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I am not seeing much about this paticular model. Can anyone enlighten me? Is it available? etc.
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I've never heard of it. Whats it supposed to be?
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Never heard of a "performance center" 15-22. They have two versions (or more?) of the 5.56 M&P15, is that what you are thinking of? Or is this something new?
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"Laney Match Chamber"
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The owners manual refers to the PC 15-22 and says not to use Stingers in them as they have a tighter, match chamber; Stingers are ok to use in the standard 15-22.
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Snake, do you have a copy of the manual?
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Sorry for bumping an older thread but I saw this in my manual too. I was just curious if anyone owned it, I never hear about it here.
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Go to Lipseys .com they list 15-22 performance model # 170335 . Has a Vltor stock . List price 769.00
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So is the "Performance Center" 15-22 made of better plastic?
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I took the sku # from lipseys and then searched the S&W performance center site. No such animal as far as i can tell. Also, the 15-22 standard is advertised as having a match barrel. " M&P15-22
The M&P15 rifle line has expanded to now include the new M&P15-22. Chambered in .22LR, the M&P15-22 rifle is built with high strength polymer upper and lower receivers. This creates a reduced weight rifle that retains the looks and operating features of the standard M&P rifle.

1. 6 Position Collapsible Stock
2. Functioning Charging Handle
3. Adjustable Rear and Front Sights
4. Two-Position Receiver Mounted Safety Selector
5. Cartridge Case Deflector
6. Bolt Catch
7. Recessed Magazine Release Button
8. High Strength Polymer Magazine
9. Light Weight, High Strength Polymer Quad Rail Handguard
10. Match Grade Precision Barrel" This info is from S&W's site.

I just bought the MOE 15-22 for a lot less than almost $800 and it is sweet.
I think that it's just a typo in the ad perhaps.
Let me know if I'm shooting flyers here.
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So is the "Performance Center" 15-22 made of better plastic?

Maybe it comes with a prepaid return sticker so you dont have to call them when it has to go back.
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Actually they went a step further and shot it at the Performance Center until it had an OOB. That way it's already blown up and been repaired, saves you the hassle. Well at least for the first OOB.
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It's designed to be more accurate for those who'd be using the rifle in competitions. Due to the change in chamber, it cannot run CCI Stingers. Maybe it'll turn it into a tack-driver....I know I'd like one, but for the price, my MOE fits the bill nicely. I can deal with my groups bein 1/2 inch to an inch bigger.
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Maybe it comes with a prepaid return sticker so you dont have to call them when it has to go back.
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What is this "Laney Match Chamber"? I can only find reference to centerfire rifles.

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Maybe aside from that "Laney Match Chamber" it also comes with a match grade trigger too like S&W performance pistols do
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I tried to go the the S&W page to contact them for details that set this model apart, but with my dial-up **** speed internet, I couldn't even load the first page, haha. Anyone wanna hit them up to see what they say, or link them to this thread and they can answer our questions here...???
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I just purchased one of these last night after specifically asking for the standard model. The model with the performance center is the Model A1 Style Comp version of the M&P15-22. In addition to having the Laney Match Chamber, it also has a A1-Style Compensator, which some of the models do not have. I have to say I was quite pissed off when I read that you can't use the CCI stingers in this model. The fact that the guy at the gun store not only sold me the wrong model but also sold me some stingers along with it has me a bit upset. The Laney Match Chamber in this model is going to give you better accuracy but less reliability according to my friend who is a gun expert. I am still undecided as to if I am going to keep this model or return it for the standard model. Here is the A1 model: Product: Model M&P15-22 - A1 Style Comp
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Why "can it not shoot Stingers"?


