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Hello, my name is Chris and I am interested in the S&W MP 15-22. I've wanted to get into target shooting for awhile now. Originally I wanted to get an AR-15 (The kind that fires .223) for my first weapon but I thought to myself that might be too ambitious for a first weapon. So for the past few months I weighed my options. Originally I just planned on buying a Ruger 10/22, learn to shoot with this rifle, and eventually get a full blown AR-15. Then someone recommended I get an AR-15 converted to fire .22 LR, sounded like a great idea but I never owned a firearm before and lack the knowledge to make the conversion myself. Not to mention the price, which was more than I wanted to pay for my first rifle.

More recently I have seen dedicated .22 LR made to match the operation and feel of the AR-15, to me this option is very intriguing. The Ruger SR-22 was the first .22 I discovered. However I didn't like that it didn't come with iron sights, and uses a rotary clip instead of a magazine. So I kept on researching and discovered the M&P 15-22. On paper it seemed perfect: Cost under $500, has iron sights standard, has a 25 round magazine standard, simulates the controls/feel of a fully blown AR-15, and it has plenty of places to mount optics, scopes, etc.

So I just wanted to see how the owners of the MP 15-22 feel about this firearm. I have been reading reviews (Both here and the rest of the internet) on the M&P 15-22 and had some mixed findings. Most seem to love the rifle, some though have had problems. I don't know if these problems are early models, current models, or what. My other concern is loading the clip, it seems if you don't do it in a certain manor it might cause the weapon to jam/fail. The final concern I have is the ammo itself, from what I have read if you don't use certain brands (cci minimags or Federal Bulk) the spent casings don't extract properly.

So please feel free to share your experiences/knowledge on this weapon. I don't want to drop $400+ and end up with a dud. Please note I am new to this hobby and only fired a few pistols/rifles so far so I would prefer you keep everything in laymen terms. Thank you.

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I've had mine for about a month and love the gun. I've put 750- rounds through it - mostly Federal and CCI Blaxer bulk pack - with one 'jam'. That malfunction was due to the way I loaded the last round in the magazine.

I find the gun to be quite accurate and very reliable. It's also easy to strip and clean.

Based on my experience to date I'd definitely recommend the 15-22.
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This rifle is ideal to learn about the AR15 platform before you upgrade to the "223 world". Less expensive than the 223's and there are so many options you need to learn about prior to spending thousands of dollars for ammo, scopes, flashlights etc.

My brother-in-law has trained his son on his M&P15-22 for the past 8 weeks and has well over 5,000 rounds on his rifle. They will now investigate the 223 world with a new AR15 purchase prior to the holidays.

I purchased the M&P15 VTAC version 4 months ago (still tough to find) and I am up to $2,700 of expeditures (rifle, ammo, scope, front grip/flashlight holder, case etc) on this puppy. Could not be happier with this VTAC version although it is top of the line for the M&P15's.

For under $500, you will be satisfied with a .22 version of the AR15.
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I absolutly love my 15-22, i had some issues when i first got it in early September, but S&W repaired it for me ,and its been great, ive got about 400rds through it now using mostly Federal Bulk from walmart, Winchester Superx, and CCI minimags, and its been a blast, its a great gun, super easy to clean, i would highly recommend it, great gun and s&w has great customer service.
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Welcome to the forum, Chris.

Another satisfied 15-22 owner. Although I had the common issue of extractor problems, S&W took care of the repair with shipping both ways at their expense. They included two new magazines at no cost when they returned the rifle to me.

Any product when new can have some issues. Computers, wash machines, automobiles have all had some problems at times, especially when bringing out a new model. S&W is standing behind their product 100% with timely fixes to any breakdowns.

Oh, and the 15-22 doesn't use clips, it uses magazines.
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Welcome to the forum, Chris.

Another satisfied 15-22 owner. Although I had the common issue of extractor problems, S&W took care of the repair with shipping both ways at their expense. They included two new magazines at no cost when they returned the rifle to me.

Any product when new can have some issues. Computers, wash machines, automobiles have all had some problems at times, especially when bringing out a new model. S&W is standing behind their product 100% with timely fixes to any breakdowns.

Oh, and the 15-22 doesn't use clips, it uses magazines.
x2, well said, same here, and welcome Chris.
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Welcome to the forum, here you will find many experienced gun owners to offer help and advice. I bought a new 15-22 a few weeks ago and shot over 500 rounds through it, found that seating the rounds in the magazine (taping it on palm or gently on table) is very important as .22 rounds tend to stovepipe more than larger rounds. I also own an AR in .223 and actually love shooting the 15-22 more. It performs flawlessly, is extremely accurate and S&W customer service is excellent. All things considered an excellent choice and I would not hesitate to recommend this rifle to anyone wanting a .22 caliber.
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I am another happy owner, Put about 400 rounds during my first session from the 500 pack of crappy Thunderbolts I had sitting around to see how the rifle would do with cheap ammo (I wanted to see if I could get it to jam, had to put it through its paces heh). No cleaning during that session other than a couple quick barrel swabs and still no jams even with the dirty ammo. Going to stick with my Yellow Jackets and Mini Mags now that I'm done testing the reliability.
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Thanks for all the advice guys, today I checked out my nearest firearm dealer and discovered they were all sold out and won't have more until November 9th. The guy running the shop said something about his license renewal (or something like that) because I was in his shop back in May or June and he was loaded down with every firearm imaginable. Today though he only had a fraction of them left.

