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Old 01-21-2010, 03:15 PM
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What ammo were you using? Also why wont S&W send replacement parts for this gun? Or will they? Has anyone actually asked if they will sell parts for this gun? Seems like a spare bolt may be in order.

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Old 01-21-2010, 05:45 PM
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S&W wants the rifle back for quality control purposes. Generally the extractor doesn't just break. At least not at low round counts. There is almost another contributing factor (Like a OOB discharge). The want to inspect the rifle so they cam make sure it does not happen again. Plus they can document what they are seeing in case there os a need for a design change.
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Old 01-21-2010, 06:34 PM
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I was shooting Winchester HV Expert. Since I started using Federal Bulk ammo I haven't had a problem, but that might just be because S&W fixed the problem.
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Hmmmmm... We may be on to something
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:52 PM
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Remington Golden Bullet - i was warned......

OOB discharge and the casing blew up like a soda can being crushed.

I will stick with CCI Mini Mags from now on.
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Federal bulk ammo, oob discharge. It didnt blow the extractor out but did mangle the .22 casing and blew powder etc into my face. Until this happened the rifle was shooting perfectly.

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questions of S&W customer service today. From what I was told, they aren't going to be offering replacement parts for the 15-22 anytime in the near future. They do not plan on revising their 15-22 manual stating not to use certain ammo because they say that the problems that have been reported with certain ammo is unsubstansiated. Anyone sending in a firearm for repair should expect to wait a quite a bit longer than normal. I sent my 15-22 before the holidays and was told it was shipped yesterday and I should see it sometime next week.
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mine let loose while shooting winchester 333 bx of 36gr plated hollow points. F.O.B.
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:26 PM
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why dont someone start a poll on this and maybe we can find a semi safe ammo for the forum to recommend without having to give a "i think" what do yall think
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:29 PM
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I read on another forum some people believe it is hollow points causing this issue? Could there be any substance to this? I have not experienced the blown out extractor (yet), but initially I had a ton of problems with the ejector which I fixed.

Somebody more "bullet savy" than I may chime in on this.
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:41 PM
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No properly designed rifle should fire out of battery with any ammo of the right caliber. That's why there are SAAMI specs. If a hollow point bullet causes it to get hung up during feeding then it should only jam not fire. This might seem like no big deal because it's just 22 rounds blowing up and a few rifles going back to the factory, but imagine if this were 223 rifles firing OOB. A recall may be in order once they collect enough data from returned rifles and find a fix.
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:47 PM
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No properly designed rifle should fire out of battery with any ammo of the right caliber. That's why there are SAAMI specs. If a hollow point bullet causes it to get hung up during feeding then it should only jam not fire. This might seem like no big deal because it's just 22 rounds blowing up and a few rifles going back to the factory, but imagine if this were 223 rifles firing OOB. A recall may be in order once they collect enough data from returned rifles and find a fix.
What if the rifle is in spec, but the ammo is not in spec? How does the firearm compensate for that possibility?
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i agree they have a prob.. but compairing a rimfire firing oob to a center fire firing oob is 2 totally different things...its very easy to crimp the rim of a 22.. a dirty chamber can do it, a ftf can do it, even a failure to eject the prior round can cause the bolt to pinch the next round... ive only had 1 centerfire fire oob on me and that was due to the primer wasnt set deep enough and the bolt crushed it... just my .02 ... but saying a rimfire should never fire oob no matter what is like saying a belt fed gun should never cook off a round, it happens... its kinda the nature of the beast if you will... and besides when a round separate and cooks off in a belt fed gun it puts on a nice light show at night and you even get some cheers... (at knob creek anyway)
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That's why I said ammunition of the right caliber, which also means in spec. So far three different brands of common 22LR have been mentioned.
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If it's all about out of spec ammo..... then I think it would be fair to say that the 15-22 compensates for that possibility less effectively than other .22 firearms.
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I could agree on "out of spec ammo" if all the instances were relating to ONE type or brand of ammo, or different rifles.....but that just doesn't seem to be the case on this particular forum discussion. Doesn't anybody see a pattern emerging here? It's not one particular brand of ammo, but it IS one particular brand of rifle, and I don't believe that every instance of malfunction relating to extractors and OOB'S concerning this firearm are caused by "out of spec ammo". I have shot a ton of semi-auto 22's over the years and have NEVER had an "OOB" discharge in any of them! Now, that is not saying that they don't ever happen, just that its never happened to me (until the 15-22) but I am saying that my ruger's, remmy's, win's, marlins and any of my other 22's have never had "premature release". And it is not normal or as common as some people would have you believe. And for those who think that it's not a legitimate safety condition (OOB'S), even with a mere 22lr, you are seriously oblivious and complacent.

