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Old 11-29-2009, 11:23 AM
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The M&P15-22 is sensitive to loading the magazine and will have stoppages if not loaded correctly. The owners manual specifies pulling the magazine follower down just enough to push one round into the magazine and up against the back wall of the magazine. Tedious, but it's always faster to unload magazines downrange than load them!

The windows on the magazines will show incorrectly loaded cartridges.

Note the even alternating cartridges in the magazine on the LEFT. This is the correct loading. Only visible for seven of the first ten rounds. Check often. Note the displaced cartridges on the right.



In the photo below look at the 4th and 5th cartridges (visible) in the magazine on the RIGHT. Just above the first ridge in the magazine. These are the same two as in the first photo, just pushed a little deeper in the magazine so they show better. Note the even alternating cartridges on the left, the same magazine in the earlier photo.



Attention to magazine loading will greatly assure reliable semi-automatic feeding in this lil' carbine.

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I would venture to say that the staggering of the rounds has little or no effect on the reliability of feeding.

I find that if I do not take some care in getting the rim of the rounds BEHIND the little track in the mag it will certainly fail. Yes there is a small track in there. I think it's a guide.

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Old 11-29-2009, 12:42 PM
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Test fire the magazines loaded like the one on the right yourself. Causes stoppages on mine.

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I would venture to say that the staggering of the rounds has little or no effect on the reliability of feeding.

I find that if I do not take some care in getting the rim of the rounds BEHIND the little track in the mag it will certainly fail. Yes there is a small track in there. I think it's a guide.

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Test fire the magazines loaded like the one on the right yourself. Causes stoppages on mine.

-- Chuck
It causes some mulfunctions, not all, but many times.

Mostly the rounds stuck in the mag and FTF.

This morning, 7 mags of CCI standard velocity and a full mag of Federal Lightning (walmart bulk). Not a hickup.
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YOU HAVE TO STAGER THE SHELLS!!!!!

In my 15-22 if the rounds are not stagered it will have a failure. Since my gun has come back from its fedex ride this has been its only problem.

If the shells are not loaded properly it will have a FTL, the shell will be sticking straight up and stuck in the front part of the mag. It is stuck in there tight and once removed everything is fine. Not a good thing but this happened 3 times out of about 400 rounds yesterday.

Hopefully SW will improve there mags soon.
Still 3 out of 400 failures in any 22 is not bad IMO.
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I agree with you Chuck. Thanks for taking the time to photograph the mags. I was just showing my father today how the rounds need to be staggered when looking through the rear window of the mag. I have only had one hiccup with my rifle and it happened a few weeks ago. Stovepipe with the round sticking staight up out of the mag as reported by others. I had loaded that mag without paying much attention so I believe that caused the issue. I purposely tried to load a few rounds incorrectly today by pulling the follower down too far. I got the same result as your mag photo on the right. I did not try to fire the mag loaded that way...(thought about it but didn't want to cause problems with a rifle that has been stellar so far).
Today I put another 250 rds through it varying the fire from single, to rapid fire, to several shot bursts. Worked flawlessly once again. Today I tried some new ammo...the Winchester 555 pack from Dick's Sporting Goods. They worked great..no issues. So far I have ran CCI's, Federal Bulk Pack, and the Winchesters. I have managed to and probably will continue to shun the Remington.
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Old 11-30-2009, 08:47 PM
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I picked up a Winchester 555 pack from Dicks on Saturday. $7.49 in their "second box 1/2 pricing." Glad to know they work!

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Old 12-07-2009, 10:19 AM
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Wanted to add onto this thread just to keep some of the information together.

During a range "ammo check" session yesterday I had a lot of difficulty loading Federal 40gr Target ammunition into the magazine and getting the rounds to line up as shown above. These rounds are significantly longer than some of the others I've been using and seemed to hang up on the magazine when loading it. Happy to say they all shot very well. Just took a lot of attention to load them.

Here's the four I played with on Sunday. Loss of the extractor stopped the testing right after the first magazine of these Federal 40g.

1. Federal Target 40gr Standard Velocity. Round nose. 0.981" Overall Length.

2. Federal "525" 36gr High Velocity (1260fps on box). Hollow point. 0.973" OAL.

3. Winchester "333" (head stamped Super X) 36gr HV (1280) HP. 0.966"

4. CCI MiniMag 36gr HV (1260) HP. 0.956"

Shorter OAL cartridges loaded much easier than longer.

-- Chuck
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Here's a shot of the Federal 40gr Target vs a 36gr HP Winchester Super X cartridge. Just a little extra length on the 40gr. The Federal shoots well, but takes more care in magazine loading.



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I shot a 333 box of Winchester Super X yesterday and had a few stick straight up in the mag. It was always the first round if I loaded the mag to full capacity of 25. When I loaded the mag with less than 25 then there was no malfunctions.

