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Old 12-17-2010, 08:40 PM
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I doubt they'd just use the "Laney" term as a marketing strategy. I'd imagine that it was specifically designed for this rifle being the first of it's kind. Guess we'll find out. Personally, I love the fact S&W is leading the way in innovative new 22lr Tacticals.
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This seems pretty exciting. From what I'm cobbling together in this thread:
  • 18" fluted barrel
  • Laney Match Chamber
  • MSRP ~$769 (ouchie)
  • Aftermarket grip of unknown make/model (Hogue? Hard to tell from picture)

Seems like between this new rifle and the possibility of an M&P 22LR pistol coming out, next year will be exciting for sure!
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:17 AM
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The Laney chamber was developed by T/C for their R55 Benchmark rifle. It's tighter and shorter than a standard 22 LR chamber for improved accuracy, but still loose enough to function a semi auto. There is a 22 Bentz chamber that some 10/22 aftermarket barrel makers put in their barrels. The Laney is a similar in concept.
CCI Stinger uses a longer case than standard 22LR that may stick in the shorter match chambers and cause problems. Stingers shoot fine in the standard 15-22 chambers.

Other features that I've had confirmed:
In addition to being longer and fluted, the barrel is larger OD.
The muzzle is threaded 1/2-28 and comes with a thread protector (but not a flash hider).
Two Stage Match Trigger.
The pistol grip is a Hogue overmolded.
Vltor stock.
Ladder rail panels.
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Old 12-18-2010, 01:32 AM
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Other features that I've had confirmed:
In addition to being longer and fluted, the barrel is larger OD.
The muzzle is threaded 1/2-28 and comes with a thread protector (but not a flash hider).
Two Stage Match Trigger.
The pistol grip is a Hogue overmolded.
Vltor stock.
Ladder rail panels.
Oh wow, 2-stage trigger would be nice too. I love Hogue grips... my 15-22 has one as it is. The other bits are nice bonuses too, with the stock upgrade and the ladder panels.

Threaded, fluted "bull" barrel... man, this thing is just selling itself!

It's almost as if they are really just putting out a 15-22 "SPR" for all intents and purposes.

Can't wait.
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Old 12-18-2010, 01:40 AM
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I just wish it was cheaper, that's a lot of dough to spend on a 22lr......but I wouldn't kick it outta my gun safe if you know what I mean...haha.
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Old 12-18-2010, 05:59 AM
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I wonder if they will do anything to alter the receiver/handguard/barrel "sandwich" interface a bit and just do something to have receiver/barrel as the main connection and then hang the handguard off of that, like on a regular AR. Especially if they hope to market this as more of a "precision" variant of the 15-22?

Probably really minor, but it could make a difference.
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Although it's MSRP is $769, I'll bet you'll be able to get one for under $600. I bought my 2 15-22s from Gil Hebard and paid $402 for the pistol and $475 for the MOE(plus tax of course). I'm seriously thinking about selling my MOE to get the P C model, but I really like my MOE. So many guns so little money.

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No tax in Oregon of course.
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I don't think you have our income or property taxes. At least we don't get nickel and dimed to death with every purchase. Does IL send money to OR for a State sales tax?
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Harmonics? Like my shots can be musical?

I see a Christmas carol done w/ different fluted barrels. Like those stupid barking dog ones, but with gunshots.
ROFLMAO!!
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No. It was meant as a joke.
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I figured it was in jest. That's why I added the cartoon. Uncle Sugar will get the money, no matter what.
But let's get out and punch some holes in paper or get some dinner.
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Old 12-18-2010, 10:26 PM
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I figured it was in jest. That's why I added the cartoon. Uncle Sugar will get the money, no matter what.
But let's get out and punch some holes in paper or get some dinner.
I apologize as I was in crotchety old fart mode.

My lovely child-bride and I are going out to the range soon and have a challenge match....

Regards and have an enjoyable next couple of weeks.

