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Saw it at Gander Mountain this week but I was very scared to buy it due to the awfulness of the winchester 555 pack I bought. I didn't want to buy 1000 rounds and have the same problems
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I haven't tried any Winchester yet. I have read about good and bad experiences people have had with their .22lr ammo. I think it is interesting that they are jumping on the "tactical" rimfire bandwagon... I would hope that if they are going to make ammo for the AR platform .22 that they would have addressed the issues people have been having.
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Yea I have also read good and bad reviews of winchester 555. For me it seemed like the brass was just too soft so my extractor wasn't able to get a hold of it when the case was in the chamber. So I ended up have double feeds ever other round.
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hopefully since they are round nose and lubed they'll feed better and not foul up the barrel. since it's winchester i certainly wouldn't pick up more than 1 box for testing.. i only made it about 1/2 way through the 555 before it fouled up my barrel and caused major accuracy (and cleaning) issues.
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From the looks it may be decent. Lubed, copper plated, round nose, 40 grain. Looks to compete with the CCI Tactical, which is a great round. If that Winchester M-22 came in boxes of 50 I'd love to test a couple boxes before jumping on a case of 1000...
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I can't understand why some people bad mouth the Winchester hollow points. Those copper plated 36gr. hollow points give me the best accuracy of any round I have tried- 3/4" three shot groups at 50 yds are common. As my skills have improved, I am now experencing some 3 shot one hole groups. I have not seen that with other ammo. I have had maby one or two failures to feed. I love that ammo!
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I just bought a 333 box of Winchester at Wal Mart. Almost done with the box and not one FTF or FTE. Works just as good as the Federal bulk in my 15-22.
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I had a box in my hand as well when I was at Gander Mountain this weekend (buying my 15-22p), but I put it back because I hadn't heard any reviews and I didn't see the price. I shoot SuperX HP's in my 15-22 and it has been an excellent performer for me. We need a guinea pig!
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I had a box in my hand as well when I was at Gander Mountain this weekend (buying my 15-22p), but I put it back because I hadn't heard any reviews and I didn't see the price. I shoot SuperX HP's in my 15-22 and it has been an excellent performer for me. We need a guinea pig!
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That's really odd cuz I also didn't see a price anywhere on the shelf which also turned me away
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It's like they got in in and just threw it up there with the other .22 bulk. The Super X we shoot is rated at 1280 with a 40gr hp bullet. I was checking online and its looking like the price for the M-22 is around $50 for 1000 rounds (maybe an hours worth the way we shoot). $.05 a shot would be nice if the performance is on par with the Super X cause that is like $.07 a shot. I just really like the way the Super X feels when you shoot it. The CCI MiniMag was just as reliable, and often cheaper, but it just seems like the Super X hits a little harder and cracks a little louder, and when you are plinking that just seems to make it more fun.
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I'd be willing to try out one of these in a smaller quantity. I've gone through some Winchester Super-X 1300fps HV rounds and their 333 box to much success. The hollowpoint 333's are surprisingly a very accurate round on par if not better than CCI minimags. My gun loves the stuff and hates the Federal Bulk box. I found a walmart with some leftover 555 boxes so I'll see if they're just as good for my gun or not.
I guess that's the other 'fun' thing about these semi-auto 22's huh, the whole search for its favorite ammo. Everyone has a different selection of them.
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just ordered a box of these, and a box of federal spitfire shipped free from gander mountain. I'll post how they are once they arrive...
if this stuff is no good it'll be the last winchester 22lr purchase i make.
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Bought a box today. Will go to the range in the morning. What is Black copper coating? Look alot like Remington Thunderbolt.
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Bought a box today. Will go to the range in the morning. What is Black copper coating? Look alot like Remington Thunderbolt.
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just did a little reading, i think it's a chemical finish on the copper that allows the lube to adhere better to the plating on the bullet.
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"Bit the bullet" and bought a box while picking up my 15-22p today. $49.95 at Gander Mountain. I hope they shoot good cause I got 1000 of them! Just for reference, the big box contains 2 smaller boxes of 500. The projectiles look like the wildcats, but the brass is stamped Super X.
