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I just bought one a couple of weeks ago, but haven't taken it to the range yet. I go later this week. It is an amazing looking 22. Cannot wait to shoot it. I'll keep you posted on the results.
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best of luck with it!!! Ive sure enjoyed mine since its return from s&w.
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You are better off having S&W look at it. The first time my 15-22 broke the extractor, Gander Mountain fixed it with parts from another in stock 15-22. The extractor lasted less than a month before breaking again. I sent it to S&W for repair and now the gun works great.
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I just hope they find the problem, right now I am worried that they won't find a problem with it and when I get it back it will still be screwed up.
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I just hope they find the problem, right now I am worried that they won't find a problem with it and when I get it back it will still be screwed up.
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Don't worry so much.
S&W will get your rifle working again... probably. I bet it will fire at least three rounds before it begins jamming. Just kidding of course.
I would rest assured that S&W knows exactly what poblems there are with their product and how to remedy. I suspect that S&W was well aware of the issues before they shipped the first rifle out.
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Don't worry so much.
S&W will get your rifle working again... probably. I bet it will fire at least three rounds before it begins jamming. Just kidding of course.
I would rest assured that S&W knows exactly what poblems there are with their product and how to remedy. I suspect that S&W was well aware of the issues before they shipped the first rifle out.
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Then why not recall the rifles before selling them? It doesn't make sense.
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Then why not recall the rifles before selling them? It doesn't make sense.
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Profit. Widget companies are always faced with balancing costs/sales/reputation.
What would not make sense to me is that for a company like S&W to be clueless as to how their shipped products will perform, and that includes shipping less than perfect products.
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I just hope they find the problem, right now I am worried that they won't find a problem with it and when I get it back it will still be screwed up.
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Well, mine had broken parts, so it was easy to find the problem. It was fixed, tested, and now shoots great.
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Don't worry so much.
S&W will get your rifle working again... probably. I bet it will fire at least three rounds before it begins jamming. Just kidding of course.
I would rest assured that S&W knows exactly what poblems there are with their product and how to remedy. I suspect that S&W was well aware of the issues before they shipped the first rifle out.
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I don't think S&W was aware of the issues. They could not have tested and shot all the brands of ammo that are sitting in buyers homes. And, .22 ammo varies between lots of the same manufacturer. As first buyers, we are actually testing the guns for them. They are very quick to fix the problems that have occurred.
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Not all the rifles have a problem. One poster on the forum has shot over 6000 rounds thru his with no issues. If it breaks, S&W is taking care of it with no cost shipping both ways.
And, no, I don't work for S&W. They did send me two free magazines since my 15-22 got to take a ride on the FedEx truck.
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Profit. Widget companies are always faced with balancing costs/sales/reputation.
What would not make sense to me is that for a company like S&W to be clueless as to how their shipped products will perform, and that includes shipping less than perfect products.
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Makes sense but if they put out a bunch of bad rifles that can't be good for their reputation. They can be good about fixing the rifle and how they treat the customer but not many people are going to be happy about losing their rifle for a month.
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Well, mine had broken parts, so it was easy to find the problem. It was fixed, tested, and now shoots great.
I don't think S&W was aware of the issues. They could not have tested and shot all the brands of ammo that are sitting in buyers homes. And, .22 ammo varies between lots of the same manufacturer. As first buyers, we are actually testing the guns for them. They are very quick to fix the problems that have occurred.
Not all the rifles have a problem. One poster on the forum has shot over 6000 rounds thru his with no issues. If it breaks, S&W is taking care of it with no cost shipping both ways.
And, no, I don't work for S&W. They did send me two free magazines since my 15-22 got to take a ride on the FedEx truck.
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I don't think the problem is with the ammo, how can I fire Federal Spitfire like most other people and have these problems? I just wish I got the M&P 15-22 that lasted for thousands of rounds. Don't worry I believe that you don't work for S&W but I just really miss my rifle right now, never before in my life did I have such an urge to shoot something.
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I don't think S&W was aware of the issues. They could not have tested and shot all the brands of ammo that are sitting in buyers homes. And, .22 ammo varies between lots of the same manufacturer. As first buyers, we are actually testing the guns for them. They are very quick to fix the problems that have occurred.
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I don't mean to be argumentative, but I'm pretty sure a company like S&W has the resources and testing capacity exceeding that of a couple guys making a YouTube video in the woods with a variety of currently manufactured ammo in retail stores.