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Old 12-21-2010, 04:16 PM
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I actually contacted Smith when I first posted this and at first they stated I was mistaken and that there was no performance model. After I said I will scan the picture and email it to him he said wait a second let me go talk to the performance center dept. He then stated that the manual should not have been released and that there is not definite performance center model at this time. He also stated the specs for such a rifle is not set in stone and he could not give me a time frame of any type model. This may be a future mode. On a side note if it has what appears to be a fluted barrel it would eliminate me from CMP sporter competition at this time.
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I don't understand how there is such disparity. I also contacted S&W cust. serv. a couple of weeks ago when this thread first appeared. I was told the release date and MSRP. I then went to Gil Hebard Guns(309-289-2700) and talked to my friends there and they confirmed that there was a PC model coming out in January. Last friday I was back there and saw the full color flyer spec sheet also stating a January release date and all the aforementioned features. I haven't got a firm price yet but I could order one if I want.

I just don't know what to think about this whole thing.

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I just don't know what to think about this whole thing.

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Sorry I missed it!

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Old 12-22-2010, 10:57 AM
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Another issue to consider if the Performance Center rifle is to be used for competition is it looks like the front sight is mounted on the forend like the other models. If using a sling with the sling swivel attached to the forend this would result in poor/inconsistent sight alignment. I actually found a mount that attaches to the barrel that will allow me to mount the front sight to it. Still working on if this is the answer to improved accuracy as I just installed it. Also wonder if the position of this would effect barrel harmonics and accuracy. (for the better depending on placement). I am hoping to set it up just like my AR service rifle (distances/aperture size) for low cost indoors practice solution.

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for the price of that version id rather just buy a spikes tactical as its mil spec and far better made
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Old 02-13-2011, 01:51 AM
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for the price of that version id rather just buy a spikes tactical as its mil spec and far better made

Don't get me wrong, Spikes makes wonderful equipment so I've read, but have you even seen, let alone HANDLED the new performance model to make this statement? Do you know the exact specs of what the new PC model entails? I'll bet both answers are no.
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Old 02-13-2011, 07:49 AM
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Don't get me wrong, Spikes makes wonderful equipment so I've read, but have you even seen, let alone HANDLED the new performance model to make this statement? Do you know the exact specs of what the new PC model entails? I'll bet both answers are no.
well for a start its not mil spec the spikes is, no doubt the new pc is sweet just saying for the price theres better out there good thing about the other m&p15-22s is the price
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:58 AM
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What makes mil-spec better (in a 22lr)? It just means that mil-spec parts fit it and for those particular 22lr uppers, it just means they're gonna fit a standard mil-spec lower.

That is what the military wanted when they came up with the TDP (Technical Data Package); parts that would perform reliably under combat conditions and fit multiple platforms, not what was the best parts you could fit on an AR. And those materials, measurements and quality control testing are all part of the TDP which give the blueprint to what goes onto/into a "mil-spec" firearm. That makes it so all sorts of different platforms have interchangeable parts which makes life much easier while in battle and when you're trying to make sure not to run outta certain parts and having to stock too many different kinds of parts.

To the common shooter, (well to me anyhow) all it means is that you know mil-spec parts should fit, not that it's gonna be more accurate. I sure know that I'm not blowing through 200 rounds in just a few seconds so some of the mil-spec testing doesn't even really apply to non-full-auto firearms...Although I'd love to have a full auto.

Honestly, the term "mil-spec" is so over-used and misunderstood to the point it garners the same disdain from me as the term "epic fail".

As for the Spikes, the price of just their uppers go for $560. You'd still need all the other goodies to buy just to shoot it...plus they also call their barrel "match quality", not match grade. And I've just talked to too many people who didn't like their conversion kits to ever consider putting one on my Stag AR which is why we went with the M&P.

The 15-22pc model was built from the ground up as a dedicated high-end 22lr platform that has two stage trigger, nice grip, match grade barrel and chamber along with other goodies. I'd take a match grade barrel and chamber over being able to stick a 22lr upper onto my mil-spec lower any day.

I'm not doggin Spikes, they make great AR's. I'm just sayin, in this case, for a high-end 22lr, I don't think a mil-spec upper stuck in an AR lower can compete with two stage triggers, match grade barrels and chambers and nice grips along with being manufactured as a dedicated platform...but that's just me and my .02.