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Apparently the Laney Match Chamber will not accommodate the larger cases of the Stinger 22LR's. It specifically states through out the manual that if you use them it will destroy the chamber. All of the match chambers are built tighter. The smaller dimensions place the bullet exactly the same way every time which makes accuracy better. But they also have less room for error. If a bullet is over sized or is the gun gets dirty the chamber is too tight and the bullet won't chamber correctly. There is a list of suggested rounds for the gun in the manual. I am going to find out if I can use the CCI "velocitor" rounds with it. If I can't that might be a deal breaker for me. personally.
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Can you provide the link to this mysterious Laney Match Chamber?
Where does it say that you can't use the CCI stingers? They work great in mine.
I still cannot find a performance center model for the M&P 15-22 only the M&P 15 lists a performance center model.
The only difference between the models with the factory flash hider and the ones without a flash hider, is one has a flash hider and the other does not. And the SKU of course.
The MOE has its own Magpul Sights, Stock and Grip.
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.22 Long Rifle – Subsonic Hollow point (left). Standard Velocity (center), Hyper-Velocity "Stinger" Hollow point (right). File:.22 LR.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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If you go to the bottom of the CCI stinger page, in red it specifically states "Use only in firearms having standard ANSI sporting barrel/chamber dimensions."

CCI Ammunition - Product Detail

I posted a photo link above that shows the difference in their measurements. Laney is just the company that makes this particular type of Match Chamber. I haven't been able to find anything specific about the ones in the M& 15-22's on their site, but you may be able to contact them and ask about it.

here is a link for all of the M&P 15-22 models S&W has available. Note, the only model with the Laney Chamber (Performance Model) is the A1 Style Comp version:

M&P15-22<br>.22 LR - Smith & Wesson

If you are running stingers through this model, then ultimately you are going to be prone to more jams and probably wont do the chamber too good in the long run.

The model with the magpuls stock is this model here: Product: Model M&P15-22 MOE Rifle - Magpul Sights, Stock and Grip

That model has the standard ANSI sporting barrel/chamber dimensions that will accommodate the longer size of the CCI Stingers
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PS - Just to be clear: There is no Performance Model. The words "Performance Model" appears stamped on the side of the gun under the chamber. This particular model is listed on their site as the Model M&P15-22 - A1 Style Comp. Read my previous posts on this thread for more info on it.
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Can you provide the link to this mysterious Laney Match Chamber?
Where does it say that you can't use the CCI stingers? They work great in mine.
In my manual it states that no "stingers" in the performance model, a few times. Say's it's okay for the other 15-22's though.
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Upon closer inspection it appears this model also comes equipped with magpuls also: Product: M&P15-22 MOE Flat Dark Earth
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I have been to every page of every 15-22 and the word Performance does not exist on any of them. Nor does the word Laney. There is not even any mention about the chamber.
The stinger has a longer case .7 compared to .6 on standard high velocity loads. The overall length is virtually identical to the dozen different types of ammo I have for modeling purposes or well within tolerances. The diameter of the bullets and cases are within tolerances. The stinger has less bullet sticking out of the case with a slightly shorter primary and secondary seal ring .075 x .025 compared to .1 x .04. Vipers are .1 x .03
In the picture you provided, the round to the far left has almost the same distance from the tip to the sealing ring as the stinger to the far right. Mechanically, they should function the same.
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PS - Just to be clear: There is no Performance Model. The words "Performance Model" appears stamped on the side of the gun under the chamber. This particular model is listed on their site as the Model M&P15-22 - A1 Style Comp. Read my previous posts on this thread for more info on it.
Can you provide a picture? I can't visualize where the stamp is.
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In my manual it states that no "stingers" in the performance model, a few times. Say's it's okay for the other 15-22's though.
Do you have the .22LR adapter? The performance Center models are only listed for 5.56 mm NATO / .223
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Do you have the .22LR adapter? The performance Center models are only listed for 5.56 mm NATO / .223
A what now? haha. I just have a 15-22 MOE, non-performance model. DVA serial number I believe so the manual could be newer than yours? It just mentions that in there. Oh and the "performance center" stamp is on the right side of the rifle. Underneath the M&P 15-22 part if I remember correctly.
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Talked to S&W customer service just a minute ago and yes there will be a P C version coming out next month with a 18" fluted barrel and a match chamber for $769 retail. I didn't ask about the Stingers but I'll bet it's set up to shoot S V match ammo, spring and tolerance wise.