S&W will probably continue to play dumb until somebody get seriously injured or worse. It's just like I said in another post, do you really think they are going to disclose the exact number of 15-22's that have been back to the factory for repair?
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I read on another forum some people believe it is hollow points causing this issue? Could there be any substance to this? I have not experienced the blown out extractor (yet), but initially I had a ton of problems with the ejector which I fixed.

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why dont someone start a poll on this and maybe we can find a semi safe ammo for the forum to recommend without having to give a "i think" what do yall think
In the last couple days I have read of failures while using Remington, Winchester, CCI and Federal. If we exclude all these we'll have to start throwing rocks for fun.
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Personally, I'm starting to think that the failure to feed issues and the OOB discharges are connected. And in my opinion, the failure to feed issues are related to magazine geometry (feed angle, height in relation to bolt and chamber etc). The theory that's starting to develop in my mind is that the misfeed is distorting the cartridge (specificly how the bullet is crimped into the case) enough that on occasion it keeps the cartridge from chambering properly. This could account for some of the sub par accuracy that this "match grade" barrel provides.

There are a few other possibilities that I'm considering.
1. Bolt to carrier rail interface out of spec. If the rails are not parrellel it could induce enough drag to keep the round from chambering properly. On the other end of the spectrum, if the bolt is too loose in the rails, it's possible for the bolt to close off center causing the bolt face itself to crimp the rim and ignite the primer.

2. It's possible that the chamber is out of spec or on the tight end of the SAAMI spec. But seeing how the rifle seems to take stingers and some of the other long case hyper velocity rounds, I don't think this is the case.

3. Improper headspace not allowing bolt to go into battery or too much headspace resulting in an unsupported portion of the cartridge. This is a very real possibility.

I had another idea before I started this reply, but I can't remember what it was.

I think a somewhat reasonable test for the failure to feed theory would be to pause firing between rounds, inspect the rifle to make sure the the bolt is fully in battery. Then carefully eject the round to inspect the bullet to case fit to make sure it is still true and not cock-eyed.

As for the headspace issue, it should be pretty easy to tell if it's too tight. The bolt would never fully be in battery with a round chambered. Checking if there is too much headspace is a little more difficult. I'm not sure how you would actually measure it.
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S&W will probably continue to play dumb until somebody get seriously injured or worse. It's just like I said in another post, do you really think they are going to disclose the exact number of 15-22's that have been back to the factory for repair?
I agree with you and because of this forum,I chose to buy a
SIG in lieu of the S&W. It seems a day doesn't go by when
someone else is not having a problem with this issue.I am VERY
surprised that S&W has NOT had a major recall(like the auto
industry) when there is a SAFETY concern. The longer this
goes and IF these problems persist with the end
result being someone really getting hurt S&W is going to
look negligent to say the least. This will hurt S&W financially
and also will impact all of us in the shooting fraternity.Pete
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The SIG 522 might be nice but it's not a "M16/AR15" system. For plinking a Ruger 10-22 is still the best available today. But if you're looking for more "M16/AR15" trigger time you need a clone of one.

I've seen out of battery firing on many .22LR self loaders. The firing pin might strike the rim or the rim gets crushed during incomplete or partial loading. If we can determine what's happening we can help S&W device a redesign or fix.

I'm pretty sure this is what happened when my extractor went missing, but didn't notice the case. Nor did I have to pry a blown case out of the receiver.

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The SIG 522 might be nice but it's not a "M16/AR15" system. For plinking a Ruger 10-22 is still the best available today. But if you're looking for more "M16/AR15" trigger time you need a clone of one.

I've seen out of battery firing on many .22LR self loaders. The firing pin might strike the rim or the rim gets crushed during incomplete or partial loading. If we can determine what's happening we can help S&W device a redesign or fix.

