with that. For those who can't, I agree with you, dump it and move on to something else.
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I don't think so.

I would like to ask you a question now.

What in the heck did you do to your bolt?

That thing looks all beat to holy shell.

When you get failure to eject or feed issues, do you just keep pulling back the charger handle and let the bolt slam forward on jammed rounds ..... repeatedly, .... or something?
The scraped build-up on the right of the bolt (left side looking at your screen) is exactly where a spent casing will get caught and slammed into the breech; FTE. The left side of the bolt looks cleaner because the spent gasses do not pass in that direction. In other words.... looks just like what you'd expect it to look like.
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Talking Visited the range today, and the news is good.

Today I took the rifle out and put 450 rounds through it. It worked beautifully. The only two minor problems I had was one bullet getting stuck in the bore which was quickly cleared, and the gun started jamming when my father used it. The people in charge saw how he was firing it and it was jamming because of user error. He was firing the gun from a sitting position and putting pressure on the magazine, causing the ammo not to feed properly. Due to this we will likely invest in sand bags in the near future, or maybe a bi-pod.

So now the reliability is where it should be, with just one failure caused by a bad round. Big difference we noticed while firing the rifle this time was with how much force the casings were being expelled from the rifle. So much in fact the casings were ricocheting off the wall next to us and smacking us in the head. Good thing we had eye protection, one of the casings hit me in my brow. My father got one in his hair and his neck, the casings were hot but we didn't get burned. I know now S&W fixed or modified this rifle because I don't remember the rifle doing this before which might have been why the casings got caught in the bolt.

On accuracy this rifle is just great. Me and my father are just novices this being only the second rifle we ever operated but we were tearing up the targets from 20 and 30 yards. All shots were in the target area with most near to the center or dead on. This was done with the standard iron sights. We adjusted the rear sights up one more notch and we noticed improved accuracy.

After the day was over we ran into one of my fathers friends who was talking to the president of the local gun club. He was interested in our firearm since he wanted to purchase one. I told him the whole story and how I was impressed with the rifle after getting it back from S&W. Now he wants us to join the club so he can get a chance to fire our sweet rifle.

So long story short I am very happy with this rifle now. Due to the good experiences with this rifle and the invitation to this local gun club we have decided to buy another S&W product probably in the next month. The M&P .40 pistol. I was admiring it from reviews I read online and I really wanted it when I saw it in Gander Mountain. So with luck I will be buying it next month.

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Oh I am familiar with that piece, nothing really looked like it was changed or adjusted.

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Thanks for the informative summary...glad it is working!
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No problem 460v, thank you and the other members of this website for all the support and information.
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Well nothing out of the ordinary except fire about 100 rounds (Federal Stinger) through it before returning it. When I get jams I drop the magazine, pull back on the charging handle once, and then let go. I will be cleaning it today before I head out. I am just curious if the fowling is from me or S&W test firing it? Guess we will never know.
It may be that your bolt return spring is just a bit stronger than mine. I put over 120 rounds through mine, before it began have fte, and my bolt does not have any dings or compression marks.

Your rifle is working perfectly now though, and so there you go. I am happy for you.
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It may be that your bolt return spring is just a bit stronger than mine. I put over 120 rounds through mine, before it began have fte, and my bolt does not have any dings or compression marks.

Your rifle is working perfectly now though, and so there you go. I am happy for you.
Thanks, I couldn't be happier right now. Since S&W did such a great job I can guarantee they will have business from me in the future.

Whats the status of your rifle btw?
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Nothing has changed since my range performance report. I have not yet been back to fire it again. I hope to go soon though. I love to fire my 15-22.
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Nothing has changed since my range performance report. I have not yet been back to fire it again. I hope to go soon though. I love to fire my 15-22.
I was reading your thread and saw that you had some problems with your 15-22. However it seems to have worked itself out.

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I was reading your thread and saw that you had some problems with your 15-22. However it seems to have worked itself out.

Of course. It makes no sense to panic when a brand new gun that is not even broken in yet, and is also dirty as all get out, begins to have a few f2l and f2e incidents. I got a few f2l and f2e .... after firing over a hundred rounds as fast as I could pull the trigger .... because the gun by then needed cleaning. This is far from unexpected with a brand new 22lr autoloader.