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Today I shot about 400 rounds of M-22. I had no FTE, and one FTF that fired the second time through. Groups were as tight as the AR tactical I brought along to compare. Wierd thing was their point of impact was slightly right of where the AR tactical would hit, but not enough to adjust the sights at 50 yards. At 25 yards they were on top of one and other. The M-22 also is alot cleaner to shoot.
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Sounds like a winner! I will report in when I shoot mine this weekend. I like the fact that it shoots a lot cleaner. I shot about 300 golden bullet through my gun just to get rid of it and that stuff shot okay, but was it dirty!
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sounds sweet. i should have mine tomorrow. if it's just as smooth loading, accurate, cleaner and cheaper than cci tactical it's a winner for sure.
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Sounds like I might have to order some of this stuff. It looks promising...
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just got back from the range, fired a brick of 500... i do like this ammo for the price, but i did find them to actually be smokey, and hot. i'll still say cci tactical is my fav ammo, but these are definitely top 3 of what i would choose to buy in bulk.
i did have 1 round that wouldn't fire even with multiple clean notches hammered into the rim.
still 499 rounds of winchester for the same price as 375 cci isn't a bad deal.
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Have any of you guys shot the various brands of ammo in a dynamic shooting environment? Run and gun? What has worked best for you? I shoot TAC rifle locally and want to give my M&P 15-22 a run this weekend.
I just put some Magpul MBUS on and a Vortex Strikefire RD on this week. I'm gonna zero with Federal Auto-match and cowitness the RD.
I've had no issues with Federal bulk 550 or Auto-match or CCI mini mags. Curious to see which will run the best is a fast moving dynamic shooting arena. We shoot six stages with a minimum 40 rounds a stage, total rounds usually around 250.
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i did just start cleaning things up, and i can say, while this seemed dirtier when firing, the residue seems to be finer, and easier to remove compared to my typical 550 round session of federal.
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I can't understand why some people bad mouth the Winchester hollow points. Those copper plated 36gr. hollow points give me the best accuracy of any round I have tried- 3/4" three shot groups at 50 yds are common. As my skills have improved, I am now experencing some 3 shot one hole groups. I have not seen that with other ammo. I have had maby one or two failures to feed. I love that ammo!
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Same here brother. I've yet to try the "tac" ammo, but I have tried most brands you can buy in bulk, and the 555 is without doubt the most accurate and just as reliable as anything else I've tried. They also don't seem to foul the barrel or reciever any worse than other brands, but then again, I clean my rifle after I shoot, so this hasn't been a problem either.
I'm looking forward to trying the new ammo, and I do appreciate the reviews guys.
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i have yet to find any ammo that my gun does not like. Chews them up spits them out. Ive got just shy of 3k rounds and ive only had 3-4 failure to fires and maybe 3 failure to eject. Ive shot some OLD .22 ammo though this thing aswell with no issues.
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you guys are lucky.. mine generally isn't too picky, but i didn't make it half way through the 555 box. the hollow tip seemed too pronounced, and easily buckled while feeding. i clean my gun after every 5-700 rounds (every time i fire it basically) and have never before, or since had to tap a brush through (it got stuck.. it was bad.) to remove large deposits of lead like i did with 555. for me personally $5 a box extra is a small price to pay for not having to spend 2 hours removing lead.
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you guys are lucky.. mine generally isn't too picky, but i didn't make it half way through the 555 box. the hollow tip seemed too pronounced, and easily buckled while feeding. i clean my gun after every 5-700 rounds (every time i fire it basically) and have never before, or since had to tap a brush through (it got stuck.. it was bad.) to remove large deposits of lead like i did with 555. for me personally $5 a box extra is a small price to pay for not having to spend 2 hours removing lead.
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the 555's were no where near as dirty as the remingtons that i shot for the heck of it. And IMO they are on par with the fedral bulk.
I have shot a few hundred rounds of CCI minimags but cant justify the price of them, compared to the other bulk ammo.
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win 555 works fine for me.....3 ftf in a a box.
