I've have a mostly-full box of John Wayne collector's .45LC, from once upon a time when that was the only box of .45 LC for sale in a store, and I had a new SAA to shoot. Each round even has "Duke" stamped on the base of the cartridge, opposite .45LC. I reeeeeeally like the idea of having a box or two of 'WWZ' 9mm or 5.56! hmmm collectable ammo, kinda like collectable firearms.... not a bad idea




(Edit) The price-tagger clerk must have been in a bad mood that day eh?

I'll stick with my sidearm 45ACP XD and my Machette

i have always believed that a suppressed high cap .22 would be the best Zombie weapon

Sure suppressed would be good but I'm thinking I'd have to make sure I'm mighty close to get that .22 to enter the noggin and rattle around a little to scramble me some zombie brains. Now take that .22 and add a 3 at the end and I'd feel a whole lot better!

Pretty much, i love this little .22..... but i'm grabbing big brother for the zombies.

How's this?

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i think i would use all the wepons i have at my disposal;
.40 px4 storm
p95 ruger
sig mosquito
sp101
8mm mauser
12g winchester pump
escort 12 g pump
15-22
10-22
model 60 marlin
20 g h&r single shot
and super old school t-barker 12g.......after that machte time!

Uh-Huh, go ahead and don all that gear and post the pic!...don't forget you need ammo for all those blasters also!

Huh? It was an old lever action Winchester, in 44/40 if I remember right. In some cuts of the film you can see the ammo box, old Federal labeling.

I never read the 15-22 section- simply because I don't own one. Never saw the thread until it was linked to in the lounge.

For classic "movie" zombies it actually a relatively small part of the brain that had to be destroyed. This was shown in "Day of the Dead" where they had a zombie skull cut down and most of the brain gone. A .22LR round bouncing around in the gray mushy stuff wouldn't likely do that. Sure it might destroy the ability to do math, but with the classic Romero zombies.... they don't have higher brain functions anyway.

The actual spot that you need to hit in a human brain for instant incapacitation is about the size of a dime. Targets marketed to precision marksmen (aka snipers) in LEO actually feature this. LE precision work involves a centerfire rifle of close tolerances, good optics, and ranges under 100 yards.

Assuming diseased humans - there really were shuffling zombie sorts amongst survivors of the 1918 flu pandemic, but they didn't eat people - the first question would be the rules of engagement. People walk around with various potentially contagious diseases now, some blood borne, but we don't shoot them. Legal aspects of dealing with "zombies" would be more complicated than you think. If anything allowed a disease of this type to spread, that would be what did it.

Anyway... back to hardware. A .22LR, even from a rifle, is not going to reliably penetrate a human skull at all angles. Human skulls are actually rather durable, and some people do literally have harder heads than others. For a normal living human having a .22LR get into the gray squishy stuff is normally bad news, but not necessarily fatal or even immediately incapacitating.

At one point during the Iraq conflict, when the Marines first got the ACOG, there was actually an investigation as to why so many insurgents were turning up dead from headshots. The fear was that prisoners were being executed. It turned out that this wasn't the case. The ACOG was simply allowing the Marines to make precise headshots even under combat conditions.

Most people aren't trained as well as Marines of course.

If playing at being light infantry it actually isn't your ammo load that will drop most people, unless they are carrying 20 or more mags. It is the weight of body armor, food, water, and other various items that becomes a problem. (Circa 2003/2004 members of the 101st Abn in Afghanistan found themselves mobility limited on foot because of the simple weight of all their gear.)

One problem with the AR in centerfire guise is that they are officially rated at a sustained rate of fire of perhaps 100rds a minute tops. That might be optimistic. Sustained firing will heat up the weapon and cause a loss of accuracy and even possible damage to the weapon.

I suppose someone could invent an ersatz water cooled bbl shroud upper, something like an old Maxim gun. A water cooled MG of circa WW1 tech like the Vickers gun can actually fire essentially indefinitely btw. (The Brits in a test kept one running straight out for well over 100,000 rds.)

Pistol caliber carbines will increase hit probability compared to a handgun, but they are going to lack the range and penetration of a rifle round. Long story short - head wounds or any other kind of wound from a centerfire rifle is far more damaging.