I'm pretty sure this is what happened when my extractor went missing, but didn't notice the case. Nor did I have to pry a blown case out of the receiver.

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for me the rim got crushed when reloading, the case was only 75% in the chamber when it went off
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Does the OOB happen after a FTE? I was shooting my 22-45 and had a bad magazine and had several FTE and the nest round the bullet was crimped from the brass. Just a thought.
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Does the OOB happen after a FTE? I was shooting my 22-45 and had a bad magazine and had several FTE and the nest round the bullet was crimped from the brass. Just a thought.
a few FTEs then shot ok for a few then bang
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I was shooting Aguila HV and Federal Auto Match. I'm not sure which was in the gun when the extractor broke. I emailed S&W about getting a replacement part, but haven't heard back yet.
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S&W wants the rifle back for quality control purposes. Generally the extractor doesn't just break. At least not at low round counts. There is almost another contributing factor (Like a OOB discharge). The want to inspect the rifle so they cam make sure it does not happen again. Plus they can document what they are seeing in case there os a need for a design change.
.......I shoot stingers and never have had a problem.
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Here is a theory, tight chambers plus dirty chambers and out of spec ammo are the root causes. My guess is that folks are running these guns hard during a range day with known dirty ammo WInchester, Remington, federal bulk thus fouling the chamber causing a round to stick and fire OOB. Might be interesting to understand round count on the day of the failure to determine if dirty chambers are a culprit.

Out of spec ammo, especially with the shortage ammo mfgs are pumping out millions is 22lr per day, I guarantee you that quality control is not as good. I've read on another forum that Remington bulk that caused a OOB on a 10-22 was noticeably deformed from the factory.

The OOB failure are not limited to 15-22 other shooters are experiencing this issue. Just do a search.

Might be good to run a patch or bore snake every 100-200 rounds and use non-bulk ammo.
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Just my own experience ...

Over the past 40+ years I have shot close to a million rounds of .22 LR of just about every brand available during those years. I have yet to experience an OOB with any ammo. The very few I am acquainted with were on firearms in basically filthy condition. I subscribe to theory that problem is almost firearm-related, not ammo-related.
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Fire arm dirty + clean the trigger or weak spring or all the above. I assume the firearm is in good operating condition elsewise.
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I have had my extractor replaced twice and I realised the issue was not the gun.

I used to keep a breach flag in when not in use and on occasions the bolt catch was released - in the bag or just laying it down. The extractor was driven up to the flag and over time it became dislodged. I no long store the gun with a flag in.
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Might be interesting to understand round count on the day of the failure to determine if dirty chambers are a culprit.
I suspect it has little to do with "round count on the day of the failure" and everything to do with a dirty chamber. I see too many people fuss over cleaning the bore while seeming to leave all the crud they cleaned out of the bore sitting in the chamber. It's easy to see if the bore is clean. It's much harder to see if the chamber is clean and actually get it clean.
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I suspect it has little to do with "round count on the day of the failure" and everything to do with a dirty chamber. I see too many people fuss over cleaning the bore while seeming to leave all the crud they cleaned out of the bore sitting in the chamber. It's easy to see if the bore is clean. It's much harder to see if the chamber is clean and actually get it clean.
I use a desk mounted, lit magnifier and nylon dental picks for this purpose.

The build up of carbon is well camouflaged too, because w/o the magnifier, I don't see squat.