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600 rounds through our 15-22 rifle yesterday and NO failures at all. Not to mention, lots of nice compliments on the rifle.
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I finally dropped the $$$ on a double brick of M-22. Factoring in performance, price, etc, this is probably the best 22lr ammo for semi-autos on the market right now. It shot great in my 15-22, yes it's hot and a little smoky but I like that. Thing is my 15-22 will shoot just about anything, but it's range companion, my GSG 1911-22, is a little more picky. Weak rounds from Fed bulk pack will cause it to hiccup. It performed superbly with M-22 today. Positive cycling and the best accuracy of any 22 ammo I have tried in it so far.
The price increase over Fed bulk pack is the only downside with this ammo. But if you decide to try M-22 you will not be disappointed.
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I ran four mags today (100rds) without any failures. Very clean.
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We did another 600 rounds this past weekend, and I regret to report that we did have ONE round which didn't fire on the first strike. So far that makes 1199 bangs to 1 hiccup.
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We did another 600 rounds this past weekend, and I regret to report that we did have ONE round which didn't fire on the first strike. So far that makes 1199 bangs to 1 hiccup.
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Only 99.9167% good? Dealbreaker. I'm out. (obviously joking) Is it really that much better than bulk ammo? I only use my rifle for cheap plinking around, and don't really feel like ordering it online when I can get similar priced ammo in a Wal-mart. If they carried it at a local shop, I would definitely get it.
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Only 99.9167% good? Dealbreaker. I'm out. (obviously joking) Is it really that much better than bulk ammo? I only use my rifle for cheap plinking around, and don't really feel like ordering it online when I can get similar priced ammo in a Wal-mart. If they carried it at a local shop, I would definitely get it.
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So far it doesn't do anything better than Wally World bulk Federals for me. I'm trying a brick but can't see switching from the cheaper Federals anytime soon.
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i got 3000rounds of these $110 at Scheels this past week...apperantly everyone wasnt sure about it there either and they are 'closing it out' @ $33/ 1000
had great luck with the first 500--NO FTF and 1 FTE probably because the gun was filthy
i reccommend it--but glad nobody bought it! 3000 rounds wont last long around here though lol
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I finally dropped the $$$ on a double brick of M-22. Factoring in performance, price, etc, this is probably the best 22lr ammo for semi-autos on the market right now. It shot great in my 15-22, yes it's hot and a little smoky but I like that. Thing is my 15-22 will shoot just about anything, but it's range companion, my GSG 1911-22, is a little more picky. Weak rounds from Fed bulk pack will cause it to hiccup. It performed superbly with M-22 today. Positive cycling and the best accuracy of any 22 ammo I have tried in it so far.
The price increase over Fed bulk pack is the only downside with this ammo. But if you decide to try M-22 you will not be disappointed.
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That is one of the things I love about the M-22 ammo. For the most part I only shoot .22lr and when I go to the range I will have a couple semi-autos with me. This one round will go through all of my weapons and allow the action to perform flawlessly. My Puma PPS22 is an absolute pain with ammo, and even though the recommended round is above 1300fps at the muzzle, it will cycle the m-22's like a champ. Cheaper than dirt has 2000 rounds at $75 bucks right now too. That's pretty inexpensive for what I think is a great round.
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saw this ammo at cabelas the other day, it is a bit cheaper than the winchester super x that im currently shooting so i think i will grab a box next week and see how it goes.
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Saw some at Bass Pro today for 49.99 per 1000
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So far it seems to work well for me in my Buckmarks and AR15-22 steel raceguns. going to try it in a match this weekend.
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M-22 is on sale at Gander Mountian for 34.99 for the 1000 round box.
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I can't understand why some people bad mouth the Winchester hollow points. Those copper plated 36gr. hollow points give me the best accuracy of any round I have tried- 3/4" three shot groups at 50 yds are common. As my skills have improved, I am now experencing some 3 shot one hole groups. I have not seen that with other ammo. I have had maby one or two failures to feed. I love that ammo![/QUOTE]
Every gun is different my 15-22 hates winchester & remington golden bullets ammo loves federal bulk,cci,remington subsonics my friends 15-22 does not like federal or cci eats winchester and remington like skittles
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Of the first 200 rounds I ran through my 15-22, 100 were CCI, the second 100 were M22. The M22's had NO hiccups and great accuracy at 25 yards. I'll have to stop by Gander Mountain and see if they have any more boxes at that 34.99 price. I bought my box from Dick's Sporting Goods for 49.99.