If someone wants to use a suppressor - which can also eliminate muzzle flash and protect their hearing of course - keep in mind that most have a finite life, require extra care and maintenance, and generally even the best ones can cause at least some slight reduction in reliable operation of a weapon.

So anyway... if you want the ultimate zombie killer, I suppose the answers is a Vickers gun, tripod, lots of water cans and ammo belts, and perhaps try putting modern optics on one. For off the shelf purchases? For most people it is probably going to be a well made AR, AK, FAL clone, M1A or whatever they personally can afford and know how to use. Relatively expensive ruggedized optics of the sort sold for military applications would make whatever gun was chosen more effective.

Having good armor and rifle plates is actually more important than the above choice. If you're out shooting zombies, chances are that other people will likely have the same idea so a fair amount of errant projectiles would and mistaken identity shootings would likely be more of a threat than the actual zombies. (Don't believe me? Ever hunted public land on the first day of deer season? Now remove the bag limit, game regulations, and have the prey look and walk like you... yeah, it wouldn't be fun...)

Or... yeah... Just get a Krag and learn to use the magazine cut off and fill ammo can after ammo can with reloads. Brass lasts a long time. Not much recoil. Old aftermarket rear apeture sights make hitting easy and they were designed to fire volleys into crowds of hostile natives all day long.

Down side is that engaging multiple targets at close range becomes a bit problematic if they are moving at more than a shuffle.

You got my vote.... Here one for the books, "Are you afraid of the big tough guy with a .50 cal. or the small skinny dude with a Ruger 22".. I would bet the skinny dude is a professional hit man because the 22 in the right hand is deadly and quiet.. For paper Zombies, Yea, for real, I'll use my Spike Tactical AR15 5.56... Keep them in the ZERO!

my 870 police mag. w/ 4 shot ext. speed feed 4 shell butt stock and 6 shell side saddle. 00 buck i'st been ceracoated so blood and guts wont upset it. no need for long range, or to close. also need my x-d .45 with all my extra 13 rounders in a courrier bag, just in case...

I think the 15-22 would do a good job, think back to last weeks walking dead episode when they were on top of the RV and about 75 walkers were coming. You could sit tight and pick those guys off at 20 yards all day long. The idea of having enough .223 is tough for me, its expensive, and you would need alot of it. The thought of raiding the wal mart to load up wont work, they never have **** for ammo, you might get 200 rounds from wally world if your lucky, and everyone else will be doing the same, on the other hand, I probably have 5000 rnds of of .22 in the safe. Same episode, trying to take out zombies chasing girl through woods. Supressed .22 saves the day, screw it on, take em out, screw it off. Of course I would have my XD .45 on my hip also, but for the mass slow walking zombies, even two in the head should do it. How about Stingers? Or maybe a nice 15-22 in .22 Mag.

I have another thread in the forum with various bullet tests and chronograph data. Both the Stingers and Velocitors were very good performers.

Awesome, Ill check it out.

I would prefer to use stealth, but if you have to have a gun, a semi auto shotgun or 308 will do.

Here is the link
Ammo testing w/ Chrono Data

IMO, nobody can really be for sure how a .22 round will take out a zombie when shot directly in the head. My guess is that it make take a double or triple tap to the head of a zombie to drop it for good with a .22LR firearm.

That doesn't mean that I would just go to my .223 AR and use that instead. But I would try my 15-22 out first to see how well it takes out zombies, and if the results weren't to my liking right away then I would drop the gun (put it away and keep it as a last resort) and use my AR as the primary zombie killer, along with my pistols in centerfire calibers.

Hey everyone! New to the forums and don't own a 15-22 yet (but I will and it'll be awesome!). I have been doing some research on the lethality of the .22LR.

I have found that even at 300 yards a well placed .22LR will penetrate a 5" beef roast covered in denim. Same with a thawed turkey.

It stands to reason that a .22LR will penetrate zombie skull. After death, zombies are in a constant state of decay. Skin and bone becomes much softer. (Unless radiation has turned them into super zombies) Penetration directly to the brain shouldn't be a problem... unless you have to work on your aim.

I am not against a .223, but they make much more noise. It is widely accepted that zombies can detect movement with their rotting eyes, but it's their hearing that they rely on.