Since I have no first-hand knowledge of S&W manufacturing, testing and quality control, I'd be interested to hear from those who do. I'd be surprised to hear that S&W has no significant and robust testing of newly designed and manufactured products, and that S&W is clueless about the operation of their products absent consumer feedback. Though, it would not be the first time I find myself being surprised.(grin)
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Makes sense but if they put out a bunch of bad rifles that can't be good for their reputation. They can be good about fixing the rifle and how they treat the customer but not many people are going to be happy about losing their rifle for a month.
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Yes... it isn't good for reputation. Since we don't know what evil lurks in the minds of S&W... we can only guess. I suppose it's possible that S&W calculates that a recreational shooter isn't worth the quality control, or has minimal impact on reputation? Who knows....
If I was reading about reliabilty issues with a firearm that I intended to rely on for self defense I would never purchase it, period, regardless if S&W stands behind their product or not. Who needs such issues when there are so many other proven products to chose from. On the other hand, I'd purchase a toy like the 15-22 even after reading about all the troubles.
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[QUOTE=27 Beck;1161524] And, no, I don't work for S&W. /QUOTE]
Rumors about you and TxShooter (grin)
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And, no, I don't work for S&W.
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Rumors about you and TxShooter (grin)
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Deny, deny, deny.
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Yes... it isn't good for reputation. Since we don't know what evil lurks in the minds of S&W... we can only guess. I suppose it's possible that S&W calculates that a recreational shooter isn't worth the quality control, or has minimal impact on reputation? Who knows....
If I was reading about reliabilty issues with a firearm that I intended to rely on for self defense I would never purchase it, period, regardless if S&W stands behind their product or not. Who needs such issues when there are so many other proven products to chose from. On the other hand, I'd purchase a toy like the 15-22 even after reading about all the troubles.
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I understand where you're coming from, but this is quite an expensive toy to break down so quickly.
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this is quite an expensive toy to break down so quickly.
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Absolutley.
For that matter, any priced S&W firearm should be expected, with rare exception, to function properly. And there should be no need bring a bag to the shooting range to collect items breaking off.
All that being said, this particular firearm is somewhat of a bird of a different feather. The 15-22 is clearly a product that was produced with form (looks) in mind, and secondarily designed to function within the form. That's part of what makes it a toy, IMO. Umarex/Walther/Colt did the same thing when producing a .22lr copy of the M4. They have had functioning problems with their rifle as well. Then there's the Ruger SR-22. Unlike the Umarex and S&W, the SR-22 form was built around function. And.... it works. But, I don't like the looks of that functional scrawny magazine (wink). So there it is... as a consumer I went with form over function. I think I got what I paid for.
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Absolutley.
For that matter, any priced S&W firearm should be expected, with rare exception, to function properly. And there should be no need bring a bag to the shooting range to collect items breaking off.
All that being said, this particular firearm is somewhat of a bird of a different feather. The 15-22 is clearly a product that was produced with form (looks) in mind, and secondarily designed to function within the form. That's part of what makes it a toy, IMO. Umarex/Walther/Colt did the same thing when producing a .22lr copy of the M4. They have had functioning problems with their rifle as well. Then there's the Ruger SR-22. Unlike the Umarex and S&W, the SR-22 form was built around function. And.... it works. But, I don't like the looks of that functional scrawny magazine (wink). So there it is... as a consumer I went with form over function. I think I got what I paid for.
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Oh now I see what you're getting at, I can now understand why you classify it as a toy. When I bought this rifle I was looking for form and function and I thought thats what I got. The SR-22 is just function, under the skin it's just an expensive Ruger 10/22.
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Update:
So today I contacted S&W to see the status of my rifle. They didn't have too much detailed information but here is what I learned:
- The rifle is on it's way to shipping, so it's heading back to Gander Mountain. However they didn't tell me what was wrong with it, or what they did to fix it. I am concerned they didn't properly troubleshoot the rifle and I will get it back in the same condition.
- Gander Mountain sent the rifle out with a live round in the chamber, the stupidity is amazing.
- They couldn't tell me when my rifle will arrive for pickup or how long it will take to ship it.