After calling around to a few firearm shops I have discovered that Gander Mountain has at least one left for $499. Tomorrow I will go and check it out, hopefully it won't be sold out by then.

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I've had mine for about a month and love the gun. I've put 750- rounds through it - mostly Federal and CCI Blaxer bulk pack - with one 'jam'. That malfunction was due to the way I loaded the last round in the magazine.

I find the gun to be quite accurate and very reliable. It's also easy to strip and clean.

Based on my experience to date I'd definitely recommend the 15-22.
Thanks for the input Nav. Tell me, how much has your ammo costed you? I know .22 rounds are cheap but I just want to be prepared.

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This rifle is ideal to learn about the AR15 platform before you upgrade to the "223 world". Less expensive than the 223's and there are so many options you need to learn about prior to spending thousands of dollars for ammo, scopes, flashlights etc.

My brother-in-law has trained his son on his M&P15-22 for the past 8 weeks and has well over 5,000 rounds on his rifle. They will now investigate the 223 world with a new AR15 purchase prior to the holidays.

I purchased the M&P15 VTAC version 4 months ago (still tough to find) and I am up to $2,700 of expeditures (rifle, ammo, scope, front grip/flashlight holder, case etc) on this puppy. Could not be happier with this VTAC version although it is top of the line for the M&P15's.

For under $500, you will be satisfied with a .22 version of the AR15.
Yeah I couldn't believe how expensive .223 rounds are. Sure the AR-15 isn't cheap in itself but the recurring cost of buying any reasonable amount of ammo is just crazy. To me it seems like the .223 rounds are nearly $1 per round. Right now I am saving up for a new Camaro next year so it's probably going to be a few years before I can afford my dream .223 AR-15 but I really want one with an ACOG scope, those scopes are sweet.

I am pleased to hear that your brother in law has fired so many rounds through the gun, do you know how many times he cleaned it? Also can you tell me about the VTAC variant? It's probably expensive but I would like to hear how it differs.

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I absolutly love my 15-22, i had some issues when i first got it in early September, but S&W repaired it for me ,and its been great, ive got about 400rds through it now using mostly Federal Bulk from walmart, Winchester Superx, and CCI minimags, and its been a blast, its a great gun, super easy to clean, i would highly recommend it, great gun and s&w has great customer service.
I was reading about the problems you had with your 15-22, I was sorry to hear about them. Based on what you wrote I could tell you were very eager to get your 15-22 back. Overall I am impressed with how S&W and even your firearms dealer handled the problem. I remember you saying S&W gave you an extra magazine for your inconveniences, even your firearm dealer gave you some freebie ammo right? Somewhere in these forums I even heard some component (I believe it was the extractor) disintegrated and fell out of the gun. Some said it could be that S&W got some bad metal, but some were concerned that the failures could be caused by a design flaw. Hopefully not the latter since that would probably take a great deal of time to resolve.

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Welcome to the forum, Chris.

Another satisfied 15-22 owner. Although I had the common issue of extractor problems, S&W took care of the repair with shipping both ways at their expense. They included two new magazines at no cost when they returned the rifle to me. Any product when new can have some issues. Computers, wash machines, automobiles have all had some problems at times, especially when bringing out a new model. S&W is standing behind their product 100% with timely fixes to any breakdowns.

Oh, and the 15-22 doesn't use clips, it uses magazines.
Thanks for the warm welcome Beck.

Like TxShooters story I read yours also. Again I have to say S&W has handled themselves very well with these failures. I am now confident that if I get a lemon it will be repaired and returned to me at no cost, but like TxShooter I would be hanging on the edge of my seat waiting to get my rifle back. Everyone seems to have lots of fun shooting this rifle. So how has your 15-22 treated you since you got it back? Oh thanks for the correction, I was aware that this rifle uses a magazine but I was typing fast and made a bit of an error. Corrected now.

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x2, well said, same here, and welcome Chris.
Thanks TxShooter.

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Welcome to the forum, here you will find many experienced gun owners to offer help and advice. I bought a new 15-22 a few weeks ago and shot over 500 rounds through it, found that seating the rounds in the magazine (taping it on palm or gently on table) is very important as .22 rounds tend to stovepipe more than larger rounds. I also own an AR in .223 and actually love shooting the 15-22 more. It performs flawlessly, is extremely accurate and S&W customer service is excellent. All things considered an excellent choice and I would not hesitate to recommend this rifle to anyone wanting a .22 caliber.
Thanks chessail. I always seen video's of people operating magazine fed weapons and never understood why they tapped the magazine before loading the weapon. I am happy to hear your 15-22 is working well. In the coming days (If I can find a 15-22) I will need to tap some of that knowledge, first thing I want to do when I get this rifle is clean the thing. From what I heard some of these rifles have gunk in the internal workings. I never stripped a weapon and cleaned it so I am going to need some detailed instructions, preferably with pictures.