Keep your eyes out. Anyone want to buy a brand new MOE?

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From a previous post: There is no Performance Model. The words "Performance Center Model" appears stamped on the side of the gun under the chamber. This particular model is listed on their site as the Model M&P15-22 - A1 Style Comp.

I just purchased this "Performance Center Model" last night for $400.00 Check out my previous posts on this thread for the links.

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Pics of the Performance Center Model please.
Is it stamped in the metal or the polymer? Is it engraved, stamped, molded or melted in?
It sounds from JAV like it is on the outside of the magazine well, on the right hand side, below the M&P 15-22 markings.
Or is it under the chamber, on the breechblock where you have to remove the magazine or open the bolt to see it?
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Well, I for one must confess that I didn't read my new MOE standard grade 15-22's manual as I had just recently bought the pistol. Both are of course mechanically identical except the obvious stuff..length, grips, open sites..etc.

Lo and behold, there's all the info. on the Performance Center gun. But, that gun isn't out for sale into the middle of January, next year. So....I got to ask, do you guys actually have an advance prototype of these models? If you do, why would you be pissed? I'll trade you even up for your PC and my MOE. I actually paid just a little bit more but I'll take one for the team.

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From a previous post: There is no Performance Model. The words "Performance Center Model" appears stamped on the side of the gun under the chamber. This particular model is listed on their site as the Model M&P15-22 - A1 Style Comp.

I just purchased this "Performance Center Model" last night for $400.00 Check out my previous posts on this thread for the links.
How can you have a rifle that doesnt exist yet? Please post pictures of your performance center model. It has a fluted 18" barrel and match chamber? We all would like to see it.
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The M&P 15-22 Performance Center Model A.K.A. A1 Style Comp is stamped right under the ejector port (if that's the right word...where the shell flies out). It is equipped with a 22lr Laney Semi-Auto Match Chamber.

My MOE was made a couple months ago in October and all this is listed in the manual. Must be updated manual. And if you got one for $400, I'd imagine that is a SMOKIN deal and we NEED to see a pic of that rifle and the stamp...... And if that guys boss finds out he sold one for so cheap, he's gonna get spanked.

Also, the manual states that failure to use recommended ammo may cause jams, ftf's or even generate enough excessive pressure which can damage, or even rupture your firearm causing injury, death and or property damage.

Don't play with fire kids, there's a reason this warning is in there. And honestly, Stingers are way more pricey than even Mini Mags so that sure wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. But hey, if you'd rather the standard version to shoot Stingers, albeit less accurate, I'm very sure someone will trade you in a heartbeat.

I would love to have one of those with my MOE stuff on it....it'd keep me from getting a 10/22 to play with too as I wanna tack driver to play with also.

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How can you have a rifle that doesnt exist yet? Please post pictures of your performance center model. It has a fluted 18" barrel and match chamber? We all would like to see it.
Next month is the 18 inch barrel version for $769 and man is that gonna be sweet. Spendy, but sweet. Talk about a tack driver. The current Performance Center Model has a 16" with A1 Compensator, just like the MOE and standard compensator model and the MSRP on it is $519.

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Earlier this year a Forum member posted pics of a 1522-P from some sales advertisement. Several folks posted in reply there was no such thing and it must be a fake because it wasn't listed anywhere on the S&W web site. I don't know anything about a PC 1522, but I do know that S&W web site isn't necessarily current nor are the folks who work at S&W CS. Just sayin.....
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Next month is the 18 inch barrel version for $769 and man is that gonna be sweet. Spendy, but sweet. Talk about a tack driver. The current Performance Center Model has a 16" with A1 Compensator, just like the MOE and standard compensator model and the MSRP on it is $519.
The A-1 Comp version is not a Performance Center model. I don't know why that's been said in this thread several times. It has nothing different from the MOE or non-threaded version, save the muzzle device. The A-1 Comp is purely cosmetic on these guns to make it look more like a normal AR and to give you one more option to attach a suppressor or your favorite AR muzzle device.