And, I too, have never experienced an out of battery misfire in my whole live long life. (Or failed extractor).
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I've seen four of these events personally. All on very hot days and all during matches where multiple people shared a gun, thus the guns did get dirty. We cleaned the guns a few times during the day but still you know the gun was getting dirty. One gun did this, was sent back to Smith, and had a repeat event. Three different types of ammo. I'm currently using a Ruger, I'll let you know if it does the same.
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No properly designed rifle should fire out of battery with any ammo of the right caliber. That's why there are SAAMI specs. If a hollow point bullet causes it to get hung up during feeding then it should only jam not fire. This might seem like no big deal because it's just 22 rounds blowing up and a few rifles going back to the factory, but imagine if this were 223 rifles firing OOB. A recall may be in order once they collect enough data from returned rifles and find a fix.
Sorry but in the case of .22 that is a crock. OOB are a problem exclusively to blowback action firearms, which among other things means mostly rimfires (and .25-.380 pistols). Several things can cause it hardly any of which have anything to do with the SAAMI specs. Slamfires, crud in the chamber, and rounds with excessive OAL can all have a part in it. But the reason is that the design of blowback guns requires that the trigger be able to trip slightly before the action completely closes. So if the round can't fully chamber due to crud, it can go off. And if the bolt bounces similar to a slamfire it can go off, and if the round is slightly too long (especially if you are using a PC model with a match chamber) it can go off. Not to mention if you are firing extremely fast, as in you have a 3-gun trigger in your gun and you are trying to do the 25 rds in 5 seconds drill it can happen.
Now in 2010 when the problem first reared its head they put in a stiffer blue recoil spring to eliminate the bounce/slamfire issue. That was the main fix. But using the wrong ammo in a PC model can cause it also so they have lists of yay and nay ammos to use. Remember there is a very fine line in ammo power that allows a blowback design to function perfectly. And getting crud in the chamber so the round does not fully seat is something that has to be watched by the shooter picking the least dirty ammo and keeping the chamber relatively clean (does not mean clean more often but watch out for dirty ammo like Remington brand. If the round does not fully seat the bolt closing will try to push it into the chamber all the way and if you have already pulled the trigger it will go off slightly before its closed. Still pretty rare considering the amount of guns and ammo poured thru 15-22s daily. Heck when I used to use a Remington 597 in Ruger Rimfire I had 4 OOBs in the space of 2 years, 2 in practice and 2 in matches. I have had none with either of my 15-22s since getting the first in 2011. But I did lose an extractor in my PC model when I had a jam using slightly longer ammo, in this case Federal Champion (blue box), when it popped off the bolt when trying to clear it. S&W still wanted my gun back to check it out.
If you want to see this in slow motion. Pull the bolt back slightly in any .22 firearm, then after pulling the trigger back slowly let the bolt go back towards battery and you will see it goes off slightly before the bolt closes. Or you can do it the other way and pull the bolt back slightly and see how soon you can get the trigger to fire before you release the bolt completely. Its this action function that allows people who don't like to dryfire their .22 to get the hammer down after an RO tells them to close the hammer after a match.
And why this is uncommon in .25-.380 firearms is because they have recoil springs way out of proportion to their slide travels for this very reason. Plus they have ammo that produces lots more energy in general that a .22LR. Also why so many find the slides on those guns hard to pull back in many cases. Its a fine line between function and failure in a .22.

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I've seen four of these events personally. All on very hot days and all during matches where multiple people shared a gun, thus the guns did get dirty. We cleaned the guns a few times during the day but still you know the gun was getting dirty. One gun did this, was sent back to Smith, and had a repeat event. Three different types of ammo. I'm currently using a Ruger, I'll let you know if it does the same.
From 2010 to mid-2011 I had 4 OOBs in my Remington 597 I used for Ruger Rimfire. From mid-2011 to mid-2014 I used 15-22s and had no issues although I saw several OOBs others had in 2010 events. From mid-2014 to present I have used a custom 10/22 with zero issues except for occasional dud rounds that the 10/22 extractors sometimes can't get out of the chamber. So using good ammo is key. I use nothing but CCI-AR Tactical in my rifles from when it came out around 2011. 40g Mini-Mags in my pistols. Sometimes lesser ammo in a match that is not really important.
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I won't use winchester ever again had the same problem with the super x
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No, no... Shoot what ever U want, all U can shoot... If anything happens to your 15-22 just send it to S&W until they fix the problem... Eventually they'll get it right. Take advantage of the S&W warranty which is one of the best in the market.
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Anyone know how I can get my extractor replaced? It's very frustrating and such an inconvenience not having the casings eject properly. used federal ammo. Spent 480$ on the rifle for it not to work correctly is upsetting. Need to find out how much for replacement. And / or how long it will take if I send it to S&W? Do I pay for shipping? NEED HELP. any suggestions?
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Is it just the extractor you need or do you need the spring and plunger too? If just the extractor then buy a Volquartsen Exact Edge extractor if you need the spring and plunger as well then you will probably have to go to S&W.
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