Hopefully the problem has been resolved and I will be shooting my rifle soon. I just hope when I get the rifle back they include a written explanation of what was wrong with the rifle and how they fixed the problem. I also hope they loaded the clip with 25 rounds and emptied the clip to prove that the rifle functions properly. More updates to come as I learn more.
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Don't expect a lengthy description. If your lucky, you will get a "updated to current specs", if your unlucky, you'll get a "unable to reproduce problem".
Most likely, they will have updated your rifle and it will be good to go.
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Don't expect a lengthy description. If your lucky, you will get a "updated to current specs", if your unlucky, you'll get a "unable to reproduce problem".
Most likely, they will have updated your rifle and it will be good to go.
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Here's hoping because if I get a broken rifle I will go from disappointed to angry very fast.
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Don't expect a lengthy description. If your lucky, you will get a "updated to current specs", if your unlucky, you'll get a "unable to reproduce problem".
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Agree. Hope they fixed your rifle.
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when i got mine back, on the paperwork they told me what they fixed. Also, after Academy sent it off, i called s&w quite a bit. The last time i called they told me it had been returned, and gave me the tracking #. Best of luck.
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when i got mine back, on the paperwork they told me what they fixed. Also, after Academy sent it off, i called s&w quite a bit. The last time i called they told me it had been returned, and gave me the tracking #. Best of luck.
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I hope they give me some details, I want to know it all.
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I am concerned they didn't properly troubleshoot the rifle and I will get it back in the same condition.
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Some firearms just never work quite right. Your rifle may be one of them. I had a Walther like that so I traded it. There's a guy on this board who speaks well of his Marlin 60. Maybe he'll trade with you?
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TxShooter,
What exactly did S&W tell you they did to your rifle?
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They said they replaced the extractor and magazine.
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Some firearms just never work quite right. Your rifle may be one of them. I had a Walther like that so I traded it. There's a guy on this board who speaks well of his Marlin 60. Maybe he'll trade with you?
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Please, please don't tell me I might have a lemon on my hands.
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Gander Mountain got my rifle back from S&W. I will be picking it up on Friday and hopefully firing it on Saturday. Hopefully it works.
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Please, please don't tell me I might have a lemon on my hands.
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That was a quick turnaround. They must have had your gun on high priority.
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That was a quick turnaround. They must have had your gun on high priority.
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Any theories why that would be?
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1. They sensed you were having withdrawl from not having your rifle.
2. They added extra techs to work on the 15-22s.
3. They are getting caught up on repairing the 15-22s
4. They wanted to get the rifle out of there that had a live round in chamber when received.
5. They could not duplicate any bad issues.
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1. They sensed you were having withdrawl from not having your rifle.
2. They added extra techs to work on the 15-22s.
3. They are getting caught up on repairing the 15-22s
4. They wanted to get the rifle out of there that had a live round in chamber when received.
5. They could not duplicate any bad issues.
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That put a smile on my face, thanks.
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That put a smile on my face, thanks.
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Welcome. Now go to GM and get your 15-22 and give us a range report. ASAP.
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Welcome. Now go to GM and get your 15-22 and give us a range report. ASAP.
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Will do buddy.
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Will do buddy.
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Lol, and remember the rifle uses magazines, not clips. And hopefully S&W will have sent you an extra magazine or two for your inconvenience.
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Good luck this time around!!!!
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Lol, and remember the rifle uses magazines, not clips. And hopefully S&W will have sent you an extra magazine or two for your inconvenience.
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Well I would be very happy if S&W gives me an extra mag or two, but I am going to ask the people at Gander Mountain for restitution. I spent $700 for the rifle, ammo, and accessories. Plus I will have made about 3 rounds trips back and forth between the store, which equals out to 300 miles. I think for all the money I spent on fuel alone they should give me a free brick of any ammo I chose for my rifle.
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Thanks Shooter, I will have the results by Saturday when I get my rifle on the range. I will be picking up this rifle on Friday.
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Well I would be very happy if S&W gives me an extra mag or two, but I am going to ask the people at Gander Mountain for restitution. I spent $700 for the rifle, ammo, and accessories. Plus I will have made about 3 rounds trips back and forth between the store, which equals out to 300 miles. I think for all the money I spent on fuel alone they should give me a free brick of any ammo I chose for my rifle.
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Go for it. Tell them the forum members on SW.com agree that you should get some ammo for your trouble.