I am amazed at how some people here have even lost their marbles and gone right off the deep end. If S&W was not standing behind their product, as they for darn tootin sure are, then maybe I could see it. But holy cow! Some of these people, either have to be trolling here for a threatened competitor, or they are just plain mentally unstable or something.
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Of course. It makes no sense to panic when a brand new gun that is not even broken in yet, and is also dirty as all get out, begins to have a few f2l and f2e incidents. I got a few f2l and f2e .... after firing over a hundred rounds as fast as I could pull the trigger .... because the gun by then needed cleaning. This is far from unexpected with a brand new 22lr autoloader.

I am amazed at how some people here have even lost their marbles and gone right off the deep end. If S&W was not standing behind their product, as they for darn tootin sure are, then maybe I could see it. But holy cow! Some of these people, either have to be trolling here for a threatened competitor, or they are just plain mentally unstable or something.
In general, I tend to agree. There have been some here that have obvioulsy lost sleep while worrying about what condition their rifle would return from S&W. Now there seems to be some bashers here too. But I think all that's to be expected when a manufacturer puts out a troubled product. Not everyone will have a shoulder-shrugging attitude toward a $500 toy.

As far as .22s needing to be broken in.... did you mean that parts need to be 'broken off', like feed ramps and extractors, before they work correctly? (Just teasing)

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Of course. It makes no sense to panic when a brand new gun that is not even broken in yet, and is also dirty as all get out, begins to have a few f2l and f2e incidents. I got a few f2l and f2e .... after firing over a hundred rounds as fast as I could pull the trigger .... because the gun by then needed cleaning. This is far from unexpected with a brand new 22lr autoloader.

I am amazed at how some people here have even lost their marbles and gone right off the deep end. If S&W was not standing behind their product, as they for darn tootin sure are, then maybe I could see it. But holy cow! Some of these people, either have to be trolling here for a threatened competitor, or they are just plain mentally unstable or something.
Some people are just impatient. I was disappointed when my 15-22 failed me, but S&W did well in fixing the problems. Got it back to me in 2 weeks and gave me a free mag for my troubles.
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Some people are just impatient. I was disappointed when my 15-22 failed me, but S&W did well in fixing the problems. Got it back to me in 2 weeks and gave me a free mag for my troubles.
It pays, to be a grownup about it, doesn't it?
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It pays, to be a grownup about it, doesn't it?
If this happened to me 2-3 years ago I probably would have thrown a tantrum.

However I did some growing up in the past few years.
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was i happy about having to send my first S&W product ive ever got back 4 days after i got it....no, not at all. But i sent it back, they fixed the issue, and i love the gun. Just pays to be patient as others said.
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was i happy about having to send my first S&W product ive ever got back 4 days after i got it....no, not at all. But i sent it back, they fixed the issue, and i love the gun. Just pays to be patient as others said.
I think the problem is with the uncertainty. When will I get the rifle back? Will it work when I get back? Will I have to go through this whole process a second time? Thats why these people get so upset.
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I think the problem is with the uncertainty. When will I get the rifle back? Will it work when I get back? Will I have to go through this whole process a second time? Thats why these people get so upset.
Having a backup gun available when a favorite firearm breaks makes the wait a whole lot easier.
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Congrads on getting your gun back!!! Shop at Academy next time!!! If you have one...we have both, Academy and GM, i dont like GM either...there always priced higher and the people never seem that helpful to me.
I don't agree with your visit to GM. I purchased my AR15-22 from GM. After about 3 mags of shooting, the extractor went missing, and the gun started jamming!!! After I came home and cleaned the rifle, I took it back to GM to see what they can do for me. They took the bolt out, and said, "Looks like you're extractor is missing." I played stupid and say what's an extractor?? They went to the floor and got the display one, pull the bolt out and showed it to me. I said "Ohhhh". Then the gun manager took out the bolt in my gun, and replaced it with the bolt from the floor display. He apologized about the mishap and sent me on my way.

That's customer service if you ask me!!!


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Having a backup gun available when a favorite firearm breaks makes the wait a whole lot easier.
Yeah well thats why I want to get that M&P .40 now.