A .223 is much louder than a .22LR, there is no disputing that. The recoil is greater to. So even if the first .22LR shot misses, you can get back on target much quicker. And the weight... 100 rounds of .223 comes in around 3 lbs. a 500 round brick of .22LR is about 4 lbs... Plus .22LR is going to be much easier to find than .223 when scavenging.

During the ZA, I would love to have an armory at my disposal, but too much weight just makes me zombie food. I'm taking (looting) the most common calibers that i can, especially ones that can be used in different weapons. The plan is my 9mm Beretta M-9, a 15-22 and a shotty. Hopefully a Kel-Tec Sub2K will be in there as well since the 9mm mags will be interchangeable (and it folds up nicely).

Of course, the .22LR debate can only really be settled one way... practical application. Let's hope it doesn't come to that!

Welcome! While a .22 would not be my first choice for any defensive situation it has taken more deer than all other rounds combined.

Hi,
I'm not trying to be flippant, but how did you reach this conclusion?

A .22 is not a decent zombie gun, and a 15-22 is not the best choice if you insist on using a .22. It's simply to finicky on reloads to be any good, especially when your large-breasted girlfriend is trying to reload the mag while she's screaming/crying/cowering. If you had any zombie experience at all (or had seen any of the documentaries, AKA Zombieland, XXXX of the Living Dead etc), you'd know that.

Get yourself a real rifle/pistol, and remember:

Rule#1 - The double-tap.

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DPMS AR 15 .223 The ultimate zombie. with a S&W model 29 .44 mag for backup a .22 for zombies? not..... just agrivates them

I'm thinking if you are going to depend on the 15-22, you had better have enough lube for the toy (er, gun) and for your tailpipe. 'Cause you are gonna be in Zombie Love once they get their hands on you.

It plays out like this:30-06 or larger for keeping them at distance. A .308 DPMS for the masses. (I pick the DPMS because S&W does not make a SuperSport15. Maybe they are listening...... And, I pick the DPMS over an Armalite AR10 because you can get reliable magazines for the DPMS all over town. DPMS actually won the war in this respect.) Then, onto an AR15. I suppose my Sport will get it's first real workout. This rifle will be fielded by my backup, and it will serve only to give me time to reload the .308. 3 things matter in a firefight: Massive firepower. Knockdown power. Volume of fire. The last of these is the only tool in the .22LR playbook.
If they get too much closer, it's down to a Mossberg 500 and a S&W 9504.

You can keep that squirrel gun for catching dinner. .22's are deadly at very intimate close range, I do not intend to get that close to any zombie like critter. If I do?? 147gr. Hydro-Shoks will be just a bit more effective than a .22LR ever will be.

Speaking of zombies, this topic just won't die.

Here is the link to the World War Z trailer.

Nothing like the book, but looks pretty good.

World War Z Trailer


enjoy

Didn't I see Milla Jovovich take out a few of them with a .50 AE?

Yankee Hill Zombie Killer!

Yankee Hill Machine Zombie Annihilator-YHM-SOC-150 Primary Arms

What the hell is that?

If it is Book World War Z's then the 15-22 would work. Slower zombies, lots of shooting needed = win. Suppressor, decent accuracy, loads of bullets.

If it is the movie ones, I want a gattling gun and preferably an AC-130.

KBK

That is what 3-gun competition is all about, shooting and reloading on the move. Best practice and training for the ZA I know.

I think the Ford F-150 has taken out more deer than all firearms combined because its always in season.

Here's mine. It's quiet and accurate. Fully loaded with 200 rounds, it still is lighter than a stripped down M4 with a 30 rd mag.

Seems to me that on TV people are always crushing zombie heads with all sorts of stuff. Surely they must have softer, more brittle or weaker skulls for this to be possible so a .22LR might do the trick? 15-22 and a Mossberg pump would probably be the best combination for me due to the fact we cant get the really fun stuff here in the UK.

15-22 is the only firearm I have, so it will have to do. Of course I have all sorts of baseball bats and knives. Damn I need to work on my arsenal

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/...ps07202689.jpg apparently this has a working chainsaw and is available for purchase so that's me sorted and here's one for my lad http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8bff9d32.jpg

I don't know if this would be my primary gun during the zombie apocalypse but it serves a purpose. With a 20rd drum it has a lot of firepower.It is small and handy and recoil is manageable but it is LOUD. 20rds of 00buck is a lot of lead.

