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Old 12-09-2009, 10:08 PM
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I found this, and saw people here asking about it.

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Old 12-09-2009, 11:46 PM
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Old 12-10-2009, 01:10 AM
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If someone with the tooling would actually make a decent tool that fit properly and was under $50 I'd probably buy one. I've made one out of 3/4" EMT that will "work" it's just pretty sloppy.
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Old 12-11-2009, 07:47 AM
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Check 15-22 barrel tool on eBay. I just got a message from a seller stating that he had one up for $22.
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:36 AM
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$22, that's worth the trouble of making one myself. Thanks
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Old 12-13-2009, 02:46 AM
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Check 15-22 barrel tool on eBay. I just got a message from a seller stating that he had one up for $22.
I did a search and found the one your talking about. It looks like a decent wrench, but the auction could have been a little more specific. I sent the seller a note asking for a little more information before ordering. Thanks for the heads up!!
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:50 AM
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I did a search and found the one your talking about. It looks like a decent wrench, but the auction could have been a little more specific. I sent the seller a note asking for a little more information before ordering. Thanks for the heads up!!
Curious about his response. The auction for the tool said something about the tool needing a little "work".
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Old 12-14-2009, 06:41 AM
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Ok, the seller got back to me and to paraphrase, you have to provide an adequate length of 3/4" pipe and drill a small hole in the threads of the pipe so that the set screw on the wrench end can be "locked" into place. He also recommends clamping the barrel as opposed to gripping the upper receiver or the handguard. He's selling handguard adapters so you can use a standard AR-15 handguard and barrel vise jaws sized to fit the 15-22. I'll probably pick up one of his wrenches, it looks like a cleaner and more professional version of the one I made with a dremel
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:47 PM
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guys a piece of 1" conduet (sc) and 10 min. with a grinder and u have the tool for about 5 bucks... the nut isnt tight at all about 10 to 15lbfts is all
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Old 12-26-2009, 11:30 PM
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Guys, I bought one of the ebay units for $22 delivered. It is very nicely made and comes with a large sheet of instructions and do's/don'ts to keep the average schlep from destroying his rifle. The "work" needed isn't much and in fact there are other ways to achieve the same end without all the drilling, etc. Either JB weld the piece to a chunk of 3/4" pipe or just weld it to the pipe and be done with it. As stated several places, the torque value is only 20 lbs. and that's not a lot. I'll be setting mine up for removal sometime this week. Can't wait to get in there and really get it clean! Mike in TX
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Old 12-30-2009, 06:29 PM
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I made one in about 10 minutes with a piece of 3/4" pcv pipe and a dremmel tool. It worked perfectly, the bolt isn't on there tight enough to have to use a piece of metal pipe.
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Old 12-30-2009, 08:21 PM
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PVC pipe? I know there's a link to the "print" but can't find it.

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Yep, PVC. That bolt isn't on there tight at all, I didn't put anything on the pipe to get any torque on it either.
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:10 PM
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When reinstalling the barrel, is there any trick that needs to be known when "indexing" it or does it just drop back in one way only ?
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There's only one way it can go back in. Just make sure the feed ramp is at the bottom and you'll have it right!!!
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:42 PM
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There's only one way it can go back in. Just make sure the feed ramp is at the bottom and you'll have it right!!!
Good info on the barrel tool.

Is that PVC 3/4" ID or OD?

Is the feed ramp a permanent part of the barrel?
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It's 3/4" ID, it's like 1 1/16" OD. It's just about perfect. I didn't really take my time or anything, just do it like this: Make Your Own M&P15-22 Barrel Nut Tool - How I Did It - RimfireCentral.com Forums
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:22 PM
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I just used my ebay-purchased barrel nut tool to remove the barrel. I went to Lowe's and bought an 18" section of black iron pipe for $5. I didn't need to use the set screw or otherwise weld the tool to the pipe, as the tight fit of the threads was plenty more torque than the barrel nut required for removal or installation. 1st surprise...my barrel nut was barely tight, just a bit more than loose, and took no torque to remove at all. 2nd surprise... I found an 1 1/2" spot on my barrel which had no bluing on it at all! I can't see it when the barrel is installed but you better believe I oiled that section a bit more than the rest. When reinstalling the nut, I was very careful not to "booger" the threads and when it felt snug I gave it just a bit more of a twist with my hand only to torque it. This is not much torque at all... but more than it had when I removed it! It was nice to thoroughly clean that hard-to-get-at area around the feed ramp and ejector. Do I like the tool? Yes, it is a nicely made piece. Is it overkill for the job? Yes, I feel a chunk of PVC pipe properly fit to the nut slots will more than do the job. Plus, the PVC can't scratch any metal surfaces while in use. BTW: I didn't use any sort of vise, barrel or otherwise for this job as it simply isn't needed for the miniscule amount of torque you're dealing with on a polymer receiver and quadrail. Mike in TX
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2nd surprise... I found an 1 1/2" spot on my barrel which had no bluing on it at all! I can't see it when the barrel is installed but you better believe I oiled that section a bit more than the rest.
I also was surprised to find that same piece of real estate on my barrel, also without any bluing. If they can't get the bluing right, I guess I shouldn't be so critical about the accuracy of their match grade barrel.