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I am another happy owner, Put about 400 rounds during my first session from the 500 pack of crappy Thunderbolts I had sitting around to see how the rifle would do with cheap ammo (I wanted to see if I could get it to jam, had to put it through its paces heh). No cleaning during that session other than a couple quick barrel swabs and still no jams even with the dirty ammo. Going to stick with my Yellow Jackets and Mini Mags now that I'm done testing the reliability.
Thats good to hear Topher. It looks like you got one of the good 15-22's. From the beginning I plan on feeding this rifle good ammo, I want to avoid any headaches. I will keep in mind the brands you mentioned.

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Arrow My GSG5 22 has the same problems as noted.

My GSG5 has the same problems as noted by other posters. In researching the S&W and the COLT, it became obvious that this is a common problem among this genre. I am planning to buy a S&W because I think it to be a superior product. No, I do not work for S&W.
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My GSG5 has the same problems as noted by other posters. In researching the S&W and the COLT, it became obvious that this is a common problem among this genre. I am planning to buy a S&W because I think it to be a superior product. No, I do not work for S&W.
I wonder why?
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Txshooter2k9-I was reading about the problems you had with your 15-22, I was sorry to hear about them. Based on what you wrote I could tell you were very eager to get your 15-22 back. Overall I am impressed with how S&W and even your firearms dealer handled the problem. I remember you saying S&W gave you an extra magazine for your inconveniences, even your firearm dealer gave you some freebie ammo right? Somewhere in these forums I even heard some component (I believe it was the extractor) disintegrated and fell out of the gun. Some said it could be that S&W got some bad metal, but some were concerned that the failures could be caused by a design flaw. Hopefully not the latter since that would probably take a great deal of time to resolve.
O yes, i was VERY eager to get my new gun back!!!!! Took about a month to get it back, thats including week transit time back and fourth. They gave me a extra magazine also. Gun has been great since its it return, i just had nothing but jamming issues when i first got it. Had it 4 days before sending it back. And Yes, the Manager at Academy, where i got my 15-22, was pretty aweosme through the whole ordeal. When i picked up my 15-22 he have me 2 100rd boxes of Winchester SuperX .22lr ammo, and a hard plastic case for it, ammo was about 13, and case was worth 20. So it worked out well, and im very happy. Love to shot this gun. I put a new scope on it week or so ago, and its even better.
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Thanks for the warm welcome Beck.

Like TxShooters story I read yours also. Again I have to say S&W has handled themselves very well with these failures. I am now confident that if I get a lemon it will be repaired and returned to me at no cost, but like TxShooter I would be hanging on the edge of my seat waiting to get my rifle back. Everyone seems to have lots of fun shooting this rifle. So how has your 15-22 treated you since you got it back? Oh thanks for the correction, I was aware that this rifle uses a magazine but I was typing fast and made a bit of an error. Corrected now.
Narry a problem the one time I have had it out.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-w...-back-s-w.html

Federal 550 Bulk at Walmart runs ~$15.50 box in my area. Federal 100 box .223 runs ~$40.00. .03 per .22 vs. .40 per 223

Those new Camaro's are sweet. Saving for an SS?

Here is what I would like to have

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O yes, i was VERY eager to get my new gun back!!!!! Took about a month to get it back, thats including week transit time back and fourth. They gave me a extra magazine also. Gun has been great since its it return, i just had nothing but jamming issues when i first got it. Had it 4 days before sending it back. And Yes, the Manager at Academy, where i got my 15-22, was pretty aweosme through the whole ordeal. When i picked up my 15-22 he have me 2 100rd boxes of Winchester SuperX .22lr ammo, and a hard plastic case for it, ammo was about 13, and case was worth 20. So it worked out well, and im very happy. Love to shot this gun. I put a new scope on it week or so ago, and its even better.
Very impressive, glad it all worked out in the end for you Shooter.

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Narry a problem the one time I have had it out.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-w...-back-s-w.html

Federal 550 Bulk at Walmart runs ~$15.50 box in my area. Federal 100 box .223 runs ~$40.00. .03 per .22 vs. .40 per 223
Wow the extractor was just missing!

The .22LR ammo is cheap, I think I will be spending a lot of time at our local shooting range.
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Wow the extractor was just missing!

The .22LR ammo is cheap, I think I will be spending a lot of time at our local shooting range.
Well, the extractor was there when I started shooting, it just got somehow separated from the bolt with all the stovepipes (FTE) I was having at the time.
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i love the new Camaros, my sisters neighbor just got a blue SS camaro, very niiiiice. My brotherinlaw went back in time this week, he bought a 68' Camaro SS, its prettty nice.
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Well, the extractor was there when I started shooting, it just got somehow separated from the bolt with all the stovepipes (FTE) I was having at the time.
Yeah but still ouch.