Has anyone tried using silicone spray on the inside of the mag ? Once it drys it will still leave a slick surface. Just a thought I was pondering.

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I gave my rifle to a shooting buddy and watched him toss in rounds like Rosanne Arnold popping Jelly Beans into her pie hole. No function problems at all.

Other than pulling far down on the Ambidextrous Load-Assist Button ( ) and dropping a round totally disoriented into the mag, I'm becoming less convinced that it matters a hill of beans how careful one loads the mag.

Just my anecdotal observations.....
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Here's a shot of the Federal 40gr Target vs a 36gr HP Winchester Super X cartridge. Just a little extra length on the 40gr. The Federal shoots well, but takes more care in magazine loading.



-- Chuck
Is that Bill Klinton's 36gr HP Winchester Super X cartridge?

Thanks for posting this info.
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Does anybody want a loader for their mags? I think I can source a commercial supplier if there is enough interest. How do you want it to work? Other than better than your tired fingers. A little future user input can go a long way to getting the right features built in.
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Does anybody want a loader for their mags? I think I can source a commercial supplier if there is enough interest. How do you want it to work? Other than better than your tired fingers. A little future user input can go a long way to getting the right features built in.
I would love one, however can't tell you how it should work cause i never used one
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Does anybody want a loader for their mags? I think I can source a commercial supplier if there is enough interest. How do you want it to work? Other than better than your tired fingers. A little future user input can go a long way to getting the right features built in.
Yes I would. I have had no feeling in my thumb tips since October 2009.

My only suggestion is that the designers maintain the flexibility of the ALAB feature on the 15-22 mag.
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You had me thinking on that acronym. I don't think you will even need to use the ALAB with the propper loader.
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15-22 maniac...what's the acronym stand for
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Ambidextrous Load Assist Button. It's a silly phrase from S&W that some engineer had to have some say about the wording. It's ambidextrous, because you can use either hand. But you really use a thumb and finger of one hand, so it's more of a Single Handed Load Assist Follower Pull Down Pin. SHLAFPDP
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Ambidextrous Load Assist Button. It's a silly phrase from S&W that some engineer had to have some say about the wording. It's ambidextrous, because you can use either hand. But you really use a thumb and finger of one hand, so it's more of a Single Handed Load Assist Follower Pull Down Pin. SHLAFPDP
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there is a video on utube of a speed loader for the ruger mkII pistols which have the alab setup and they work well.. something to that effect would be nice just clip it on like its goin into the gun pull the alabs down and its loaded... just my .02
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there is a video on utube of a speed loader for the ruger mkII pistols which have the alab setup and they work well.. something to that effect would be nice just clip it on like its goin into the gun pull the alabs down and its loaded... just my .02
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YouTube - The Ultimate Cliploader
it's pretty cool. i'm getting my first 22/45 later this month and that might be a good investment.

the only problem is see is that it's called a CLIPloader. IT'S NOT A CLIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ambidextrous Load Assist Button. It's a silly phrase from S&W that some engineer had to have some say about the wording. It's ambidextrous, because you can use either hand. But you really use a thumb and finger of one hand, so it's more of a Single Handed Load Assist Follower Pull Down Pin. SHLAFPDP
Today I noticed my local gun store (Republic of Maryland) had a M&P 15-22 for sale. The magazine looked like a 25 rounder but had a blue inner and no Ambidextrious Load Assist Buttons. They said it was only a 10 round Magazine. So I guess the complient versions are harder to load without the buttons?
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Old 01-02-2010, 04:33 PM
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should be easier to load a 10 round, the spring is shorter, and needs less tension across a long distance. Just guessing though.
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I fired mine today. Loaded the mag as per the manual. Shoot 100 rds (CCI). No problem and lot of fun to shoot. All the rounds were in the red at 50 yds using a five man target and iron sights. I put on on SureGlo red dot and used it with the standard sight in place. I think I like the iron sights better.

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I have a full size 10 rd mag it has the blue follower and no load assist button it a pain after the first 4-5 rounds. I used a small pocket screwdriver to help pull it down. it does not have the button because you have to pull it all the way down to put the button on but its got a metal pin blocking it from going down past the 10 round cap.
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I have a full size 10 rd mag it has the blue follower and no load assist button it a pain after the first 4-5 rounds. I used a small pocket screwdriver to help pull it down. it does not have the button because you have to pull it all the way down to put the button on but its got a metal pin blocking it from going down past the 10 round cap.
I have the same problem. I was going to call S&W about it, but since you have the same problem, I'm guessing it was intentional and they probably won't do anything for me.

Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking?
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Today I noticed my local gun store (Republic of Maryland) had a M&P 15-22 for sale. The magazine looked like a 25 rounder but had a blue inner and no Ambidextrious Load Assist Buttons. They said it was only a 10 round Magazine. So I guess the complient versions are harder to load without the buttons?
See for yourself.