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I purchased a 1000 rd. box of the Winchester M-22 back in Nov. of last year from Gander Mtn. for $39.99 & so far I have put about 500 rds. down range with no problems. I basically buy ammo any time I find it on sale so I don't particularly have a favorite brand because my 15-22 pretty much eats anything
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Purchased the 1,000 round box of this ammunition. Shot 200 rounds so far through a M&P 22 and 300 rounds through an AR 15-22. No FTF or FTE adn it seems pretty consistent.
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There are several threads about Winchester M-22 in the forum over on AR15.com. Generally the concensus appears to be that it is cleaner than most other bulk ammo and about equal in accuracy and reliability.
At just under five cents a round, the price isn't outstanding but seems reasonable. Personally I think Winchester would have been better off introducing this new ammo with a 50 or 100 round box so people could try before committing to a 1000 round box.
Apparently you can sometimes find it being sold in 500 round boxes at gun shows -- the Winchester 1000 round package really has two 500 round boxes inside but Winchester only sells it as the 1000 round box and as 5 boxes to a case.
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I purchased 1,000 rounds of the M-22 to see how it compared to CCI Tactical...
No problems feeding or firing - but the Tactical was definitely more accurate @ 50 yards, much tighter groups - I was surprised because everyone was reporting the M-22 to be just as accurate.
I shot 200 rounds of Tactical, followed by 200 rounds of M-22. I then ran a bore-snake through to clean the barrel and did the same test with the M-22 first, followed by the Tactical.
Both tests gave the same results: the CCI Tactical had tighter groups... I think I'll pay the extra 1-2 cents per round and get the more accurate ammo!
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Majorlk will verbally abuse me if I shoot Winchester products thru my 15 22 so I ain't getting any.
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There are several threads about Winchester M-22 in the forum over on AR15.com. Generally the concensus appears to be that it is cleaner than most other bulk ammo and about equal in accuracy and reliability.
At just under five cents a round, the price isn't outstanding but seems reasonable. Personally I think Winchester would have been better off introducing this new ammo with a 50 or 100 round box so people could try before committing to a 1000 round box.
Apparently you can sometimes find it being sold in 500 round boxes at gun shows -- the Winchester 1000 round package really has two 500 round boxes inside but Winchester only sells it as the 1000 round box and as 5 boxes to a case.
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Yes I agree with you as I won't spend my hard earned $$ for 1000 rounds just for the 15-22 and just to find out that my rifle does not like it. Now if it was sold in 100 round boxes I would give it a shot. I just don't want to be stuck with it and having to use it in my revolver or bolt action (when both of those are very accurate with the cheap stuff)
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Do you guys only own one .22?
I have a Colt .22 that'll digest anything. Anything my other guns don't like gets used in that.
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Originally Posted by Kayback
Do you guys only own one .22?
I have a Colt .22 that'll digest anything. Anything my other guns don't like gets used in that.
KBK
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Yes I own a few different 22s (other than the 15-22) but for what I use them for I don't need to spend more when the cheap stuff works perfectly fine in them (and for me prints acceptable groups). So I look at it as if I am wasting x amount of money if I buy rounds just for a particular gun and that gun does not like it.
So in the case of the M22 which is 5.5 cents a round and I know all my guns eat CCI Blazer that is 3.5 cents a round (both local prices) I am wasting 2 cents a round if my 15-22 doesn't like it. That is $20 which equates to 571 rounds of Blazer.
I just don't want to gamble with 1000 rounds because if it doesn't work in my 15-22 I would feel like I wasted $20. Just like I won't waste $25 of 375 rounds of CCI Tactical.
Now I will waste a $7 or so on 100 rounds to try it out just to satisfy my curiosity.
I guess it all comes down on how you look at it.
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