I guess the failure was partially due to bad ammo?

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Oh yeah fell in love with it when I saw the concept in 2006. Right now I am saving every penny so I can make a down payment in Summer 2010 on a Camaro SS2 in Rally Yellow with Black Rally Stripes. This is the only thing I am buying myself until then, I figure with Birthday and Christmas money I am getting this rifle for free.
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Yeah but still ouch.

I guess the failure was partially due to bad ammo?
Ammo was ok. Just wasn't ejecting as it was supposed to do. The empty casings were getting jammed up in the bolt. I think one of the casings hit the extractor and broke it or knocked it out of the bolt.
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Yeah but still ouch.

I guess the failure was partially due to bad ammo?



Oh yeah fell in love with it when I saw the concept in 2006. Right now I am saving every penny so I can make a down payment in Summer 2010 on a Camaro SS2 in Rally Yellow with Black Rally Stripes. This is the only thing I am buying myself until then, I figure with Birthday and Christmas money I am getting this rifle for free.
awesome, the Rally Yellow with the black stripes is my favorite on the new Camaros!!!
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Hey all, I'm a newbie and I just picked up my MP 15-22 a week ago. I'm a bit worried that I've run into the same jamming problems that I've been reading about. I haven't been having jams with the spent casings though, my jams have been happening where the next round will feed pointed straight up and the casing will be stuck in the mag. The round gets bent and looks pretty dangerous. This has only happened a few times out of 250 shots so far. I cleared the jam, tossed the bad round and got through 20 or so more shots before it happened again. I'm using a box of 500 federal ammo.

I cleaned and examined everything and nothing is broken that I can tell. We will see how the next 250 shots go tomorrow at the range. I'll have to take a picture if another round gets caught in the mag, hopefully it won't happen again. If I do have more problems, I'm glad S&W has been taking care of their customers! I'm happy with my purchase so far, had great fun with the 245~ rounds that shot just fine.
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Hello, my name is Chris and I am interested in the S&W MP 15-22. I've wanted to get into target shooting for awhile now. Originally I wanted to get an AR-15 (The kind that fires .223) for my first weapon but I thought to myself that might be too ambitious for a first weapon. So for the past few months I weighed my options. Originally I just planned on buying a Ruger 10/22, learn to shoot with this rifle, and eventually get a full blown AR-15. Then someone recommended I get an AR-15 converted to fire .22 LR, sounded like a great idea but I never owned a firearm before and lack the knowledge to make the conversion myself. Not to mention the price, which was more than I wanted to pay for my first rifle.

More recently I have seen dedicated .22 LR made to match the operation and feel of the AR-15, to me this option is very intriguing. The Ruger SR-22 was the first .22 I discovered. However I didn't like that it didn't come with iron sights, and uses a rotary clip instead of a magazine. So I kept on researching and discovered the M&P 15-22. On paper it seemed perfect: Cost under $500, has iron sights standard, has a 25 round magazine standard, simulates the controls/feel of a fully blown AR-15, and it has plenty of places to mount optics, scopes, etc.

So I just wanted to see how the owners of the MP 15-22 feel about this firearm. I have been reading reviews (Both here and the rest of the internet) on the M&P 15-22 and had some mixed findings. Most seem to love the rifle, some though have had problems. I don't know if these problems are early models, current models, or what. My other concern is loading the clip, it seems if you don't do it in a certain manor it might cause the weapon to jam/fail. The final concern I have is the ammo itself, from what I have read if you don't use certain brands (cci minimags or Federal Bulk) the spent casings don't extract properly.

So please feel free to share your experiences/knowledge on this weapon. I don't want to drop $400+ and end up with a dud. Please note I am new to this hobby and only fired a few pistols/rifles so far so I would prefer you keep everything in laymen terms. Thank you.

You mentioned the Ruger. The Ruger is an excellent firearm and has been around for many years. You'll likely never regret owning the Ruger.

In my opinion, the S&W is an excellent toy for accessory rail gadget-heads like myself who like to run thru a few hundred rounds in an afternoon at the range. As a toy, the various issues from magazine problems to feed ramps cracking off of the barrell can be viewed as simple annoyances that S&W will remedy. As a weapon... forget about it. A weapon must go bang everytime.

I paid 439 for the S&W. I have not had so many 'annoyances' as others have suffered, but I would not be surprised if I do as time and rounds go by-- about 1500 so far.

So yes, I would say that the S&W is a good buy for what I use it for.... pound for pound and round for round, it's the most fun I have had with a firearm (uh... I meant toy)
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Hey all, I'm a newbie and I just picked up my MP 15-22 a week ago. I'm a bit worried that I've run into the same jamming problems that I've been reading about. I haven't been having jams with the spent casings though, my jams have been happening where the next round will feed pointed straight up and the casing will be stuck in the mag. The round gets bent and looks pretty dangerous. This has only happened a few times out of 250 shots so far. I cleared the jam, tossed the bad round and got through 20 or so more shots before it happened again. I'm using a box of 500 federal ammo.