Tromix S17

Actually, Rule #1 is: "CARDIO".

Rule #2 is "Double tap"


(At least that's the way it is in the movie!)





WG840

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OMG!! If its going to be like that we would all be doomed!!
However...... I think the .22 would be good enough to do the job....but it might not do a big enough splat for some folks....

Other than that... I'm going to need a bigger boat!!

Proof of 22lr - YouTube

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If they are as fast as the ones in that one part of the WWZ trailer then a .22 will be totally useless. You would not be able to get enough head shots fast enough even on full auto to keep them off you. In fact anything below a Ma Duece or a Mini-gun is going to be marginal. Think fuel/air bombs, napalm, gunships, and tactical nukes.
What you really need to think of is how many rounds of ammo and which firearms would it take me to survive in a hideout before the big honchos could control the problem.
As a competition shooter I tend to keep about 500+ rounds for every centerfire and up to 2K rounds of 22 rounds stored at all times.
But in reality, doomsday preppers aside, that is insufficient as a SHTF supply for any ultimate emergencies. I have a collector friend who has an M60, never fired, and 5k linked rounds. I asked him why the ammo if he was not ever going to fire it. His response was "you never know what might happen". Good advice. I figure every time I hit WM and they have some of the Fed 55g .223 100/$35 in stock I am going to pick up a couple extra that I don't need for 3-gun and stock pile it till I get maybe 2-3k rounds. I have been doing that for CCI Mini-Mags for awhile due to major competition commitments but recently scored one of their 1600 count ammo boxes at 1600/$98. Might just put that aside.
While I don't think .22LR is a viable round for the ZA it is still useful on other lifeforms.
Hope everyone had a happy Thanksgiving.

Well, World War Z finally came out and I went and saw it. Just thought I would update into my own post that started because of this movie.

Other than the title, I knew it had nothing to do with the book. Basically, it is the movie Contagion with fast moving rabies (aka, Zombies).

The 15-22 wouldn't stand a chance against those creatures.......... but then again, neither did more powerful weapons.

P.S. ---- save your money

Word of advice ...

NEVER tell a zombie he looks like death warmed over!

Hahaha!

I never thought of my 15-22 as a zombie gun but the squirrels around here live in fear of it.

Sorry guys. XM214. End of thread..... Go out and get yourself a 6-pack. If you ever really need one, they will be all over the streets.

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If a Zombie horde were to ever take over the world I would just end up shooting myself in the head, so the 15-22 would be completely awkward in that regard. I would probably end up using my M&P 22 to shoot myself and leave all the crazed lunatics who think they could actually defeat the zombie horde my ammo.

ALL HAIL THE ZOMBIE HORDE!

If ammo wasn't an issue I would pick a surpressed P90 and a FN 5.7x28 pistol. The caliber would penetrate a skull everytime, little to no recoil, and you can still carry a ton of it. The P90 takes 50 round mags and the pistol takes 20, so lots of killing between reloads.

Didn't any of y'all read the book?
According to author/Zombie expert Max Brooks the ideal Zombie rifle is the M1 Carbine.
Compact
light weight
low recoil
You can carry lots of ammo
Plenty of power to splatter a Zombie head

Here's my Zombie rifle:

Saw WWZ too. We're screwed. The 15-22 would be useless. Im gonna need more centerfire.

Be a good gun for Zombie ground squirrels but that's
about it. I prefer a little more bang for my buck when
dealing with the living dead.
I'll take a rifle that leaves no doubt when a head shot
is taken. Like an AR-10. When the head completely
explodes there is no doubt it is out of commission.


Chuck

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My ultimate Zombie gun? A 45/70 in an AR platform. LOL.

Hayden.

I saw the movie and I agree with you. Give me a ch47, a bunch of marines to guard the chopper during refuel along with 4 miniguns mounted on the back platform and 40 pallets of ammo at least and we might have a chance! 1522- forget it. You can't go it alone either since you have to reload sometime. I told my son that we did not have enough ammo on hand for this event and I have a decent supply. Those are some really fast moving zombies too.