And it's only the receiver and charge handle that are mil-spec on the spike's, it's actually "mil-spec featured", not mil-spec as to my understanding of the term mil-spec.
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the performance center is mil spec. also does anyone know if a 25rd mag would work. because the dealer i bought mine from said it would put to much tension on the laney chamber. also S&W customer service didnt know.
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OK so now I'm really puzzled. How would the magazine affect the chamber. 10 round, 25 round, or 2000 round, all the magazine does is present a new round in the correct position inside the receiver so the bolt can pick it up and run it up the feed ramp into the chamber.

One of us is a bit confused, might be me. But I can't see how the mag could affect the chamber.
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thats what i thought i was just quoting the dealer.
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thats what i thought i was just quoting the dealer.
Sounds like your dealer has a case of Idoesnthavethatitemites and thinks you should buy this item that I DO have.

Find a new dealer
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haha ya he didnt kno anything. but that is the one i wanted and i paid alot less than the mrsp, also the only one in an 75 mile radius
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Saw a young kid at the range to day with one. It had Performance Center in large letters on the side,threaded 18" fluted barrel with Vitor stock,he was having problems with it ejecting, I took the bolt out and the extractor was completely gone from the rifle...i have no idea how it was ejectin the few shells it was ejecting, It told him to return it to S&W and have a new extractor installed..I guess the blowback pressure was ejecting a shell every now and then somehow..???
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Can,t say about the chamber,but it had a 18" fluted barrel,threaded with a protector on the end..i placed my A-1 Style comp over it and the barrel was longer..and it had Performance Center stamped on the side or cut,what ever you would call it.
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Sounds like he had an OOB, disregarded it and kept shooting.

The PC 15-22 has gotten mixed reviews on here, mainly due to the cost and marginal or non-existent improvement in accuracy over the standard model.
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Well, there is more good about the 15-22 than just the price. I have heard that Spikes is not currently marketing their .22 at this time. You might want to look into why, I'm not going there:-)

We've long had a 15-22 and love it. Up till recently it has been the ONLY.22 AR that implements the full AR15 manual of arms (except forward assist). I've also had a CMMG .22 (one of the mil-spec conversions, with dedicated upper). It is the closest so far; I could write a long novel about it, but in general the BHO device and upper/bolt design rock, their mags suck. I am currently running mine with massive mods to allow full use of our 15-22 mags (Last shot BHO and everything work perfect, using the 15-22 mags).

Working bolt catch (you can use a CMMG BHO adapter, or the just introduced Catch22, I have both). Last shot bolt hold open? Not on a Spikes. Well you could use a CMMG BHO on a Spikes upper, but until the Gen 2 CMMG BHO Mags come out (it's been next month for several months), you either have horrible mags or no last round bolt hold open. This has all always worked on the 15-22.

To me, the 15-22 is a reasonably priced full function .22 AR. The only one so far. Spikes makes really great looking partial function conversions. And I don't think they even sell them any more. If you want to be able to swap with mil-spec upper and lowers, look at CMMG, but understand you are entering the world of not quite done yet.

The 15-22 is full function and works. Now. Thats the great thing about it. Thats why we got ours shortly after it came out. If I had know what a mess the conversion world (the "mil-spec" world) was, I would have purchased a 2nd 15-22 rather than my CMMG. I've never considered a Spikes, to much cost, too little function.

If you want accuracy in a .22 AR, look at CMMG's option for Clint Beyer barrels. Once again CMMG rocks, but the current BHO mags suck.