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Hi All,
First of all I am not on here trying to run down any product..However I must say I have a GSG-5 and just purchased a MP 15-22...I have had a lot of fun with the GSG...the SW 15-22 jams all the time...tried 2 differant ammo,s....Just not happy with the gun....
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thats because you have the same problem that alot of us have had right out of the box with the 15-22. You'll have to send it in, take about 4 weeks or less these days it seems to get it back, and you'll love it. Thats what i had to do, and the gun has been awesome since its return.
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I am with YOU
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Well I would be very happy if S&W gives me an extra mag or two, but I am going to ask the people at Gander Mountain for restitution. I spent $700 for the rifle, ammo, and accessories. Plus I will have made about 3 rounds trips back and forth between the store, which equals out to 300 miles. I think for all the money I spent on fuel alone they should give me a free brick of any ammo I chose for my rifle.
Thanks Shooter, I will have the results by Saturday when I get my rifle on the range. I will be picking up this rifle on Friday.
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I dont think you should spend about 500.0 on a product take it home and it dont work!!!
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thats because you have the same problem that alot of us have had right out of the box with the 15-22. You'll have to send it in, take about 4 weeks or less these days it seems to get it back, and you'll love it. Thats what i had to do, and the gun has been awesome since its return.
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If I get it back in working order I think I will forget my troubles quickly, but it would be nice if Gander Mountain went the extra mile and threw me a free brick of ammo.
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Absolutely agree, but if it works when I get it back and I get some restitution I will let it go.
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MINES a good bye alright
Its goin to the gun show sat....let someone else deal with it!!!
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Sorry to hear that, trading it in or getting it fixed?
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Getting it fixed i hope!!!
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How much you want for it?
When you say it is jamming, are you getting failure to feed, failure to eject (stovepipes or ?)
Is the magazine getting loaded correctly? Have you looked at the position of the ejector and made the ejector mod?
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11-12-2009, 10:46 PM
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SW says theres been no recall or issues with the gun...as for loading the mags...I have loaded lots of mags ...always tap on my hand or bench to seat and align....Do not hold on to the mag or rest the mag on the bench when shooting....DONT know what more to do!!!
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11-12-2009, 10:58 PM
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The rear sight is machined so sloppy that it actaually sets at a angle from the barrel,cocked to the left..anyone else notice this on thiers...just appears to be low quality ....
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11-12-2009, 11:36 PM
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nope, didnt notice, mine was pretty spot on when before i put a scope on it.
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11-12-2009, 11:40 PM
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The rear sight is machined so sloppy that it actaually sets at a angle from the barrel,cocked to the left..anyone else notice this on thiers...just appears to be low quality ....
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My sights are very sturdy and strong. Sorry to hear you got a bad one. Or perhaps it was damaged in shipping or something? Thankfully, S & W stands behind their work, and you can count on them to set this situation aright.
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11-13-2009, 05:29 AM
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The rear sight is machined so sloppy that it actaually sets at a angle from the barrel,cocked to the left..anyone else notice this on thiers...just appears to be low quality ....
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Didn't keep the sights on long enough to notice. Went to optics right away.
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11-13-2009, 12:50 PM
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My sights are very sturdy and strong. Sorry to hear you got a bad one. Or perhaps it was damaged in shipping or something? Thankfully, S & W stands behind their work, and you can count on them to set this situation aright.
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i dont think he's gonna give s&w a chance to fix it, i think he said he was going to sell it at a gun show this weekend..
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I got my rifle back today. The guy at the counter had no idea what S&W fixed, and S&W didn't include any paperwork explaining what was fixed. However S&W threw in a free magazine for my troubles which is a $20 value. I think both of the magazines I have are brand new. When I got the rifle home I took it apart to see if I noticed any changes to the rifle. I removed the extractor bolt and noticed it had fowling on it. I don't know if this is the old extractor bolt or S&W put in a new one, test fired it, and didn't bother to clean it.
Tomorrow I will get a chance to fire it, hopefully it works properly. Gander Mountain didn't give me any restitution for my troubles, and they didn't even bother to clean the dust off of my rifle from shipping. I have to say I am disappointed in that store. Here are some photo's:
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223, 22lr, carbine, colt, commercial, ejector, extractor, fouling, garand, gunsmith, kimber, military, model 625, remington, rimfire, rossi, ruger, scope, sig arms, solvent, taurus, walther, winchester |
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