Faulty gun or faulty ammo?

[Rambo101]

My son has a 15-22 that My wife n I got him for his Christmas gift last year. He enjoys shooting it n we have a lot of fun together. We have had no problems with it at all until last nite. I fired a CCI Shotshell at a rat n it would not eject. (I must mention that I do have to cycle the gun myself has the shotshells don't have enough power to cycle it). I took the gun apart n pried it out with my pocket knife n upon inspection found the cartridge split from one end to the other. Since I have never had this happen before with the shotshells, n we have fired about 25-30 of them, I figured it was just a bad bullet. I put the gun back together n cycled another round, pulled the trigger n when I cycled it again the cartridge came out perfectly. I then fired another one n it jamed again. I took the gun apart, pried the cartriage out n it was split again. I then loaded with CCI 38grain bullets n it fired n feed perfectly, so I went to bed. I decided to try the shotshells again today to see what would happen n......... Every first shot works well but every second shot jams n I have to take the gun apart n pry out the spent cartridge which is split from end to end. Then first shot shoots n ejects when cycled again then second shot jams will not eject n I have to take apart n pry out split cartriage.
I am lost........
Why is every second shot splitting n jamming?
I have tried different batches n different brands of the Shotshell today n all produce same results?

[Jyezahn]

Sounds like it's a Shotshell issue. You aren't having any trouble with CCI 38 grains.

[Smith357]

.22lr shot shells have a hard time cycling many semi-automatic firearms, they just don't have the power.

[wlkjr]

Get a cheap bolt action for the rats.

[Majorlk]

You answered you own question - the shot shells split and the regular ammo had no problems. The moral of the story, don't shoot the shot shells.

Stop doing it before you damage your firearm.

FWIW, they are essentially useless, especially in a rifle, if you are further away from the target than a few INCHES, not feet. At anything over a few inches the pattern is so wide you will be lucky to put two pellets into a rat, even a big one. .22 LR shot shells are the most useless ammo on the market.

[Rambo101]

I don't mind cycling it, I just don't understand why they are splitting n jamming?

[stlr_dude]

I've never used shot shells in mine, probably never will. I would say it's the ammo, not the gun.

[wlkjr]

At 20 feet they won't hardly kill a chipmunk.

[Hobie1]

Perhaps the shotshell doesn't build enough pressure before the shot leaves the cartridge. The cartridge splits because it hasn't expanded fully to the 1'st rounds thermal expansion of the chamber dimensions.

Hobie

[Rambo101]

[QUOTE=Majorlk;136784341] The moral of the story, don't shoot the shot shells.

Stop doing it before you damage your firearm.



This is what I was thinking, just wanted to get some other opinions.
I had asked about using shot shells in my 15-22 before I bought any n was told they wouldn't damage the rifling so I bought some. Think I'm gonna toss them in the garbage before they ruin my sons gun.

[Majorlk]

[QUOTE=Rambo101;136784474]

Originally Posted by Majorlk

The moral of the story, don't shoot the shot shells.

Stop doing it before you damage your firearm.



This is what I was thinking, just wanted to get some other opinions.
I had asked about using shot shells in my 15-22 before I bought any n was told they wouldn't damage the rifling so I bought some. Think I'm gonna toss them in the garbage before they ruin my sons gun.

They won't damage the rifling, the lead in the pellets is far softer that the steel in the barrel. I don't know why the cases are splitting but that's more than enough reason not to shoot them. FWIW, don't pick at cartridges with a knife blade. The better way to remove them is to use a cleaning rod inserted into the muzzle. Even better is a two-foot length of plastic or fiberglass rod.

I hope this helps. I know problems can get frustrating.

[Jyezahn]

Originally Posted by Rambo101

Think I'm gonna toss them in the garbage before they ruin my sons gun.

Responsibly dispose of them if you aren't going to fire them. Please don't just toss them into the garbage!!!

[Juvicator]

I would contact CCI and send pic of the defective shell. You may have a bad batch.

[Rambo101]

[QUOTE=Majorlk;136784535]

Originally Posted by Rambo101

They won't damage the rifling, the lead in the pellets is far softer that the steel in the barrel. I don't know why the cases are splitting but that's more than enough reason not to shoot them. FWIW, don't pick at cartridges with a knife blade. The better way to remove them is to use a cleaning rod inserted into the muzzle. Even better is a two-foot length of plastic or fiberglass rod.

I hope this helps. I know problems can get frustrating.