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They are 2 styles of Performance Center 22,s under M&P Rifles on the Smith and Wesson website,,not under the performance center section..One has a fixed stock and the other one an adjustable stock. I shoot 1-11/2 groups at 40-50 yds with my M&P 15-22 A-1 Comp style..i spray Breakfree CLP around the chamber area,clean the bolt good and oil it with RedOil...Marine Corp shooting team oil,,but a coat of breakfree does good on the bolt,,coat with breakfree the bolt chamber,trigger section,blow out with air hose...i have 3-12 Simmons 50mm scope and tripod,nothing fancy,,,prob going on 6k-7k rounds with very little trouble..Fun to shoot and easy to breakdown and clean...i have a savage bull barrel but would rather shoot my M&P...i have the scope mounted on a AR carrying handle because i like my scope uphigh..it works for me..
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Performance Center Model --> Smith and Wesson M&P15-22 Performance Center 22 LR - SM170335 - LIPSEYS.COM
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I was interested in the 10 round performance center, or MOE models but S & w only list one part no. 811032 as california compliant. Why is that? I thought the "evil features" only applied to centerfire AR's. Does the cat no. 811032 have a bullet button?
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It,s not listed on Smith and Wesson in the Performance center.it,s listed under M&P Rifles, They have two...18" barrels instead of 16",two stage trigger..Matched chamber and matched barrel. On has a threaded barrel and adustable stock and the other one has a fixed Vitor and no threaded barrel
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Looked up the Performance center M&P 15-22. They are listed under M&P rifles,not Performance center..SKU: 170337 Fixed stock,SKU:170335 has a adjustable Vitor stock and Threaded barrel.Two stage trigger.
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SM170335
Smith and Wesson M&P15-22 Performance Center 22 LR
M&P15-22 PC 22LR 10RD THREADED
170335 PERFORMANCE CENTER
Lipsey's Item No:SM170335UPC No:022188703351MFG Model No:170335Family:M&P SeriesModel:M&P15-22 Performance CenterType:RifleAction:Semi-Auto Caliber:22 LRCapacity:10 Finish:Matte BlackStock:Collapsible / Folding StockStock Description:Vltor Collapsible StockSights:Adjustable Front & Rear Sights Barrel Length:18" Additional Info:Match Grade Barrel & ChamberAdditional Info:Threaded Barrel with CapAdditional Info:Quad Rail Handguard ...18" instead of 16" barrel with two stage match trigger...this ad is from Lipsey,s..i ordered on yesterday..
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I took the sku # from lipseys and then searched the S&W performance center site. No such animal as far as i can tell. Also, the 15-22 standard is advertised as having a match barrel. " M&P15-22
The M&P15 rifle line has expanded to now include the new M&P15-22. Chambered in .22LR, the M&P15-22 rifle is built with high strength polymer upper and lower receivers. This creates a reduced weight rifle that retains the looks and operating features of the standard M&P rifle.

1. 6 Position Collapsible Stock
2. Functioning Charging Handle
3. Adjustable Rear and Front Sights
4. Two-Position Receiver Mounted Safety Selector
5. Cartridge Case Deflector
6. Bolt Catch
7. Recessed Magazine Release Button
8. High Strength Polymer Magazine
9. Light Weight, High Strength Polymer Quad Rail Handguard
10. Match Grade Precision Barrel" This info is from S&W's site.

I just bought the MOE 15-22 for a lot less than almost $800 and it is sweet.
I think that it's just a typo in the ad perhaps.
Let me know if I'm shooting flyers here.
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Laney match chamber,match barrel,2 stage match trigger,18" barrel.
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i bought one last week ..if i can learn how to post pics i will..lol
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I just purchased one of these last night after specifically asking for the standard model. The model with the performance center is the Model A1 Style Comp version of the M&P15-22. In addition to having the Laney Match Chamber, it also has a A1-Style Compensator, which some of the models do not have. I have to say I was quite pissed off when I read that you can't use the CCI stingers in this model. The fact that the guy at the gun store not only sold me the wrong model but also sold me some stingers along with it has me a bit upset. The Laney Match Chamber in this model is going to give you better accuracy but less reliability according to my friend who is a gun expert. I am still undecided as to if I am going to keep this model or return it for the standard model. Here is the A1 model: Product: Model M&P15-22 - A1 Style Comp
This is not the Performance center 15-22,i have a A-1 style and a Performance Center 15-22...the performance center model number is 170335..the A-1 style model number is 811033..Both model numbers can be found in the M&P Rifle section
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see pic for PC 15-22. Wallacem in Ga
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^ do you realize this thread is 5 years old back when the PC model introduced?
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