YouTube - Smith & Wesson M&P15-22 Clip For The State of NY
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I am pretty sure it is the way I loaded the mag. In so cal Rancho Palos Verdes.
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Painful watching that guy load the magazine
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good god that video looks like me trying to load the mag on my glock chambered in 357sig... you got to love the ipod load assist a.k.a ILA...lol
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Painful watching that guy load the magazine
That's me, and yes, it was quite painful.
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That's me, and yes, it was quite painful.
Do appreciate your post.

Have you heard of the tampon method? Quickly, a brass rod has a hook on one end. A hole drilled in the bottom of the mag. Rod goes in mag and up and grabs the bottom of the feed lip. Pull the rod back down and the feed lip relaxes, allowing easy loading.
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JUST PULL THE STRING LOL
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Do appreciate your post.

Have you heard of the tampon method? Quickly, a brass rod has a hook on one end. A hole drilled in the bottom of the mag. Rod goes in mag and up and grabs the bottom of the feed lip. Pull the rod back down and the feed lip relaxes, allowing easy loading.
Not a bad idea, but I doubt I'm clever enough to pull a contraption like that off.

Instead, I bought two 25rd clips, disassembled and some pins that will restrict the clip to ten rounds. Problem solved.
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It's really disappointing that Smith & Wesson would take such a shortcut and put out such a product like this! These so called "10 round mags" are a joke!

I've been hoping they would put out a real 10 round mag, not just take and modify a 25 rounder! Some of us would like the shorter mags which makes bench shooting / target practice easier. They originally showed them on their web site up until the end of December but they no longer do! The old bait and switch!
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I'm not sure why S&W would jump thru hoops for unique 10 round magazines.

10 rounds is 10 rounds and that limitation is only found is a few localities anyway.

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It's really disappointing that Smith & Wesson would take such a shortcut and put out such a product like this! These so called "10 round mags" are a joke!

I've been hoping they would put out a real 10 round mag, not just take and modify a 25 rounder! Some of us would like the shorter mags which makes bench shooting / target practice easier. They originally showed them on their web site up until the end of December but they no longer do! The old bait and switch!
Like you, I had been wanting to get a 10rd mag. Are they not going to make one now?
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Like you, I had been wanting to get a 10rd mag. Are they not going to make one now?
I guess not! Back before the holidays they advertised a 10 round mag and their website showed a picture of them but now they no longer show them?

My inquiries to customer service back in October indicated a January 2010 release.

I feel a bit cheated because all they did was modify a 25 rounder and removed the assist knobs. Pretty poor by my standards.....
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I guess we can always hope that a third party fills that void? Perhaps Black Dog will make one along these lines?

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Thanks for the link! I just sent them a message telling them I would be intrested in a 15-22 Magazine.
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Thanks for the link! I just sent them a message telling them I would be intrested in a 15-22 Magazine.
see this is how you get things done if every1 did as this man just did we would allready have these mags
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I guess we can always hope that a third party fills that void? Perhaps Black Dog will make one along these lines?

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Black Dog makes good magazines. I have too many for my Sig 522 and dedicated .22 upper. They work great. Just got some 15 round mags from them for my 522. BDM also makes good mags for the 10/22.
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Thanks for the link! I just sent them a message telling them I would be intrested in a 15-22 Magazine.
Excellent idea. I will do the same and I hope anyone who reads this will also email them. We could use the help.
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I too sent them a message requesting a 10 round magazine! A couple more and we might get the ball rolling on these guys!!!
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I got a response from BDM!

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Yes, that is something we are working on. We dont expect a working prototype until late February.
Looks like we'll be waiting a bit, but not too long!
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That's me, and yes, it was quite painful.
I'm sorry, dude.... but that is perhaps the most pathetic thing I have ever seen. I'd rather throw rocks than load that freaking magazine.
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I'm sorry, dude.... but that is perhaps the most pathetic thing I have ever seen. I'd rather throw rocks than load that freaking magazine.
Tell me about it. Luckily, it's not quite as hard is it looks there because on top of loading the magazine, I was always trying to film at a good angle so it made it more difficult than just holding it lower and loading it that way, but even still, it's a pain.

Oh well, at least the first five are easy enough!
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Good news! Got a reply from Blackdog already! They are working on something for the 15-22 and a working prototype is expected late Feb.
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All- very helpful info re: loading these 15-22 mags. It makes some sense. However, when I began working with S&W and described the problem (similar to what I am reading in this forum) the CS rep at Smith mentioned nothing about loading mags and didn't even want me to send in the mags I had jams with. My Smith dealer has been on the phone with them, (he's tried the weapon and had the same problems), they told him that they have about about three out of 100 that won't fire correctly for whatever reason. I am on the second round of sending the weapon in- this time the dealer is involved. I'll see if my weapon falls into that mystery "whatever" category.
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Received my magazine kit from 44mag today. Now I just have to wait on the 10rd plugs from ebay to show up and we'll see what we're working with here.
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