Yes it does n yes they do
Thank you for your help Majorlk
God bless!
Tim

[Rambo101]

Originally Posted by Jyezahn

Responsibly dispose of them if you aren't going to fire them. Please don't just toss them into the garbage!!!

Of course :-)

[Rambo101]

Originally Posted by Juvicator

I would contact CCI and send pic of the defective shell. You may have a bad batch.

It happened with the CCI with the plastic end caps n with the Winchester with the crimped ends

[Gunzilla]

I would say that if you need 'shot' ammo for shooting a rat then you most likely need more target practice. .....

Seriously though....You should be able to hit a rat at 30 yards (plus or minus 10 yards) with standard HV .22 LR ammo.....with a decent zero'd optic maybe out to 50 yards with a little more practice.

[Rambo101]

Originally Posted by Gunzilla

I would say that if you need 'shot' ammo for shooting a rat then you most likely need more target practice. .....

Seriously though....You should be able to hit a rat at 30 yards (plus or minus 10 yards) with standard HV .22 LR ammo.....with a decent zero'd optic maybe out to 50 yards with a little more practice.

I can hit them just about every time with standard .22lr ammo. They are normally only 10+- yards away. N not saying I'm the "best shot" or bragging on myself, I'm sure there r alot of people that can shoot better than me
My 12 year old son is in the process of learning to shoot. He does really well on paper, surprised me to tell the truth. He couldn't hit a rat, since they never keep still for long, n this was bothering his confidence. So I decided to get some shot shells for him to use to try n build his confidence.
Results......... First shot........ First kill!
He was SO excited! "First time I killed something all by myself!!" he said. I have helped him with previous kills by helping to hold my shot gun n brace him against me for the recoil but this was truly his first kill doing everything by himself. I love this 15-22! It has been a real confidence booster for him. I just can't wait to see the look on his face when he gets his first deer or hog

[DelFuego]

Originally Posted by Rambo101

My son has a 15-22 that My wife n I got him for his Christmas gift last year. He enjoys shooting it n we have a lot of fun together. We have had no problems with it at all until last nite. I fired a CCI Shotshell at a rat n it would not eject. (I must mention that I do have to cycle the gun myself has the shotshells don't have enough power to cycle it). I took the gun apart n pried it out with my pocket knife n upon inspection found the cartridge split from one end to the other. Since I have never had this happen before with the shotshells, n we have fired about 25-30 of them, I figured it was just a bad bullet. I put the gun back together n cycled another round, pulled the trigger n when I cycled it again the cartridge came out perfectly. I then fired another one n it jamed again. I took the gun apart, pried the cartriage out n it was split again. I then loaded with CCI 38grain bullets n it fired n feed perfectly, so I went to bed. I decided to try the shotshells again today to see what would happen n......... Every first shot works well but every second shot jams n I have to take the gun apart n pry out the spent cartridge which is split from end to end. Then first shot shoots n ejects when cycled again then second shot jams will not eject n I have to take apart n pry out split cartriage.
I am lost........
Why is every second shot splitting n jamming?
I have tried different batches n different brands of the Shotshell today n all produce same results?

I thought that this ammo can't cycle our guns and that it was meant for bolt action guns.

[Rambo101]

Originally Posted by DelFuego

I thought that this ammo can't cycle our guns and that it was meant for bolt action guns.

You r right, it will not cycle in autos but people do use it. U just have to cycle the gun yourself with the charging handle after every shot.
But FWIW..... learn for my experience n don't use it

[buzzkillbob]

I'm new to shooting, and maybe I trust the manufacture too much,but right out of the owner's manual:

Originally Posted by Smith & Wesson

Based on the design and action of the M&P15-22, Smith & Wesson recommends that you use the following brands and types of .22LR ammunition for optimal performance in your M&P15-22 rifle:

• CCI Standard Velocity
• CCI Mini-Mag
• Federal American Eagle
• Federal GameShock
• Aguila Super Extra Std. Velocity
• Aguila Super Extra High Velocity
• Winchester Super-X High Velocity

Am I stupid to believe them? Does it really matter?!? I just plink so I don't know if I need to worry about what I use.

EDIT: On a side note, I just realized I picked up some ammo that wasn't on the list. I guess we'll see how it shoots...

[arjay]

I would go with their list.They don't benefit by steering you wrong.

[wlkjr]

So far I've only shot 150 rounds of 3 different brands of ammo over 30 years old. No failures of any kind. Went bang every time. Can't ask more than that.