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I don't agree with your visit to GM. I purchased my AR15-22 from GM. After about 3 mags of shooting, the extractor went missing, and the gun started jamming!!! After I came home and cleaned the rifle, I took it back to GM to see what they can do for me. They took the bolt out, and said, "Looks like you're extractor is missing." I played stupid and say what's an extractor?? They went to the floor and got the display one, pull the bolt out and showed it to me. I said "Ohhhh". Then the gun manager took out the bolt in my gun, and replaced it with the bolt from the floor display. He apologized about the mishap and sent me on my way.

That's customer service if you ask me!!!


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You seem lucky enough to have a decent GM by you. My Gander Mountain didn't do anything like that, and they didn't even give me any restitution. When I picked up my rifle they were nice about it but with all the money I spent on gas I expected them to give me something for my troubles, like a free box of Federal Bulk.
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You seem lucky enough to have a decent GM by you. My Gander Mountain didn't do anything like that, and they didn't even give me any restitution. When I picked up my rifle they were nice about it but with all the money I spent on gas I expected them to give me something for my troubles, like a free box of Federal Bulk.
That M&P 40 is a nice gun. I think the M&P 9 is better because it is cheaper to shoot. JMHO.

The Gander Mountain I got mine from was ok. When my extractor broke the first time, they ended up pulling parts out of another 15-22 to fix mine. That part lasted about 2 weeks till it blew out. So ended up sending to S&W and got fixed correctly. GM did give me a couple of $10.00 off coupons for my troubles.
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That M&P 40 is a nice gun. I think the M&P 9 is better because it is cheaper to shoot. JMHO.

The Gander Mountain I got mine from was ok. When my extractor broke the first time, they ended up pulling parts out of another 15-22 to fix mine. That part lasted about 2 weeks till it blew out. So ended up sending to S&W and got fixed correctly. GM did give me a couple of $10.00 off coupons for my troubles.
Yeah I considered the 9mm but I want to buy this gun for home defense, the .40 round from what I have read performs just like the 9mm but it has 50% more stopping power. I am trying to find out the price of .40 ammo as we speak. In the end I think it was best my rifle was sent back because I would be steaming if I had to spend another small fortune driving back and forth between GM. Still though GM should have gave me something for my troubles like S&W did.
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WHY in the HELL should you have to return a 500.0 22 the first week you own it because it wont cycle???? Some of the people on here must be on the SW payroll!!!
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Another happy new 15-22 owner.

Glad you love your new rifle 32hibo.
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Yeah well thats why I want to get that M&P .40 now.



You seem lucky enough to have a decent GM by you. My Gander Mountain didn't do anything like that, and they didn't even give me any restitution. When I picked up my rifle they were nice about it but with all the money I spent on gas I expected them to give me something for my troubles, like a free box of Federal Bulk.
Yeah, sucks they didnt give you anything for your troubles, they should have, The Manager i delt with at Academy where i got my 15-22 was awesome, we kept in contact from the time my gun left till i got it back, he even gave me 2 100rd boxes of Winchester Superx, and a hard plastic case to put my 15-22 in for my troubles, bout a 35 buck value all together. So i was happy!!!
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WHY in the HELL should you have to return a 500.0 22 the first week you own it because it wont cycle???? Some of the people on here must be on the SW payroll!!!
WOW you over payed lol, $500 are you serious? haha.. I've had mine for 2 months, no problems at all with my 15-22 it's the most reliable .22 I own, cycles all kinds of **** ammo I've put through it and I haven't cleaned it since the initial cleaning 700 rds ago and it still functions like a champ!
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WHY in the HELL should you have to return a 500.0 22 the first week you own it because it wont cycle????
The answer is, you don't have to. You can keep your non-cycling 15-22 in it's current condition forever.
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WHY in the HELL should you have to return a 500.0 22 the first week you own it because it wont cycle???? Some of the people on here must be on the SW payroll!!!
It sucks that I had to return the rifle. However S&W fixed the rifle fast, and gave me a free magazine for my troubles. Now that I witnessed their awesome customer service I know any product I buy from them can be trusted to work or they will fix it at their own expense. It's a new rifle so as with any new product it should be expected that some will get lemons, however thats forgivable if the product is fixed fast and right the first time while costing me nothing.