I cleaned and examined everything and nothing is broken that I can tell. We will see how the next 250 shots go tomorrow at the range. I'll have to take a picture if another round gets caught in the mag, hopefully it won't happen again. If I do have more problems, I'm glad S&W has been taking care of their customers! I'm happy with my purchase so far, had great fun with the 245~ rounds that shot just fine.
What I have noticed is that the magazine lips are a bit snug and do not always allow the bullet to fully lift into position for feeding. As I continued to use the magazine, the problem faded away as long as I used Federal Vaule Pack. Remington Golden Bullet still hang without fully lifting up. Or least they used to... I didn't bother to try Rem Gold the last two trips to the range. Since the rifle seems to like Federal, I quit experimenting.

If the magazine problem did not go away, I was going to take off some material from the magazine lips with a Dremmel and polishing bit. I may still do so if I get bored this weekend.
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Hey all, I'm a newbie and I just picked up my MP 15-22 a week ago. I'm a bit worried that I've run into the same jamming problems that I've been reading about. I haven't been having jams with the spent casings though, my jams have been happening where the next round will feed pointed straight up and the casing will be stuck in the mag. The round gets bent and looks pretty dangerous. This has only happened a few times out of 250 shots so far. I cleared the jam, tossed the bad round and got through 20 or so more shots before it happened again. I'm using a box of 500 federal ammo.

I cleaned and examined everything and nothing is broken that I can tell. We will see how the next 250 shots go tomorrow at the range. I'll have to take a picture if another round gets caught in the mag, hopefully it won't happen again. If I do have more problems, I'm glad S&W has been taking care of their customers! I'm happy with my purchase so far, had great fun with the 245~ rounds that shot just fine.
I have experienced the same issue in the past with my 15-22. As I have shot the gun more, I am more careful of how I load the rounds in the magazine. Load one at a time, and tap the butt end of the magazine on the heel of my other hand, my knee, or the shooting bench at the range. Anything to make sure the rounds are all stacked in the mag correctly. Following this procedure, the last time I was at the range I ran 300 rounds of Federal Bulk with not one problem.
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Talking So I am a MP 15-22 owner.

So this morning I took a trip to Gander Mountain in the hopes of finding a MP 15-22. Well luck shined on me and they had at least one left. While I was there I noticed on the rack they had a bunch of AR-15 style .22LR's. After the MP 15-22 they had what looked like some real AR-15's converted over to fire .22LR. The cheapest I believe was $630. I got to hold the MP 15-22 for the first time, I was impressed how realistic this gun is in comparison to the .223 AR-15, it even had some decent weight to it.

I ended up buying it. They did a background check right their in the store while I waited. I filled out the paperwork, the lady explained the basic operation of the weapon, she help me find the ammo/cleaning kit/carrying case/ear muffs/safety glasses. The MP 15-22 costed me $499+ tax which came out to about $530. With all the accessories/ammo the grand total came out to $710. My father paid for all the accessories, and I had about $200 in birthday money so in the end I only paid $330. By Christmas time I will have re-coped all the money spent today.

So I got it home and starting reading the instructions, I read through all the basic safety instructions. Then I handled the gun. Adjusted the stock, checked the sights, etc. I wanted to see how the trigger felt so after check the chamber for rounds (Even though I didn't load the rifle) I set the safety to fire and pulled the trigger. I did this 3-4 times. Now I am smacking myself on the head for doing this because when I read deeper into the instruction booklet they recommended that the weapon should never be dry fired.

After this I continued to read deeper into the instructions, I wanted to load the magazine and give the rifle a cleaning. I believe I loaded the magazine correctly but I will upload some pictures later so you guys can have a look. The last thing I did was the cleaning. I took out the extractor and charging handle. Then via the bore I swept the barrel with the hard bristle brush, and I got a puff of dirt out of the rifle. I proceeded to clean the barrel with the solvent. I gave it two sweeps through the barrel with two different swabs. After that I cleaned the extractor with the solvent. I dried all the components afterwards. Before putting everything back together I lubricated all the internal metal components with the lubricant. Then I stored the rifle.

Hopefully in a few days I will be able to take this rifle to the range and fire it. I am hoping I can get a day off from work because I know someone who is a bit of a firearm expert and he well be free during one of the week days to instruct me. Hopefully the gun functions properly, and I loaded/cleaned the gun properly.

Thats about it, when I get a chance I will try and upload some pictures. Thanks for all the advice you guys have shared with me so far.

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Ammo was ok. Just wasn't ejecting as it was supposed to do. The empty casings were getting jammed up in the bolt. I think one of the casings hit the extractor and broke it or knocked it out of the bolt.
I didn't think the casings were hard enough to break the extractor.

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oyeah, the yellow is very eye catching, on the new camaros, look the best and meanest in it imo.
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Now that AR-15 is sweet, but it looks expensive to operate.

