fde and dnl videos

[Eclark3d]

damn, 2nd post and its already a double post.


hey all, first time post. i bought my 15-22 on the 28nov and get to pick it up on the 8dec, yippee. this is my first long gun, i currently have a springfield xd and a remington 870.

anywho, after looking thru the forums, i am a bit concerned about all the fde and dnl (did not load??) that people seem to be getting. looking at the invoice, it seems mine is a newer (i hope) duu serial number magpul version, so hopefully that fixes some of the issues.

i understand that the guns hates remington ammo (with a passion it seems), so ill be sticking with cci it seems.

but onto my question, i looked thru the videos section and didnt see it, if it is there sorry for asking,

but are there any videos on to clear a fde??

thanks in advance

[Rustpot]

FDE is short for Flat Dark Earth, which is what companies like Magpul call their tan color.

FTF and FTE are failures to feed/fire and failures to eject. A failure to feed is the same as failure to load. With either you're left with a gun no longer ready to fire. either from a live round stuck in the breach or an empty case stuck in the breach.

The easiest way to clear the jam is to lock the bolt to the rear, remove the magazine, rack the bolt 2-3 times, and visually inspect that the rifle is clear. Reinsert the magazine, charge it, resume firing.

You can look up videos for clearing jams or malfunctions with ARs. The manual of arms is the same, as is the procedure to clear. The only thing I would advise against is doing SPORTS or tap-rack-bang - both of which are more for trying to get the rifle shooting faster, and with a new rifle it's more important to know how it's failing to best determine WHY it's failing.

Keeping track of what ammo you're using, what magazine was in the gun, what the round count is on the gun total and since cleaning, and how the gun failed will all help diagnose issues down the road.

[Eclark3d]

well thanks for looking, otherwise since i used the wrong terminology no one would have looked.

for some reason i was thinking fde was "fired did not eject"

thanks again for posting

[chuck s]

FTF and FTE are best spelled out!

Failure to Feed is far different from Failure to Fire; Failure to Extract is far different from Failure to Eject.

Note a Failure to Extract is nearly impossible with a blow back type weapon unless there's no powder in the case. The extractor doesn't pull the case out, it's driven out of the chamber by the pressure that sends the bullet out the other end. My Beretta Tomcat pistol, for example, doesn't even have an extractor.

All the "fixes" are simple and here. Loss of the ejector, from an out of battery firing requires sending the rifle to S&W (an no expense but time for anyone) for repair.

-- Chuck

[scanner]

Originally Posted by Rustpot

FDE is short for Flat Dark Earth, which is what companies like Magpul call their tan color.

FTF and FTE are failures to feed/fire and failures to eject. A failure to feed is the same as failure to load. With either you're left with a gun no longer ready to fire. either from a live round stuck in the breach or an empty case stuck in the breach.

The easiest way to clear the jam is to lock the bolt to the rear, remove the magazine, rack the bolt 2-3 times, and visually inspect that the rifle is clear. Reinsert the magazine, charge it, resume firing.

You can look up videos for clearing jams or malfunctions with ARs. The manual of arms is the same, as is the procedure to clear. The only thing I would advise against is doing SPORTS or tap-rack-bang - both of which are more for trying to get the rifle shooting faster, and with a new rifle it's more important to know how it's failing to best determine WHY it's failing.

Keeping track of what ammo you're using, what magazine was in the gun, what the round count is on the gun total and since cleaning, and how the gun failed will all help diagnose issues down the road.

While firing always be on the alert for any changes in the weapons cycle of operations. If you notice any audible or kinetic changes in the cycle:

1. STOP firing immediately. Keep the muzzle pointed down range.
2. Put the weapon on safe if possible.
3. Remove the magazine.
4. Lock the bolt to the rear.
5. Put the weapon on safe now if you could not before.
6. Safely inspect the chamber.
7. CAREFULLY remove the obstruction.
8. Remember, rimfired rounds will fire if you strike, smash, or crush, or pound them with the bolt.

Shoot safely.

[Rustpot]

Originally Posted by scanner

7. CAREFULLY remove the obstruction.
8. Remember, rimfired rounds will fire if you strike, smash, or crush, or pound them with the bolt.

Shoot safely.

That's a good point. I've never had a rimfire round be hit with enough force to set off the primer when trying to clear, but I have had the round mangled by either the bullet getting chewed up or the case getting bent. This is part of how I was taught to clear a firearm, by double and triple checking and ensuring no round is escaping your vision and the extractor/ejector.

I've always treated my rimfires like centerfires in this regard and when making absolutely sure they're empty (before putting them away at the range or taking them out at home) I rack the slide/bolt/action at least twice to ensure nothing's hiding. It's also become almost a ritual after I picked up a gun I was about to dry fire it and noticed a magazine was in, only to rack the slide and find a round chambered!

[Eclark3d]

thanks guys for the notes, i pick up the weapon saturday, but i dont think i will be able to go to the the range this weekend. plus i want to watch the videos on the video thread before i go.

[chuck s]

It's also become almost a ritual after I picked up a gun I was about to dry fire it and noticed a magazine was in, only to rack the slide and find a round chambered!

This has happened to us all, but it should be a ritual (not almost a ritual). Step one in checking a weapon is to remove the magazine. Rack the slide only after the magazine has been removed. The 15-22 is no exception.

On the failure to feed issue I just keep a pencil notation on the magazine to weed out the troublesome mags.

-- Chuck

[Rustpot]

Originally Posted by chuck s

This has happened to us all, but it should be a ritual (not almost a ritual). Step one in checking a weapon is to remove the magazine. Rack the slide only after the magazine has been removed. The 15-22 is no exception.

On the failure to feed issue I just keep a pencil notation on the magazine to weed out the troublesome mags.

-- Chuck

Right. I picked up a pistol after a trip to the range to do some dry fire practice. I noticed there was a magazine in the gun, so I dropped it out, racked the slide, and a round popped out (mag was empty). I don't keep the guns loaded in the house except when they're in a very specific location, I have no idea how it got brought home loaded either since I always check them before they get cased up.

This was a few years ago and hadn't been too long since I had bought my first gun in college. Ever since then I check the chamber on my guns when I handle them, even if I set it down 10 minutes ago.

I bought a chamber flag for my 15-22 with my last MidwayUSA order. I definitely need to get into the habit of flagging a cleared gun, especially at the range. I wish more guns came with them (one of the 4 pistols I've owned did, and no long guns).

[UpstateNY]

Originally Posted by Rustpot

I bought a chamber flag for my 15-22 with my last MidwayUSA order. I definitely need to get into the habit of flagging a cleared gun, especially at the range. I wish more guns came with them (one of the 4 pistols I've owned did, and no long guns).

When I purchased my 15-22 it did not come with a chamber flag, but once I got it back from repair, S&W had provided me with one. They are definitely handy to have!