The only mention we've seen is that some people's manuals are coming with instructions for the PC model included, and it apparently has an image on the front of a gun with a different stock (VLTOR EMOD?), a bull barrel, the short 10 round magazine, "Performance Center" written on the upper below the ejection port, and IIRC different sights.
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How can you have a rifle that doesnt exist yet? Please post pictures of your performance center model. It has a fluted 18" barrel and match chamber? We all would like to see it.
Yes please. Without pics or documentation, it doesn't exist.
We need pics of this Performance Center rifle you have. Or at least of the page in your owners manual on the Performance Center gun.
And of the page that states Laney Semi-Auto Match Chamber.
Hobie1, rsatori, VooDuuChild
At least with the pistol version, when somebody got one, they posted pictures. Theres not even fotochop ones of the PC model.
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I do however have the manual that has the operating info for both my standard and the PC. In it, it does speak of the Laney match chamber and not to use Stingers with it. As for the PC gun being available right now, no it's not unless you're hooked up with someone way inside S&W's team. I called my local S&W distributor(Gil Hebard Guns, Knoxville, IL) and they just got the info from S&W last week along with a spec sheet. I'll go retrieve the spec sheet and any other info that they will give me and post it here when I can. Honestly, I think this whole thing has snowballed due to some mis-understandings or mis-leading, intentional or not,statements.

Film at 11....

One other thing, the comment was made pertaining to the veracity of the S&W customer service people. Have anyone had bad experiences with them giving out in-correct information? Just curious.

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Well, I for one must confess that I didn't read my new MOE standard grade 15-22's manual as I had just recently bought the pistol. Both are of course mechanically identical except the obvious stuff..length, grips, open sites..etc.

Lo and behold, there's all the info. on the Performance Center gun. But, that gun isn't out for sale into the middle of January, next year. So....I got to ask, do you guys actually have an advance prototype of these models? If you do, why would you be pissed? I'll trade you even up for your PC and my MOE. I actually paid just a little bit more but I'll take one for the team.

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Lo and behold, there's all the info. on the Performance Center gun. Can you take a picture or scan the page with that info?
And the page that speaks of the Laney match chamber and not to use Stingers with it.
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I just bought the A1 model a month ago. No "performance center" on the rifle or in the manual. No mention of Laney or anything else. It's the base model with the compensator on the end, nothing more.
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I'll take a pic of the page in the manual and post it, but don't wanna get in trouble, would it be ok to post up? My bad on the differences in A1 vs PCM.

My MOE was just made a couple months ago (october) and the info is in the updated manual.

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Ok, got permission to post the pic of the pages, but I gotta go get my boy. If someone hasn't done it before I get back, I'll try later.
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It looks like the PCM has a different stock, grip and trigger. Maybe a different rear sight, but it could be the lighting. And the handguard looks like it comes with ladders installed.
Can't really tell from the pic, but the barrel looks like it might have straight flutes and is maybe a little longer too.
Still can't find a "Laney Chamber" reference for a .22LR. Maybe it's something S&W made up for marketing.
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Well I'll be. Learn something new every day. If you're lucky that is.
It looks like the PCM has a different stock, grip and trigger. Maybe a different rear sight, but it could be the lighting. And the handguard looks like it comes with ladders installed.
Can't really tell from the pic, but the barrel looks like it might have straight flutes and is maybe a little longer too.
Still can't find a "Laney Chamber" reference for a .22LR. Maybe it's something S&W made up for marketing.
I think the sight is different but it is a little hard to tell. The barrel looks longer to me too, dunno what "straight flutes" are though hehe.
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The different styles of fluted barres shown are;
Straight, Helical and Snake. They lighten the barrel and change the harmonics.
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The different styles of fluted barres shown are;
Straight, Helical and Snake. They lighten the barrel and change the harmonics.
Harmonics? Like my shots can be musical?

I see a Christmas carol done w/ different fluted barrels. Like those stupid barking dog ones, but with gunshots.
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