I didn't think the casings were hard enough to break the extractor.
Check out that Utube video again. That is a Spikes ST22 dedicated upper on an AR lower. Full automatic, 50 rounds cheap .22 cal. Almost as much fun as a lap dance

I think with the bolt slamming forward while a spent casing is still in the gun there might be enough force to break off the extractor. Just my thought on this.
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oyeah, the yellow is very eye catching, on the new camaros, look the best and meanest in it imo.
The wait is killing me.

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Check out that Utube video again. That is a Spikes ST22 dedicated upper on an AR lower. Full automatic, 50 rounds cheap .22 cal. Almost as much fun as a lap dance

I think with the bolt slamming forward while a spent casing is still in the gun there might be enough force to break off the extractor. Just my thought on this.
Oh it's .22 I thought that was .223. I don't know about that lap dance, I might prefer that more.

I held the extractor bolt in my hand while cleaning it, it seems like a solid piece of metal. I believe you but it's hard to believe a little piece of brass/lead/copper can break that thick piece of metal.
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I believe you but it's hard to believe a little piece of brass/lead/copper can break that thick piece of metal.
In general, extractor failures are not all that uncommon. Keep in mind we're discussing a rifle in which owners are returning home from the range with the feed ramp in thier pocket. Now THAT is rare for any firearm under any circumstance.

Poorly made parts don't require much force to fail.
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In general, extractor failures are not all that uncommon. Keep in mind we're discussing a rifle in which owners are returning home from the range with the feed ramp in thier pocket. Now THAT is rare for any firearm under any circumstance.

Poorly made parts don't require much force to fail.
I wonder if the failures are due to bad metal or bad design? Hopefully when I go to the range this week I won't be one of the poor souls who comes home with the feed ramp in their pocket.
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I have experienced the same issue in the past with my 15-22. As I have shot the gun more, I am more careful of how I load the rounds in the magazine. Load one at a time, and tap the butt end of the magazine on the heel of my other hand, my knee, or the shooting bench at the range. Anything to make sure the rounds are all stacked in the mag correctly. Following this procedure, the last time I was at the range I ran 300 rounds of Federal Bulk with not one problem.
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Well, after my range fun today I ran through about 300 more rounds and towards the last 50 or so I had that nasty jam again and had to pry the casing out of the magazine. Check out this pic. It's hard to tell but the round is a little bent.

I had two problems this trip, the other was just a simple failure to feed, which was quick and easy to clear. I'm thinking that my problem is just like what you said, a problem with the magazine. I did give each load a good bump on the bench to get all the rounds lined up and ready. I think that helped reduce the number of problems down to only the two.

Think I should get in contact with customer support? Is it dangerous to have a round catch like that?
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Well, after my range fun today I ran through about 300 more rounds and towards the last 50 or so I had that nasty jam again and had to pry the casing out of the magazine. Check out this pic. It's hard to tell but the round is a little bent.

I had two problems this trip, the other was just a simple failure to feed, which was quick and easy to clear. I'm thinking that my problem is just like what you said, a problem with the magazine. I did give each load a good bump on the bench to get all the rounds lined up and ready. I think that helped reduce the number of problems down to only the two.

Think I should get in contact with customer support? Is it dangerous to have a round catch like that?
I have had that exact problem before. Took a pair of pliars to get the round out of the magazine. Since I have several magazines, I put a piece of masking tape on the end of the mag to let me know I have had a past isssue with that mag. I didn't think it was a big enough issue to contact S&W support about, but I guess you could give them a call.

.22 shooting causes a lot of dirt buildup. It probably does not take a whole lot of fouling to possibly cause something like this to occur. The magazines also get dirty. And we are dealing with some ammo types that cost less than ~.01 each to manufacture. Hard to keep quality control at 100% with such high speed production.

As far as dangerous, I don't know. The rifle can't fire when this isssue occurs. I do wear safety shooting glasses though, at the range.
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Oh it's .22 I thought that was .223. I don't know about that lap dance, I might prefer that more.

I held the extractor bolt in my hand while cleaning it, it seems like a solid piece of metal. I believe you but it's hard to believe a little piece of brass/lead/copper can break that thick piece of metal.
It is not the bolt that breaks. It is the extractor on the end of the bolt that breaks.
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I wonder if the failures are due to bad metal or bad design? Hopefully when I go to the range this week I won't be one of the poor souls who comes home with the feed ramp in their pocket.
I duknow... but that's a good question for S&W.

I asked it last week:

Q: "I am reading on S&W Forums about the feed ramp on this rifle actually breaking off. What can you tell me about this issue?"

A: "it has not been an issue at this point
i recommend you send it in for exam
call for shipping info 800-331-0852 ext 2905"

The above A: was from Mark Rossini at S&W.
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You mentioned the Ruger. The Ruger is an excellent firearm and has been around for many years. You'll likely never regret owning the Ruger.

In my opinion, the S&W is an excellent toy for accessory rail gadget-heads like myself who like to run thru a few hundred rounds in an afternoon at the range. As a toy, the various issues from magazine problems to feed ramps cracking off of the barrell can be viewed as simple annoyances that S&W will remedy. As a weapon... forget about it. A weapon must go bang everytime.