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Old 01-03-2010, 12:10 AM
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every one that has a 15 22 needs to check their barrel to make sure it is tight.I sent a scope back thinking it was bad because the gun was shooting 2-3" variations because the barrel was loose.I have shot about 2500 rounds through it.I was thinking about putting some blue locktight on it.
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+1 on what pea shooter says: Mine was checked the other day and was barely tightened. I torqued it to "snug", and put 100 rounds through it, at which time I rechecked the barrel nut and found it had backed itself out 1/8 of a turn! I am going to remove it again and degrease the threads on the barrel and barrel nut (they were soaked with oil) I will then reassemble without oil, or with very little lube around this area and see how it maintains torque when I take it back to the range. I knew something was wrong as it kept putting bullets all over at 50 feet! This could be a big problem for 15-22 shooters. I hope I'm wrong on this one. Mike in TX
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Just wondering... does the barrel/barrel nut screw/are made of steel, or they're plastic? Of course I know the barrel is steel :P

And the place where it goes screwed?

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Just wondering... does the barrel/barrel nut screw/are made of steel, or they're plastic? Of course I know the barrel is steel :P

And the place where it goes screwed?
The barrel nut is metal and of course, the barrel that it threads on to is steel.




The polymer upper receiver has a metal insert where the barrel passes through it.

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Just bought the socket on Ebay. $22.00 from "jsgearhead".
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The barrel nut is metal and of course, the barrel that it threads on to is steel.

Arizona, could you (or someone who has theirs currently apart) post some pictures of the nut with a ruler showing how wide the indents are.
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The barrel nut is metal and of course, the barrel that it threads on to is steel.
Thanks arizona for the great pics. I see there is more metal, I was worried about a "loose barrel" with play after a lot of use, but I think is should keep fine.

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This will sound stupid but......

Is there an easy way to tell if the barrel is loose? Will I know without removing the barrel nut?
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Arizona, could you (or someone who has theirs currently apart) post some pictures of the nut with a ruler showing how wide the indents are.
OD of BBL nut is 1.125"
Depth of lugs ~ .133"
Width of lugs ~ .186"

From what I understand, the torque rating for the nut is 20 ft-lbs.
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Is there an easy way to tell if the barrel is loose? Will I know without removing the barrel nut?
IF THE NUT GETS LOOSE ACCUR. WOULD LIKELY SUFFER FIRST... THEN YOU WOULD PROB. HAVE REALLY HORIBLE FEED PROB. THEN BY THAT TIME YOU COULD PROB. PULL THE REAR PIN REMOVE BOLT AND MOVE HE BARREL BACK AND FORTH SHY OF THE TOOL END PLAY WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD VISUALY TELL
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OD of BBL nut is 1.125"
Depth of lugs ~ .133"
Width of lugs ~ .186"

From what I understand, the torque rating for the nut is 20 ft-lbs.
Thank you that helps alot
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I put together some of the info I found here in the various threads concerning the barrel nut, etc......hopefully this will help a bit for those looking to do it for the first time.

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Thanks arizona for the great pics. I see there is more metal, I was worried about a "loose barrel" with play after a lot of use, but I think is should keep fine.

Antonio
You are most welcome. There are a lot of threads on the barrel and the nut.

FWIW, my barrel nut was not loose.....I had to really crank on the pipe/nut to remove mine.
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I put together some of the info I found here in the various threads concerning the barrel nut, etc......hopefully this will help a bit for those looking to do it for the first time.

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That is one awsome, well thought out site. Everyone should see it. Good info with great pics and explanations.
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I put together some of the info I found here in the various threads concerning the barrel nut, etc......hopefully this will help a bit for those looking to do it for the first time.

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Awesome link and writeups. Thanks for sharing.
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I put together some of the info I found here in the various threads concerning the barrel nut, etc......hopefully this will help a bit for those looking to do it for the first time.

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Thanks for the good info.