Thats how I feel anyway.

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Yeah, sucks they didnt give you anything for your troubles, they should have, The Manager i delt with at Academy where i got my 15-22 was awesome, we kept in contact from the time my gun left till i got it back, he even gave me 2 100rd boxes of Winchester Superx, and a hard plastic case to put my 15-22 in for my troubles, bout a 35 buck value all together. So i was happy!!!
Right now I am more pissed with Gander Mountain than anyone else. How could they not give me something for my troubles?

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Angry My rifle has failed me again.

I took my M&P 15-22 out on the range today and the rifle started to have failure to feed issues from the first clip. I would pull the clip out and find the round facing straight up. This time I used CCI Mini-Mag (1260 FPS). I also tired the Federal's and had the same problem. The only things I can think of thats causing the problems is the weather. It was between 15-20 F on the range. Also the gun was a bit dirty, I put 400+ rounds through it the last time and didn't clean it. So what should I do? It's going to be too cold to visit the range for awhile so I am thinking of contacting S&W for shipping material and having them look at it. If it wasn't for all the **** going on in my life right now I might be more upset but I just don't have the time for it. Suggestions? Thanks.
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I would pull the clip out and find the round facing straight up.
That's a chronic issue among many 15-22s, even rifles having been to S&W for repair. I get about a half dozen +/- of the same thing out of 500rds of Fed Val Pack. I didn't read how often this is happening with your rifle but you might lower the rate by taking care in loading the 'magazine', but it's been a chronic problem.
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That's a chronic issue among many 15-22s, even rifles having been to S&W for repair. I get about a half dozen +/- of the same thing out of 500rds of Fed Val Pack. I didn't read how often this is happening with your rifle but you might lower the rate by taking care in loading the 'magazine', but it's been a chronic problem.
Trust me when I say much care has been taken when I load the magazines. We load one round at a time and we only leave enough room to put one round in the magazine. I guess my best bet is to send the rifle back again? If so do you think S&W will send me packing material because I don't want to take the long trip to Gander Mountain again.
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if you still have the box it came in, just get some brown wrapping paper at walmart, by the school supplies, where the mailing stuff is, and wrap the box, and ship it off.
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Been checking your loading? I have problems when the magazines are loaded indifferently and end up like the one on the right.



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Trust me when I say much care has been taken when I load the magazines. We load one round at a time and we only leave enough room to put one round in the magazine. I guess my best bet is to send the rifle back again? If so do you think S&W will send me packing material because I don't want to take the long trip to Gander Mountain again.
I believe you. I take my time loading the magazines and still have the same problem as you describe. I'm not sure you'll get much satisfaction sending it back once more to S&W. I've asked Beck27 and others who had the problem prior to sending it to S&W for repair and they have told me that the issue persists. That's why I haven't sent mine back...... yet.
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I believe you. I take my time loading the magazines and still have the same problem as you describe. I'm not sure you'll get much satisfaction sending it back once more to S&W. I've asked Beck27 and others who had the problem prior to sending it to S&W for repair and they have told me that the issue persists. That's why I haven't sent mine back...... yet.
Sigh, so S&W doesn't really have a fix for this problem? How long does the warranty last?

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if you still have the box it came in, just get some brown wrapping paper at walmart, by the school supplies, where the mailing stuff is, and wrap the box, and ship it off.
I guess thats what I will be doing, but S&W has to pay for the shipping.
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Sigh, so S&W doesn't really have a fix for this problem? How long does the warranty last?



Yes, none of my magazines looked like that.



I guess thats what I will be doing, but S&W has to pay for the shipping.
My "conspiracy theory" on this problem is that the ammo is slightly out of spec and larger than spec in case diameter. We are just talking .001s here. Different lots of ammo can vary just a bit, especially when shooting the bulk packs.

If you will take some time and read other rimfire forums, you will find that no manufacturer of the semi auto rimfires in this price range have all their products give 100% trouble free operation.
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There's a "vast" difference in cartridge overall legth based on the four sample lots I have on hand. Federal 40gr Target round nose is the longest and requires a lot of attention to detail to load.

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