I paid 439 for the S&W. I have not had so many 'annoyances' as others have suffered, but I would not be surprised if I do as time and rounds go by-- about 1500 so far.

So yes, I would say that the S&W is a good buy for what I use it for.... pound for pound and round for round, it's the most fun I have had with a firearm (uh... I meant toy)
Well I have nothing against the Ruger, when I was planning on getting my first rifle I originally wanted the Ruger 10/22. However in my mind the Ruger SR-22 (While probably a good firearm) isn't worth $625. From what I heard the SR-22 is just a Ruger 10/22 with some of the looks of an AR-15. In short it doesn't mirror the AR-15's controls as well as the MP 15-22, and it doesn't even come with standard iron sights or the 25 round magazine for the additional $125. Would I buy Ruger products? Sure I would. Would I buy the SR-22? No, not with better weapons like the M&P 15.

I think you're going a little far by say the M&P 15-22 is a toy. Having held the 15-22 and a real AR-15 this thing simulates the real thing well. The failures of some of the 15-22's are regrettable, but after seeing the lengths S&W went to fix the problem I am sure in time these issues will be resolved.

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It is not the bolt that breaks. It is the extractor on the end of the bolt that breaks.
Oh my bad.

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I duknow... but that's a good question for S&W.

I asked it last week:

Q: "I am reading on S&W Forums about the feed ramp on this rifle actually breaking off. What can you tell me about this issue?"

A: "it has not been an issue at this point
i recommend you send it in for exam
call for shipping info 800-331-0852 ext 2905"

The above A: was from Mark Rossini at S&W.
Interesting, you would think by this point they would have more information on the topic.

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Guys I was just wondering does this clip look like it's loaded properly?

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Well I have nothing against the Ruger, when I was planning on getting my first rifle I originally wanted the Ruger 10/22. However in my mind the Ruger SR-22 (While probably a good firearm) isn't worth $625. From what I heard the SR-22 is just a Ruger 10/22 with some of the looks of an AR-15. In short it doesn't mirror the AR-15's controls as well as the MP 15-22, and it doesn't even come with standard iron sights or the 25 round magazine for the additional $125. Would I buy Ruger products? Sure I would. Would I buy the SR-22? No, not with better weapons like the M&P 15.

I think you're going a little far by say the M&P 15-22 is a toy. Having held the 15-22 and a real AR-15 this thing simulates the real thing well. The failures of some of the 15-22's are regrettable, but after seeing the lengths S&W went to fix the problem I am sure in time these issues will be resolved.
You're right, the SR-22 is a 10-22 action. And yes, the SR-22 does not include a magazine like the 15-22. As a functioning 'weapon' that would put the Ruger at 2-0.

In any event, calling the 15-22 a "toy" was not meant as a negative. It is simply what I purchased it for- entertainment. I agree, "worth" is in the eye of the beholder. If someone asked what is the 15-22 worth to me as a weapon, I would say it is near worthless. As for entertainment, I would say near priceless...

Better to stay focused on the 15-22. I remember reading about $25 fines for wandering. (grin)
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Guys I was just wondering does this clip look like it's loaded properly?

It is NOT a clip, it is a magazine.

Yes, it looks like it is loaded correctly.
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It is NOT a clip, it is a magazine.

Yes, it looks like it is loaded correctly.
Sorry, sorry. I don't know why I keep calling it a clip.

I just keep looking at the magazine and I think the ammo looks like it's not sitting in it right.

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You're right, the SR-22 is a 10-22 action. And yes, the SR-22 does not include a magazine like the 15-22. As a functioning 'weapon' that would put the Ruger at 2-0.

In any event, calling the 15-22 a "toy" was not meant as a negative. It is simply what I purchased it for- entertainment. I agree, "worth" is in the eye of the beholder. If someone asked what is the 15-22 worth to me as a weapon, I would say it is near worthless. As for entertainment, I would say near priceless...

Better to stay focused on the 15-22. I remember reading about $25 fines for wandering. (grin)
I understand what you mean, in my mind neither is a weapon since they are both .22LR. Sure a .22 can kill someone but it's not nearly as effective as say the .223 or higher calibers. I eventually plan on buying a pistol, that would be used as a defensive weapon.

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I just love to Shoot my 15-22, just for fun. Its not for protection, just for enjoyment. Heres what i use for protection:Taurus 24/7 Pro DS 9mm/17rd clip with Viridian green laser
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I just love to Shoot my 15-22, just for fun. Its not for protection, just for enjoyment. Heres what i use for protection:Taurus 24/7 Pro DS 9mm/17rd clip with Viridian green laser
In a pinch though the 15-22 can stop an attacker. Right now I got my clip loaded with Federal Bulk Stinger's, I bet if I emptied 5-10 rounds into an attacker he/she wouldn't feel so hot.

For personal protection I really want to get an M1911 .45, I hear a lot of good things about Kimber. Or the S&W MP Pistol chambered in S&W .40.