Going by Lowe's on the way home from work tonight.
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I called S&W and the guy I talked to there said that he never heard of this problem,(barrel nut coming loose on M&P 15 22)I ask any one who has this problem to call them (he also said I should not believe things written on forums) I also had to send a brand new 617 back because I did not notice the barrel was 1/16" over tightened until I went to sight it in,he also never heard of this problem.I guess I got the only two bad guns they made.I know any one can make a mistake but be good enough to admit it.I really like their guns I just did not like the guy I spoke to attitude.
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I called S&W and the guy I talked to there said that he never heard of this problem,(barrel nut coming loose on M&P 15 22)I ask any one who has this problem to call them (he also said I should not believe things written on forums) I also had to send a brand new 617 back because I did not notice the barrel was 1/16" over tightened until I went to sight it in,he also never heard of this problem.I guess I got the only two bad guns they made.I know any one can make a mistake but be good enough to admit it.I really like their guns I just did not like the guy I spoke to attitude.
I know what you heard was frustrating, (never heard of that before stuff) but most companies don't want their employees admitting to any problems with the product.
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pea shooter, that guy at S&W was full of it. If mine could loosen up 1/8 turn in 100 rounds after torqueing it tighter than I found it I'm sure it's happened before. I'm going to make a second "tool" from PVC pipe as I don't like scratching the barrel with the steel tool and 3/4 black iron pipe. I have stripped almost all of the lube from those areas of the barrel and nut and have retorqued it again. I'll be heading to the range later this week (weather permitting) to put several hundred rounds through it and see if it stays put. If this doesn't work, some sort of barrel vise will be needed. Mike in Texas
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Anyone want to make a bunch of these tools out of PVC pipe? I'd buy one from ya!

Lets see, PVC pipe comes in white and "tactical" black up here!

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I called S&W and the guy I talked to there said that he never heard of this problem,(barrel nut coming loose on M&P 15 22)I ask any one who has this problem to call them (he also said I should not believe things written on forums)
My limited experience with S&W--

A few weeks ago I asked S&W about the infamous round hang-ups in the magazine. I was told that it had not been an issue. Now... who ya gonna believe... forums or S&W?

A couple days ago I requested the barrel nut torque specs. I was told there is no available data. However, the guy said that S&W gave him some training on 15-22 assembly. He described how he pressed the button on the machine which operated the drive that torques the barrel nut.

Aside from my limited anecdotal contact with S&W, folks here speak well of S&W service. I have just 3 S&W products and have never needed any of their hands-on services. Considering S&W offers no parts list/diagram for the 15-22, will not sell parts, nor can they share assembly specs.... I guess they ought to have a good service dept.
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A couple days ago I requested the barrel nut torque specs. I was told there is no available data. However, the guy said that S&W gave him some training on 15-22 assembly. He described how he pressed the button on the machine which operated the drive that torques the barrel nut.
Did the S&W guy mention how hard he pushed down on the machine button that operated the drive that torques the barrel button? Damn, any torque specs from S&W would be a plus.

Real PIA that S&W won't sell parts, etc. But at least they fix the guns at no charge and pay shipping both ways. Maybe we could get them to make house calls to cut down on gun down time.
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Did the S&W guy mention how hard he pushed down on the machine button that operated the drive that torques the barrel button? Damn, any torque specs from S&W would be a plus.
LOL! I guess I just asked the wrong question. Had I asked for index finger pounds.....

In all fairness... I think he was simply trying trying as best he could to say something other than 'I duknow'. He was pretty cheerful until I told him I was inquiring about the 15-22. You could hear the sigh.... I suspect they are getting hammered.
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lol thats funny.. did you tell him to suck it up we all hate our jobs to some degree lol
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lol thats funny.. did you tell him to suck it up we all hate our jobs to some degree lol
Hahaha!!!! Nah... I try to stay with the honey/vinegar approach.
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they will one day get it right ... heck they r close now
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pea shooter, that guy at S&W was full of it. If mine could loosen up 1/8 turn in 100 rounds after torqueing it tighter than I found it I'm sure it's happened before. I'm going to make a second "tool" from PVC pipe as I don't like scratching the barrel with the steel tool and 3/4 black iron pipe. I have stripped almost all of the lube from those areas of the barrel and nut and have retorqued it again. I'll be heading to the range later this week (weather permitting) to put several hundred rounds through it and see if it stays put. If this doesn't work, some sort of barrel vise will be needed. Mike in Texas
It is possible that they haven't heard about it. The only people who will notice the problem are the people who take the time to purchase/make a BBL nut tool. And if you have that there is no need to send it to S&W for service.
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It is possible that they haven't heard about it.
We've heard about all these issues but we're supposed to believe that the guys at S&W haven't? If so,, and S&W reps really are that clueless... then that's even worse.
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