Edit: Had a question about loading the gun. When I put a loaded magazine into the rifle do I need to pull the charging handle afterwards or is the gun ready to fire at this point?

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i got my Taurus at the end of November last year, been a great pistol, no problems at all. Also Taurus has a lifetme warranty. So thats great too. I started to get it in .40, but desided to get the 9mm, because it was cheaper to shoot, and heck its got a 17rd clip+1 in the chamber, if i cant kill a badguy with that many rounds, a .40 or .45 wouldnt do me anygood, lol.

Also, yeah, if you shoot a BG with the several .22's im sure they drop and be hurting pretty good.
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i got my Taurus at the end of November last year, been a great pistol, no problems at all. Also Taurus has a lifetme warranty. So thats great too. I started to get it in .40, but desided to get the 9mm, because it was cheaper to shoot, and heck its got a 17rd clip+1 in the chamber, if i cant kill a badguy with that many rounds, a .40 or .45 wouldnt do me anygood, lol.

Also, yeah, if you shoot a BG with the several .22's im sure they drop and be hurting pretty good.
Thats true, but I was thinking if you are good with the gun it would take maybe one or two .40 rounds to drop someone. While it might take a few more 9mm to stop a really determined attacker.
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Thats true, but I was thinking if you are good with the gun it would take maybe one or two .40 rounds to drop someone. While it might take a few more 9mm to stop a really determined attacker.
Yeah, thats very true, any of em will kill a BG, but the extra stopping power sure wouldnt hurt. Just preference i suppose.
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Angry Bad News Already!!

So I already got some bad news, and I didn't even fire the rifle yet. I actually learned at all public ranges in the state of Pennsylvania you can only fire 3 rounds at a time. Meaning I can have no more than 3 rounds in the magazine at once. Now this stupid rule has ruined any enjoyment I can have with this rifle. I never planned on spraying with the rifle but any fun I can have using this rifle will be ruined by constantly having to reload the clip.

So now what options do I have? Where can I fire this rifle without any stupid restrictions? I can't fire this rifle on my land because I live in a private community and they won't allow that. I guess private ranges work for me but how much do they cost and do I have to be a member? This really sucks now I am lost to what I can do.

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I can understand that.
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So I already got some bad news, and I didn't even fire the rifle yet. I actually learned at all public ranges in the state of Pennsylvania you can only fire 3 rounds at a time. Meaning I can have no more than 3 rounds in the magazine at once. Now this stupid rule has ruined any enjoyment I can have with this rifle. I never planned on spraying with the rifle but any fun I can have using this rifle will be ruined by constantly having to reload the clip.

So now what options do I have? Where can I fire this rifle without any stupid restrictions? I can't fire this rifle on my land because I live in a private community and they won't allow that. I guess private ranges work for me but how much do they cost and do I have to be a member? This really sucks now I am lost to what I can do.



I can understand that.
You sure you did not misunderstand the state rules? My state ranges only allow a two round burst, but doesn't limit rounds in magazines. (State already does that).

Two round burst is two shots fired as fast as you can pull the trigger. Otherwise it is one shot at a time, but the magazine is full of ammo. You are just not allowed to shoot as fast as you can.

PA has a lot of private gun clubs. You may have to join one to have more freedom in your shooting.

Edit: I just looked up your state range rules. You are correct you can only have three rounds in a rifle. That totally blows.

On the other hand, your state ranges are open a lot longer per day than ours, and also open seven days a week. Our ranges are only Wed thru Sunday. Guess which days have had the best weather recently. Answer, Mon & Tues.

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You sure you did not misunderstand the state rules? My state ranges only allow a two round burst, but doesn't limit rounds in magazines. (State already does that).

Two round burst is two shots fired as fast as you can pull the trigger. Otherwise it is one shot at a time, but the magazine is full of ammo. You are just not allowed to shoot as fast as you can.

PA has a lot of private gun clubs. You may have to join one to have more freedom in your shooting.
Well I didn't call I was at work, my father called on my behalf. However the person I know said something about this rule and my father looked into it. I am heading to the range on Friday and I will see what the sign says, hopefully it was just a misunderstanding. I wouldn't mind joining a private gun club but I am worried they will charge a ridiculous fee to be a member.
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Well I didn't call I was at work, my father called on my behalf. However the person I know said something about this rule and my father looked into it. I am heading to the range on Friday and I will see what the sign says, hopefully it was just a misunderstanding. I wouldn't mind joining a private gun club but I am worried they will charge a ridiculous fee to be a member.
I got my info from Google. I just typed in PA state shooting ranges and got some info. Maybe check it out before Fri.
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I got my info from Google. I just typed in PA state shooting ranges and got some info. Maybe check it out before Fri.
Wow I think I just bought a $500 paper weight:

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Users should also practice good shooting etiquette. The regulation, for example, that limits a shooter to having no more than three rounds in a rifle (six in a handgun) may not seem to make much sense.
Pennsylvania Game Commission - State Wildlife Management Agency: Public Shooting Ranges

Great, now what?
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